Kyron's case on Dr. Phil 9/17 *includes tape of the show*

[believe09]

KH says that his property has been searched more than the school.

DY says that TH asked her if she would take custody of Kyron.

Very consistent with TH's behavior to date, imo. It must kill DY to think that if this had happened, Kyron would not be missing.

 

[believe09]

I think it is abundantly clear to me that TH is driving the bus regarding her own actions. I agree with ami completely-any smear campaign is being spear headed by herself.

 

[Eileen730]

Funny since day one I never thought TH did this!
I still don't!

I might be totally wrong.

If she did it she wont get charged only because that school left its doors wide open for anyone and everyone to just walk in. They have no record of who entered or exited that day or what times... shame on them!
Anyone could have walked out of that school with him!
JMO

I just hope and pray they get the ONE that did do this not who they THINK did.

Sadly all you have to do Is stay silent and u can get away with murder!

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I'm glad you brought this up. Terri herself is driving this narrative. The evidence that people are discussing here is based on Terri, her movements and her own words.

The smearing of her reputation has come from Terri. The lies she told - recorded in her own words, in her own email and text messages that are publicly available for all to read. This isn't innuendo. This is Terri getting revealed to have used her own baby as a lie-shield to go try to have sex with a man while searchers were out in the woods looking for her stepson. This is Terri giving up her baby, so she wouldn't have to contribute to the investigation. This is Terri buying secret phones and throwing them out during a kidnap investigation.

So yeah - it's a smear campaign, but it's Terri herself who smeared her own reputation with her lies and complete lack of concern for her missing stepson, followed by her complete lack of concern for her baby. Public sentiment was shaped by her own words and actions. People do tend to be rather unforgiving of people who show themselves to be of that character.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

 

[SurfieTX]

BBM- That is very interesting. So why did TH watch him walk down the hallway if he was already in his classroom?


Also- enough court documents and LE comments have stated TH is at the very least a person of interest. They specifically asked for people to come forward about her movements that day. Nothing of the sort has been stated about Kaine. He is a victim and to suggest not letting private search parties access to his property that has been searched time and time again by LE is suspicious is probably getting pretty close to breaking rules.

IIRC, Terri and Kyron went to his room and dropped off/set up his frog exhibit (that's where she took the picture). After that, they went and toured the rest of the school's science fair exhibits which included the gym. Supposedly, there was an older student who saw Terri with Kyron and little K. Then, supposedly Terri walked back up the stairs with Kyron and watched him walk down the hall toward his classroom.

 

[keyleigh]

IIRC, Terri and Kyron went to his room and dropped off/set up his frog exhibit (that's where she took the picture). After that, they went and toured the rest of the school's science fair exhibits which included the gym. Supposedly, there was an older student who saw Terri with Kyron and little K. Then, supposedly Terri walked back up the stairs with Kyron and watched him walk down the hall toward his classroom.

Thanks. I never realised the set up was in his classroom. So, she went to his classroom, set up, walked around with him but then didn't take him back to his classroom.

 

[SurfieTX]

Thanks. I never realised the set up was in his classroom. So, she went to his classroom, set up, walked around with him but then didn't take him back to his classroom.

That's correct. I believe the younger students had their projects in their rooms while the older students had theirs set up in the gym. It was a very busy day there, lots of parents, teachers and students walking around.

 

[ami]

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

If your point was that suspicion of Terri is based on evidence, rather than rumor, then you are absolutely right and that point should be emphasized.

 

[Kimster]

Discuss the case without accusations that Kaine was involved in Kyron's disappearance. Can you say "I think Kaine is wrong for not allowing searches"? Yes. Can you add "and so obviously he's hiding Kyron"? NO. And if you say he's hiding "something" - that can also be problematic. Just make your statement that you think it's wrong not to allow searching and you're fine.

TH has had POI status on Websleuths since a couple of months after Kyron went missing. That hasn't changed. We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. If you want to say you don't think she did it and has been treated fairly, that's fine. Just be respectful.

Now, back to discussing the show!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am watching this this morning but may need to watch it twice to decide how I feel about it.


I believe that TH was a loose Cannon. She tried to hire a hitman to kill Kaine? But she is not in jail for that? I don't understand why she was not charged with that?
It seems that LE is dropping the ball here.

from 10:10 to 11:39 am TH says she drove around to calm her dd but does not remember what roads.
Her story is that she saw Kyron last from staircase in a hall full of people and then he disappeared from there.

I am completely flabbergasted over this.

I don't have any bad feelings about KH. I think he was naive and maybe a little oblivious to what was going on and what he should have been doing, But I see a lot of guilt in him for that.
I see Desiree broken and trying to piece this all together and angry at KH for many things. Including an affair from 7 years ago.

Kaine is willing to have his property searched over and over by LE and SAR crews. Just not private searchers and I understand that.

Still watching.

 

[Mollyandme]

If your point was that suspicion of Terri is based on evidence, rather than rumor, then you are absolutely right and that point should be emphasized.

according to the lawyer on the Dr. Phil show yesterday, there is no direct evidence pointing towards TMH. I believe he said it actually points away from her. although i tend to agree, I was still suprised that he said he actually came out and said that in the face of everything DY and KH were discussing all show long. I felt Dr. Phil should have warned DY that this lawyer was going to say something like that and the look on her face tore my heart out. I thought she handled her response incredibly well though. She also looked beautiful fwiw.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think he is correct. He was basing his opinion on the show information. NOt all the evidence that LE may have. Only a snippet of TV info.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

If your point was that suspicion of Terri is based on evidence, rather than rumor, then you are absolutely right and that point should be emphasized.

I'm not sure you understand what evidence means in a criminal investigation or in a courtroom. If there were evidence, any evidence, we would have had an arrest by now. We don't after 3 years.

I was in agreement with your views on Terri initially. As time has passed and I read more about the case, the less likely I believe her to be involved.

 

[ami]

according to the lawyer on the Dr. Phil show yesterday, there is no direct evidence pointing towards TMH. I believe he said it actually points away from her. although i tend to agree, I was still suprised that he said he actually came out and said that in the face of everything DY and KH were discussing all show long. I felt Dr. Phil should have warned DY that this lawyer was going to say something like that and the look on her face tore my heart out. I thought she handled her response incredibly well though. She also looked beautiful fwiw.

That's true, that "direct evidence" - as in DNA, a body found with someone's hair on it, an eye witness who saw her kidnap him - is lacking, which is why LE hasn't been able to arrest her yet. That's no surprise.

But what there IS is evidence that has created suspicion of Terri. Direct evidence that she was not a loving mother, was not a willing caregiver of Kyron, was not an honest person, was willing to use her baby as an alibi for doing something she was not supposed to be doing.

So while I agree that there isn't direct evidence released yet that she murdered or sold Kyron, there is a ton of evidence that she had motive and the personality traits to give away her children without remorse. Which is a very strong indicator (to me) that she was capable of giving away or getting rid of the third child. And the evidence that shows that part of her personality is very strong.

 

[ami]

I'm not sure you understand what evidence means in a criminal investigation or in a courtroom. If there were evidence, any evidence, we would have had an arrest by now. We don't after 3 years.

I was in agreement with your views on Terri initially. As time has passed and I read more about the case, the less likely I believe her to be involved.

What I said is that people's suspicion of Terri is based on evidence, rather than based on innuendo. The evidence that a person needs to feel that someone is capable of getting rid of one of their children is present. And I was responding to your opinion that there was a smear campaign. And I pretty plainly stated that the "smearing" that happened was through the direct evidence Terri has given us in her own words of her own personality type.

I certainly wasn't talking about "evidence in the courtroom" as obviously LE is still searching for that evidence against Terri in order to arrest her, as been stated here ad nauseum.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I don't think he is correct. He was basing his opinion on the show information. NOt all the evidence that LE may have. Only a snippet of TV info.

Incorrect. He has studied the case in detail. He was not simply winging it when he stated quite declaratively that evidence points away from Terri. That was no mistake. I expect, however, that anything outside of the predetermined opinion that Terri did it will be summarily dismissed by the crowd here.

 

[Donjeta]

I couldn't watch Dr. Phil but if the lawyer said there is no 'direct evidence' it basically means that there are no eye witnesses who saw Terri abduct Kyron. Direct evidence means evidence that supports someone's guilt without having to make any inferences. DNA, ballistics, cell phone pings, most of that other stuff is circumstantial.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_evidence"]Direct evidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Incidentally, many cases are tried on circumstantial evidence without eye witnesses who saw everything.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Incorrect. He has studied the case in detail. He was not simply winging it when he stated quite declaratively that evidence points away from Terri. That was no mistake. I expect, however, that anything outside of the predetermined opinion that Terri did it will be summarily dismissed by the crowd here.

I just listened and he said.. " From what I see here,"

Not that he had more knowledge than we were getting. I will go back and watch it again.

There is nothing that points away from TH. There may not be evidence that definitively links her, But being the last one to see the child, Lying about the last time you saw them and then not having an accounting for over an hour, Is not saying you did not do it.

I am all for following evidence but it looks like she had something to do with this crime. She had opportunity, motive and no alibi for the time he went missing.

 

[mmmagique]

Incorrect. He has studied the case in detail. He was not simply winging it when he stated quite declaratively that evidence points away from Terri. That was no mistake. I expect, however, that anything outside of the predetermined opinion that Terri did it will be summarily dismissed by the crowd here.

I had a tutor talking loudly in my home at the time, so I may have missed this. Is there some sort of proof that he has "studied the case in detail"?

(Then we'll have to come to an agreement as to what "detail" means, because most of the long timers here, both for and against TH's guilt/innocence, can recite the facts of the case better than most reporters, and almost all television speculators, attorney or not.)

 

[Donjeta]

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I suppose we are free to disbelieve Desiree's interpretation of the matter if we want to think that she's organized a smear campaign against Terri just for the heck of it but if not, some may have difficulty reconciling loving motherhood with extreme hatred for a child in your care and talking about hurting him.

Kyron&#8217;s biological mother, Desiree Young, said investigators shared e-mails with her that Terri sent friends. She said in them Terri talked about hurting Kyron. Desiree said she now believes Terri is capable of doing so.

&#8220;Extreme hatred for Kyron, and she talked about hurting him and things that you just don&#8217;t talk about with children,&#8221; she told KATU News Monday evening by phone. &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand how you can feel that way about a 7 year old.&#8221;

http://www.katu.com/news/local/108352154.html