kyron's vanishing is termed by Le, an "isolated case" ~~revisited

[LaceSprocket]

Good topic. I've had a bone to pick with LE over this for awhile.

LE has called this an isolated incident.

Yet Chief Staton also said "everyone" is a suspect.

That makes so sense. I know - I'm splitting hairs, but really... LE can't say it's an "isolated" incident if "everyone" is a suspect. And since they. :banghead: still :banghead: have :banghead: not :banghead: arrested :banghead: anyone yet... I'd say there's still a grave danger to worry about.

IMO, they're calling it "isolated" because they know/suspect who did it.
IMO, they say "everyone" is a suspect to cover their asses.

Meanwhile, Portland parents and the rest of world shiver in fear wondering if OUR children could be abducted from their schools.

I agree - if they don't arrest someone before the Skyline school year starts, LE is going to hear a lot of noise about this.

 

[Donjeta]

I think it is isolated because they have reason to suspect someone who had a motive to have Kyron disappear, not just any other child out there.

I don't think that the probability of having children abducted from school was greatly changed even if it was a stranger because there is so far no indication that this was a serial killer (that I know of). Regardless of who took Kyron there is always a chance that strangers abduct our children in Portland and elsewhere and one victim more or less doesn't change that probability very much IMO. It might be a little less likely to happen at schools this year because people still remember Kyron and they may be a little more diligent with the security measures.

 

[desquire]

The Sheriff's Office has not used any full-time professional media spokesperson in this case, it's just been a rotating senior deputy. Could it just possibly be that "isolated incident" was a throw-away comment by the spokescop du jour and it doesn't really have any intentional significance at all. It was said because it sounded like something police say in these situations when they want to sound reassuring and in control and, heck, we've never had a kid snatched from school in this area before, so it's technically true.

 

[carbuff]

Isolated case doesn't mean a thing. Everything is an isolated case to LE until they have it proven to them that there's a relationship. In a small city near here, there was somebody preying on streetwalkers; the cops were still saying "isolated incident! isolated incident!" after they found two bodies dumped in the exact same place 18 months apart...and after the prostitutes had stopped servicing one of their most lucrative corners because it was too dangerous. They'll tell you there are still at least six or eight women missing, but LE won't take a missing person report. The four recovered bodies are listed on a serial killer cold case list, but if you ask LE here, they'll tell you "isolated incident!"

 

[Bipolar Express]

Isolated incident is code for: We dont need widespread panic.

OR

We have reason to believe he was targeted specifically by someone he knew....

 

[revampz]

In this particular situation, "isolated case" means (to me) that LE had sufficient information early on regarding the family to believe that Kyron's disappearance was the result of a sensitive issue, i.e. custody, and involved only a select group of individuals. There seem to be a lot of "secrets" among the family members in this case and so much that we've not been privy to at this juncture. When some of the "mystery" is unraveled, we will be better able to understand exactly what is going on here. jmo

My thoughts exactly.....there is something else in this case that had the LE straight away suspecting TH.........I know we are not to discuss rumors but there have been the same rumors repeated over in the news article comments.........I think they thought he was taken for custody/kidnapping by someone he knew...

 

[cluciano63]

What shocked me was when on the June 24 appearance, Desiree said she was starting to get really worried, she thought he would be back by now. 3 weeks in and she said "starting to worry" ?

That made me think family dispute/custodial and she still words it in a way, by saying he is "stashed" that sounds more like a bitter custodial thing than a criminal kidnapping. But who would benefit by anyone "stashing" Kyron?

Also, the family dynamics could have led LE to determine early on that this was probably an isolated event, if Desiree expressed her suspicions about Terri that first weekend.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Yes, they said they believed it was an isolated case, but also said they couldn't rule out a stranger.

IOW, they have no freakin' clue. They don't want public panic.

And even in stranger abductions, when was the last time you heard of one where a child was kidnapped and then that suspect kidnapped another child in proximity (of time and place)?

So to me, an "isolated incident" only means that they don't think a spree killer is on the loose grabbing kids from public places.

ita....here is a quote from gates. they are covering all their bases.

"I can't say for certainty that it wasn't stranger to stranger. I can't," Gates said. "But I also can tell you that the need for the public to be alarmed is very low."

LE (Captain Gates), Press Conference friday June 18 2010

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=96685544&sec=547977 @-1.30

 

[liz b.]

The Sheriff's Office has not used any full-time professional media spokesperson in this case, it's just been a rotating senior deputy. Could it just possibly be that "isolated incident" was a throw-away comment by the spokescop du jour and it doesn't really have any intentional significance at all. It was said because it sounded like something police say in these situations when they want to sound reassuring and in control and, heck, we've never had a kid snatched from school in this area before, so it's technically true.

" heck, we've never had a kid snatched from school in this area before. " Actually, a little girl was snatched from a Portland area school. 32 years ago. she was lured by a stranger. It was discussed on Kyron's forum....

All JMO

 

[KeyboardCat]

When the police said "isolated case" to me it meant a few things:

1. that there was not a predator on the loose.
2. that there was no reason for this community, or others nearby to take any other
safety precautions.
3. Kyron's disappearance related only to his particular circumstance, that could not
affect other children.
4. no other children are in danger.


Now how LE knew all this absolutely so soon, is beyond me... and I will say that if another child, who is even sort of near this community, simply vanishes... then LE will have a lot of explaining to do. If parents in this area, and surrounding it, feel that they need not take extra precautions, but yet another child goes missing.... that would be very, very, very bad. And LE would then have to explain exactly how they were able to make such a statement that actually put others in more harm.

 

[PDXMom]

BBM

Given that Terri's husband didn't suspect that Terri posed a danger to Kyron, I can't see how Skyline school was suppose to know.

Portland Public Schools runs a background check on all volunteers.

I suppose that schools could ban all volunteers, but given that this is the only case I have heard of in which someone who volunteers might have been responsible for the disappearance of a child (her stepson) from a school, I think that would be a foolish policy.

I know this has been discussed many times before, but I'm not confident they actually ran a criminal background check on TH. If they had, they'd have seen the child endangerment conviction from 2005. Do you still think they'd OK her to volunteer?

 

[BeanE]

I know this has been discussed many times before, but I'm not confident they actually ran a criminal background check on TH. If they had, they'd have seen the child endangerment conviction from 2005. Do you still think they'd OK her to volunteer?

When I was looking the other day for statements by Skyline school officials there were a few articles that stated that Skyline didn't run background checks on all volunteers.

Here's one article:

A spokesman for Portland Public Schools also said every employee and some volunteers must pass a criminal background check that includes being fingerprinted before they're allowed to be with students.

http://www.kptv.com/news/23829461/detail.html

 

[carbuff]

I know this has been discussed many times before, but I'm not confident they actually ran a criminal background check on TH. If they had, they'd have seen the child endangerment conviction from 2005. Do you still think they'd OK her to volunteer?

In our district, she'd be okay for in-school volunteering but not on driving a kid anywhere. Though it might have aged out after 5 years.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

What shocked me was when on the June 24 appearance, Desiree said she was starting to get really worried, she thought he would be back by now. 3 weeks in and she said "starting to worry" ?

That made me think family dispute/custodial and she still words it in a way, by saying he is "stashed" that sounds more like a bitter custodial thing than a criminal kidnapping. But who would benefit by anyone "stashing" Kyron?

Also, the family dynamics could have led LE to determine early on that this was probably an isolated event, if Desiree expressed her suspicions about Terri that first weekend.

In addition to Desiree's comment about thinking that "Kyron would be back by now", I keep remembering the strange statement that Kaine made during those same June interviews: "When Kyron comes home, we can put all of this behind us." Totally baffling, to say the least, and I can't help wondering what is really going on here? jmo

 

[cluciano63]

In addition to Desiree's comment about thinking that "Kyron would be back by now", I keep remembering the strange statement that Kaine made during those same June interviews: "When Kyron comes home, we can put all of this behind us." Totally baffling, to say the least, and I can't help wondering what is really going on here? jmo

I'd forgotten that part...very strange. They almost acted as though they expected something to happen but not sure what, and that it would not be of such long-lasting impact, whatever it was.

 

[carbuff]

I'd forgotten that part...very strange. They almost acted as though they expected something to happen but not sure what, and that it would not be of such long-lasting impact, whatever it was.

Yeah, and then whatever they expected to happen, didn't happen.