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The article literally labels him a 'former army national guardsman' in the first sentence. The word army is right there. I didn't invent it. The word army is littered throughout the article, including a direct quote from an Army official about his service.

MOO
The National guard is part of the Army, but it is a bit different than someone serving in the Army. Maybe you know this, so I mean no offense, but in case you do not know, I'll share. When someone says Army most think active-duty service in the Army where the person's full-time job every day is being in the Army. The Army national guard is different in that someone usually has a different job they do and then one weekend a month they go away to train for the 2-3 days and then 2 weeks in the summer they go to annual training. They can be activated and sent overseas or even stateside, but typically someone in the National Guard is just serving a weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer.
 
  • #42
The Associated Press reported that Elkins and his wife were in the middle of a separation and had been arguing about it before the shooting, according to Crystal Brown, a cousin of one of the wounded women. Brown told the AP that Elkins shared four children with his wife and three with another woman who lived close by, and Brown added that Elkins and his wife were due in court Monday…


Troy Brown said he and his wife and their two children lived in a house on 79th Street with Elkins, his wife and their four children...
One of Troy Brown’s children, a 10-year-old boy was killed as well.
“I wasn’t aware he had a gun,” Brown said of Elkins. “If I would’ve known a gun was inside the home, I would have got rid of it.”

This is horrible. I wonder if Troy Brown is the brother -in-law. I also wonder how long the two families had been living together.

I hope these families can lean on each other as well as receive mental health support.
 
  • #43
The National guard is part of the Army, but it is a bit different than someone serving in the Army. Maybe you know this, so I mean no offense, but in case you do not know, I'll share. When someone says Army most think active-duty service in the Army where the person's full-time job every day is being in the Army. The Army national guard is different in that someone usually has a different job they do and then one weekend a month they go away to train for the 2-3 days and then 2 weeks in the summer they go to annual training. They can be activated and sent overseas or even stateside, but typically someone in the National Guard is just serving a weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer.
i had two friends in the guard who served overseas for a year in kuwait. i actually didn’t know that was a thing for NG myself until it happened. just my two cents
 
  • #44
Authorities identified the shooter as 31-year-old Shamar Elkins. The U.S. Army told CBS News that Elkins pleaded guilty to a weapons charge in 2019 and served in the Louisiana National Guard from 2013 to 2020 as a signal support system specialist and fire support specialist.

The Caddo Parish Coroner’s Office said the victims were five girls and three boys, ranging in age from 3 to 11: Jayla Elkins, 3; Shayla Elkins, 5; Kayla Pugh, 6; Layla Pugh, 7; Markaydon Pugh, 10; Sariahh Snow, 11; Khedarrion Snow, 6; and Braylon Snow, 5. Seven were siblings, and one was Elkins’ nephew.
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In March 2019, KTBS reported that Elkins was arrested on charges of illegal use of a weapon and carrying a firearm on school property. A police report said he fired five rounds at a car about 300 feet from a Shreveport high school as it sped away.

He later pleaded guilty to the illegal weapons charge and was placed on 18 months’ probation; the firearm charge was dismissed.
Who is Shamar Elkins? Louisiana father accused of killing 8 children
 
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Just weeks ago, on Easter Sunday, Elkins called his mother, Mahelia Elkins, and his stepfather, Marcus Jackson, and chillingly told them he was drowning in “dark thoughts,” wanted to end his life, and that his wife, Shaneiqua Pugh, wanted a divorce, the New York Times reported.

“I told him, ‘You can beat stuff, man. I don’t care what you’re going through, you can beat it,’” Jackson told the publication. “Then I remember him telling me: ‘Some people don’t come back from their demons.’”
Louisiana shooter Shamar Elkins made chilling remarks about ‘demons’ weeks before killing his 7 kids and their cousin

oh wow, He and his future ex wife were due in court today. Triggered him to annihilate his entire family.

what a selfish cruel heartless act.
 
  • #47
The National guard is part of the Army, but it is a bit different than someone serving in the Army. Maybe you know this, so I mean no offense, but in case you do not know, I'll share. When someone says Army most think active-duty service in the Army where the person's full-time job every day is being in the Army. The Army national guard is different in that someone usually has a different job they do and then one weekend a month they go away to train for the 2-3 days and then 2 weeks in the summer they go to annual training. They can be activated and sent overseas or even stateside, but typically someone in the National Guard is just serving a weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer.
So, even less of a reason to point fingers at the military as having responsibility for this.

I mean, yes, veterans get used up and spat out and zero support, but this guy is not some traumatised Iraq vet who desperately tried to get services. He's a mean and nasty DV injustice collector who thought his best course of action was to shoot a whole bunch of his kids in the face, including toddlers and a kid that wasn't even his own kid.

No mitigation for that garbage.

MOO
 
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MOO Elkins has had impulse control and anger issues since at least 2019.
 
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So, even less of a reason to point fingers at the military as having responsibility for this.

I mean, yes, veterans get used up and spat out and zero support, but this guy is not some traumatised Iraq vet who desperately tried to get services. He's a mean and nasty DV injustice collector who thought his best course of action was to shoot a whole bunch of his kids in the face, including infants and toddlers and a kid that wasn't even his own kid.

No mitigation for that garbage.

MOO
I 100% agree. My family is heavy in military service. My spouse, kids, sister and brother in law, my dad, grandparents, uncles... things have came a long way and there IS help out there and it IS accessible. There are also many people joining the military that I feel have no busienss being in the miliarty. If you are an anxious and stressed out person already, joining the military is NOT going to be ideal because you have to have some level of mental resillence to adapt and "go with the flow". I just think it's an easy excuse for many when they make really poor life decisions or get into situations that often they create themselves and then they blame the military for it.

Also, with all the help that is available now to active duty, they still have to be willing to seek it out and do the work. It is work to get better and often it's easier to conintue to drink, avoid, and blame. This is true for anyone, but even more so with the military. There is this idea that the military doesn't care and there is no mental health help and that is just not true.

Sorry, this is a bit of a soap box for me because I see it firsthand and it's frustrating to keep seeing people repeat that the Army doesn't care or there is no help. There is SO much help and yes there are crappy organizations within the Army that might make things more difficult for some, the help is still there for anyone at any time and all they have to do is ask, take the steps, and then be a willing participant. So many just check a box and say that didn't work, but they don't do anything to help make it work.

Back during the height of our time in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'd say help was harder to come by, but now it's just not. We have people who bring their childhood trauma into the military and then blame the military. Sometimes people are just broken and unwell before they join and the Army is not a fixer of people's problems, it's hard and it makes problems worse sometimes. So sometimes people are just not good humans, and I think this person is just that, not a good person. He is a family annihilator, and the military didn't create that. I'll add IMO because this isn't something I can say is a fact, but anyone that could do what he did had some serious issues beyond serving a few years in the national guard caused it.
 
  • #51
This is just so sad. What an evil person.

My thoughts are with that poor surviving child i can’t begin to imagine the pain they’ll go through being the only survivor of the siblings.
 
  • #52
This is just so sad. What an evil person.

My thoughts are with that poor surviving child i can’t begin to imagine the pain they’ll go through being the only survivor of the siblings.
My assumption is that the surviving child is the nephew of the killer. The father of the nephew that was killed had two kids in the home, only one died, so I'm assuming his other child was the one that escaped on the roof.
 
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i had two friends in the guard who served overseas for a year in kuwait. i actually didn’t know that was a thing for NG myself until it happened. just my two cents
But this guy never deployed and never advanced in rank. So essentially, he went to basic training and that was about it. His "service" had nothing to do with this horror. I don't think any veteran's group is going to stand up for him.
 
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But this guy never deployed and never advanced in rank. So essentially, he went to basic training and that was about it. His "service" had nothing to do with this horror. I don't think any veteran's group is going to stand up for him.
yeah i didn’t say he did. just giving personal anecdote on national guard and deployment.
 
  • #56
For a while in the 00s, the military was pretty much taking anyone who could fog a mirror. I did hear about someone who was rejected at that time, and yeah, he had no business being in the military.
 
  • #57
The National guard is part of the Army, but it is a bit different than someone serving in the Army. Maybe you know this, so I mean no offense, but in case you do not know, I'll share. When someone says Army most think active-duty service in the Army where the person's full-time job every day is being in the Army. The Army national guard is different in that someone usually has a different job they do and then one weekend a month they go away to train for the 2-3 days and then 2 weeks in the summer they go to annual training. They can be activated and sent overseas or even stateside, but typically someone in the National Guard is just serving a weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer.
Jumping off here to help anyone who wants to know why they said "Army" National Guard. There is also an "Air Force" National Guard. Difference between ground and air.
 
  • #58
Shamar Elkins shot his wife, another woman and eight children at two separate homes in the area, according to police.

Just before 6 a.m., Shreveport police received a call from someone on the roof of a house on West 79th Street, who said a suspect inside had just shot someone, Shreveport Police Chief Wayne Smith said at a news conference Monday.

A few minutes later, another call came in informing police the suspect was a family member of the caller, and dispatch was told nine people lived at the home, Smith said.
“The caller further stated that the suspect, identified as Shamar Elkins, had shot everyone inside the home at 6 a.m.

One minute later, the caller advised that she and her children had fled from the roof and were now in the backyard; 6:01 a.m. officers arrived on the scene,” Smith said.


Minutes later, police received a call about another shooting on Harrison Street. A woman said her boyfriend had shot her, taken her three children and fled the scene, Smith said. The caller identified the suspect as Elkins, and by 6:10 a.m., authorities realized the shootings were connected, the chief said.
Around 6:15 a.m., Elkins, armed with a firearm, carjacked a vehicle — which police believed at the time may have had children inside — and led authorities on a chase into Bossier Parish, police said.


At 6:29 a.m., officers shot Elkins, who was pronounced dead at the scene at 7:03 a.m., Smith said.

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The article also names his wife. Her name is Shaniqua (Pugh) Elkins. Her sister and her sisters husband were both living in the home along with their two kids. The sister and her 12 year old daughter managed to escape to the roof. Unfortunately her youngest child didn't make it out alive.

Family have publicly identified the other woman shot as Christine Snow. She was the mother of 3 of the children. She is expected to survive and is aware of the loss of her children.




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Sariahh, Khedarrion and Braylon
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