LA - Bella Fontenelle, 6, crammed into bucket left on bio mom's lawn, Hannah Landon, 43, arrested, Harahan, 26 Apr 2023

[10ofRods]

Good post. Even if my friend groups there’s so much hostility, rude texts, etc… it’s a lot. Is it jealousy or what?

For some reason (maybe it's a good thing in the long run?) people are letting it all hang out. Maybe people have felt hostile in the past, but experienced enough censure that they tried to contain it? We have a large number of people working in non-traditional jobs (or not working at all, in one way or another) so no constraints from the workplace for many.

People have very different attitudes about sex, than in the past, as well. The term "stepmom" is applied to dad's girlfriend (and not just in this case, but rather frequently in various news sources). In this case, I believe the girlfriend was extremely jealous/hostile toward the mom (who lived just around the corner; the two parents had chosen to both remain active in their daughters' lives).

(I don't really believe it's a good thing; the entire role of human culture is being jettisoned when we leave off having to apologize when we are rude and do not strive to stop being rude). Rudeness is one step away from physical altercations, in my book (have seen it many times).

IMO.

 

[Chelly]

Consider:
The breakdown of the family unit
The disregard for civility in our society
Relaxation of morals and values
How many decades did it take us to get to this stage? Not many.

 

[Traymar]

I think people lash out when they feel threatened. It doesn't have to be a physical threat, it can be the fear of losing a partner, of losing influence with a partner or a group, or just of losing face. But it does seem like there is less "checking" of oneself these days when we do feel angry or wronged. It's actually extraordinarily disheartening and sad. MOO

 

[Stunned]

Seems more like flat out rage to me.

 

[Soulmagent]

Good post. Even if my friend groups there’s so much hostility, rude texts, etc… it’s a lot. Is it jealousy or what?

Imo I think it is over focus on peoples feelings.
Feeling are how a person feels ..these are not FACTS..
feelings are fluid and often the person having them does not even fully understand them . However Feeling are moving into being as respected as fact . It can feel like 30 degrees and be 27 .
You cannot disregard feelings ,as that is horrible to do and shows your lack a thing. However Not all peoples feeling need to be legislature .

 

[10ofRods]

Consider:
The breakdown of the family unit
The disregard for civility in our society
Relaxation of morals and values
How many decades did it take us to get to this stage? Not many.

Took thousands of years to get to the pinnacle (civilization allowed hundreds of millions - and then billions - to be born and exist on this planet).

It's always like this - far easier to destabilize a culture, a world, than to stabilize it. And courtesy, manners, etiquette (broadly meant) are crucial to a civil society. Cultures vary according to their own rules, but the rules are remarkably similar from place to place.

I tie it all to the collapse of the global ecosystem and economy (predicted since the 1950's).

What's really odd to me, as an anthropologist, is that even the nuclear family (the "atom of kinship") is under a lot of stress.

Part of it is "too many people" and "anonymity" as well.

IMO.

 

[Gemmie]

Took thousands of years to get to the pinnacle (civilization allowed hundreds of millions - and then billions - to be born and exist on this planet).

It's always like this - far easier to destabilize a culture, a world, than to stabilize it. And courtesy, manners, etiquette (broadly meant) are crucial to a civil society. Cultures vary according to their own rules, but the rules are remarkably similar from place to place.

I tie it all to the collapse of the global ecosystem and economy (predicted since the 1950's).

What's really odd to me, as an anthropologist, is that even the nuclear family (the "atom of kinship") is under a lot of stress.

Part of it is "too many people" and "anonymity" as well.

IMO.

BBMFF

AMEN! If I had a dollar for every time I've said "Too many people" in regards to this or that (it's one of the main root causes of so many of our problems IMO (that and SM)) I'd be SUPER rich! However, I'd prefer to be poor, meaning... I'd prefer never feeling the need to utter those words.

 

[Orange Cat]

Oh my word.....the crime is so absolutely heinous, when I read it was the GF of the bio-dad who did this, my first thought was that something exceptionally terrible & earth-shattering must have happened to cause her to suddenly go so very far off the rails, like perhaps the bio parents choosing to get back together, or actually catching them "in the act" of an affair, but no...

This all stemmed from a hand-slapping & hair-pulling incident between bio mom & gf at a country club swim meet because of a hug from a family member?! THAT was the catalyst for this horrific act of craziness?

But the fight was not BETWEEN bio mom, and the girlfriend..The girlfriend pulled hair and attacked bio mom and bio aunt

 

[Gemmie]

But the fight was not BETWEEN bio mom, and the girlfriend..The girlfriend pulled hair and attacked bio mom and bio aunt

I'd love to see your source because all I'm aware of is from the restraining order that says the opposite.

It wasn't Hannah Landon/Bunnak Lim against the mother, it seems it was the other way around from the temp restraining order Hannah/Bunnak took against Bella's mom. This case is muddier than what it appears to be at first glance. And I'm in no way defending a murderer. I'm just pointing out some facts that might not be known.

Keep in mind the POI of this murder (Hannah/Bannak) is the plaintiff in this restraining order and Bella's bio mom (Jennifer Zeledon) is the defendant.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23791113/pages/landon-zeledon-p1-normal.gif?ts=1682628443080

 

[Joey100]

I'd love to see your source because all I'm aware of is from the restraining order that says the opposite.

It wasn't Hannah Landon/Bunnak Lim against the mother, it seems it was the other way around from the temp restraining order Hannah/Bunnak took against Bella's mom. This case is muddier than what it appears to be at first glance. And I'm in no way defending a murderer. I'm just pointing out some facts that might not be known.

Keep in mind the POI of this murder (Hannah/Bannak) is the plaintiff in this restraining order and Bella's bio mom (Jennifer Zeledon) is the defendant.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23791113/pages/landon-zeledon-p1-normal.gif?ts=1682628443080

Woman killed boyfriend’s 6-year-old daughter, left body in bucket at Harahan home: JPSO

A Harahan woman killed the 6-year-old daughter of her boyfriend, wedged the child's body into a 10-gallon bucket and then used a wagon to cart that bucket to the nearby

www.nola.com

I'm not the OP but this is from an article on the first page of this thread

Battery complaint​

While authorities did not discuss any possible motives in the homicide, Jefferson Parish court records show that Landon had been accused of attacking Bella's mother during a confrontation at Riverside Country Club in Harahan on June 8, 2021.

Bella's mother called Harahan police and told officers that Landon tried to block another relative from hugging one of her daughters during a swim meet, court records said.
Landon allegedly slapped away the hand of Bella's mother, grabbed her hair and began attacking her until a bystander intervened, an incident report said.

Bella's mother was left with scratches on her face and hand, according to police. Landon was described as being "extremely uncooperative" before accusing Bella's mother of attacking first, according to the report.
Landon was given a Harahan municipal summons for simple battery. No details were immediately available about the outcome of the case. But Landon filed for a temporary restraining order against Bella's mother because of the incident, Jefferson Parish court records show.

Judge Lee Faulkner of the 24th Judicial District Court denied a request on Aug. 5, 2021 to make the restraining order permanent following a hearing, court records said.

 

[Soulmagent]

Woman killed boyfriend’s 6-year-old daughter, left body in bucket at Harahan home: JPSO

A Harahan woman killed the 6-year-old daughter of her boyfriend, wedged the child's body into a 10-gallon bucket and then used a wagon to cart that bucket to the nearby

www.nola.com

I'm not the OP but this is from an article on the first page of this thread

Battery complaint​

While authorities did not discuss any possible motives in the homicide, Jefferson Parish court records show that Landon had been accused of attacking Bella's mother during a confrontation at Riverside Country Club in Harahan on June 8, 2021.

Bella's mother called Harahan police and told officers that Landon tried to block another relative from hugging one of her daughters during a swim meet, court records said.
Landon allegedly slapped away the hand of Bella's mother, grabbed her hair and began attacking her until a bystander intervened, an incident report said.

Bella's mother was left with scratches on her face and hand, according to police. Landon was described as being "extremely uncooperative" before accusing Bella's mother of attacking first, according to the report.
Landon was given a Harahan municipal summons for simple battery. No details were immediately available about the outcome of the case. But Landon filed for a temporary restraining order against Bella's mother because of the incident, Jefferson Parish court records show.

Judge Lee Faulkner of the 24th Judicial District Court denied a request on Aug. 5, 2021 to make the restraining order permanent following a hearing, court records said.

We know . The paper work from court trumped that article cause ,it is court documents and all. It is so hard to nail down facts when they slide ,like when you drop ice of the floor.

 

[MissMalowe]

But the fight was not BETWEEN bio mom, and the girlfriend..The girlfriend pulled hair and attacked bio mom and bio aunt

Perhaps you could further explain what you mean? I'm not understanding what you were attempting to correct in my post?

My Post: This all stemmed from a hand-slapping & hair-pulling incident between bio mom & gf at a country club swim meet because of a hug from a family member?!

Your issue is with the word BETWEEN???
Involving? Including? connecting?....

 

[Gemmie]

Woman killed boyfriend’s 6-year-old daughter, left body in bucket at Harahan home: JPSO

A Harahan woman killed the 6-year-old daughter of her boyfriend, wedged the child's body into a 10-gallon bucket and then used a wagon to cart that bucket to the nearby

www.nola.com

I'm not the OP but this is from an article on the first page of this thread

Battery complaint​

While authorities did not discuss any possible motives in the homicide, Jefferson Parish court records show that Landon had been accused of attacking Bella's mother during a confrontation at Riverside Country Club in Harahan on June 8, 2021.

Bella's mother called Harahan police and told officers that Landon tried to block another relative from hugging one of her daughters during a swim meet, court records said.
Landon allegedly slapped away the hand of Bella's mother, grabbed her hair and began attacking her until a bystander intervened, an incident report said.

Bella's mother was left with scratches on her face and hand, according to police. Landon was described as being "extremely uncooperative" before accusing Bella's mother of attacking first, according to the report.
Landon was given a Harahan municipal summons for simple battery. No details were immediately available about the outcome of the case. But Landon filed for a temporary restraining order against Bella's mother because of the incident, Jefferson Parish court records show.

Judge Lee Faulkner of the 24th Judicial District Court denied a request on Aug. 5, 2021 to make the restraining order permanent following a hearing, court records said.

THANK YOU for responding, @Joey100!!

Here's where the problem lies... That NOLA MSM article appears to have gotten it all wrong which is causing some problems with misinformation. The below quote comes directly from Hannah/Bannak's Petition for a Temporary Restraining Order against Bella's mom.

I'm going to believe the restraining order and not the MSM article by NOLA, unless there's a 2nd restraining order, or some other official court document where Bella's mom did the same (accusing Hannah for the exact same things that Hannah accused the mom of). You know, like dueling court orders where only one is actually true.

The fact in this matter is in the last paragraph of the petition (the date matches the same date in the article with misinformation):

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23791113/pages/landon-zeledon-p1-normal.gif?ts=1682628443080

 

[HMSHood]

Most women who kill children are their own children. There are women who kill someone else's child/children. Hannah Landon is one of them. It would be interesting if there is a study of women who kill someone else's child/children. Just looking at them, they are most likely injustice collector or grudge hoarder.

Examples Of Woman Who Kill Someone Else's Children
Elizabeth Bathory
Gertrude Baniszewski
Myra Hindley
Karla Holmolka
Louise Woodward
Lori Drew
Melissa Huckaby
Mona Nelson
Eliza Baker
Renee King
Molly Jane Roe
Yoselyn Ortega
Gyulchehra Bobokulova
Arjun Samdhi Pardas
Lesli Jett

 

[ArianeEmory]

Letecia Stauch, trial ongoing now. (Murdered stepson. Hated his bio mother. Also, she hid his body in a suitcase and drove it across the country (Colorado to Florida) to dump it. This happened in early 2020.)

 

[DeDee]

THANK YOU for responding, @Joey100!!

Here's where the problem lies... That NOLA MSM article appears to have gotten it all wrong which is causing some problems with misinformation. The below quote comes directly from Hannah/Bannak's Petition for a Temporary Restraining Order against Bella's mom.

I'm going to believe the restraining order and not the MSM article by NOLA, unless there's a 2nd restraining order, or some other official court document where Bella's mom did the same (accusing Hannah for the exact same things that Hannah accused the mom of). You know, like dueling court orders where only one is actually true.

The fact in this matter is in the last paragraph of the petition (the date matches the same date in the article with misinformation):
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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23791113/pages/landon-zeledon-p1-normal.gif?ts=1682628443080

It's my own opinion, that Landon played the victim in order to obtain a restraining order against the bio mom, JZ. Landon was "being uncooperative" until it dawned on her to turn the table and blame JZ by claiming JZ began the altercation.

It is typical NPD behavior to blame someone other than themselves. JMHO from life's experiences

 

[Puzzles]

Jung undertook this work after discovering that his attempts to truly try to get inside the minds of psychotic persons and to imagine their worldview were...driving him mad. He invented the concept of "active imagination," which means trying to truly imagine oneself in a certain situation (in his case, in the situations of some of his psychotic patients, whom he was trying to help). He stopped that work in mid-life (and there's a posthumous book I have yet to read about this whole thing - the Black Book).

Snipped for focus and bolded by me.

Dear 10ofRods,
I always look for your posts and appreciate them so much.
I humbly suggest you grab The Black Books demonstrating Jung's unflinching courage to confront his unconscious. I found them both enlightening and shattering.
Then there's his magnificent The Red Book also published posthumously. It includes much of his text from The Black Books and adds his exquisite illustrations and calligraphy. Pricey to purchase, although a treasure to own, copies are available at some libraries. No doubt you know of it, 10ofRods, yet I mention it for those who may want to be made aware of its importance and its beauty.

 

[PawneeDew]

She is vile and evil. I guess maybe it's the fact that we have such ready communication that we're finding out about all these Medea characters (and there are male equivalents in ancient history, as well).

But I do not think, in modern times (from say 1700 onward), we've heard about so many heinous murders of small children. I have no explanation.

The "psychotic envy" theory that comes out of psychiatric research may be the best explanation we have - but such people are hard to identify in advance.



Indeed. But what kind of crazy is that? I feel as if psychiatric studies and sociology (and anthropology) have nothing to offer. I just know that this type of thing is rarely reported around the world. Mayhem due to warring parties, yes. But someone's girlfriend butchering their child and taunting the child's mother?

I don't have words.

IMO.

It absolutely does seem like a new kind of evil, so disgusting. Envy has been around since biblical times....It was the motive for Cain slaying his own brother; Abel.

 

[PawneeDew]

What the heck is going on with us?
More and more humans are committing more and more abhorrent forms of murder and other crimes. It's like our brains are evolving in the wrong direction and we're turning into monsters.

Oh, no. They are not us. I know what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's evil. Maybe 'they' allowed the evil into their lives and then became evil themselves. That's my theory, anyway......mho

 

[PawneeDew]

BELLA

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What a Beauty!