• #681
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Othram has been notified earlier in this thread, but there are other agencies involved and someone would need to authorize exhumation of his body, imo, based on what I’ve read here on the threads.
I don't think they know where BCJD is actually buried anymore. Fifty years have gone by and many records were destroyed during Katrina. Even without a catastrophe like Katrina sometimes just time results in lost evidence.

Another poster mentioned wondering about his lack of shoes. Highway 23 probably doesn't look anything like it did 50 years ago. It was probably a two lane road with foliage on both sides. I believe the area where the JD was found was actually on an area of highway 23 that is now called Highway 11. It runs much closer to the Mississippi River. It is still a two lane road. There's a video of a man who posts just driving various routes, and one I found is actually on highway 11. It's kind of remote and under built, not very many homes and what are there are very modest. "In Plaquemines Parish, sections of the original LA 23, since bypassed, are signed as Parish Road 11 (although some maps erroneously list these routes as LA-11), such as in Jesuit Bend and the area south of Port Sulphur through Empire, Buras, and Fort Jackson. Prior to Louisiana's 1955 highway renumbering, LA 23 through Plaquemines Parish was LA 31, and there are some bridges, such as the Bayou Barriere crossings in northern Belle Chasse, that still bear the original numbering." Excerpt from Wikipedia re LA23

Link:

I checked out what persimmon trees look like and they can vary, especially in that area. There are 3 distinct types. Native trees can grow up to 60 feet but more commonly grow up to 20 - 30 feet. The Oriental varieties grow low and are preferred for harvesting. I got this information from various websites. Here's one: American Persimmon.

Back in the 1970s, I wonder if most persimmons were the native type. If someone is familiar with the types of persimmon trees that grow in the area, can you verify how big the grow? Based on the tree's characteristics (thin trunks and branches) you can see them growing beside highway 11 in the video above.

If this is the area where BCJD chose to commit suicide, I'm wondering how he got there. Back in the 1970s it was very common to hitchhike, and I wonder whether that's how he ended up there. And if he did hitchhike why did he get out where he did? Was it because the driver had reached his destination? If that were true, you'd think the news of a body found hanging from a tree would be news in the area and the individual would come forward. If he requested to be let out there, what was the reason? If he planned to commit suicide why here? And why, a persimmon tree? Plaquemine is French Creole for persimmon. Here's a little video re the name. Link:

If the deceased's shoes were never found, does that mean he arrived to the area without shoes? Was he walking along the side of the road and lost them in a muddy ditch (that's happened to me!) Did he take them off before he hanged himself? If he did take them off was that because they would have identified him? Trying to think of the type of shoes that might identify an individual. The only things I can think of are shoes that might be part of a uniform or shoes that have your name written inside. Usually names on clothing or shoes is to identify them to the wearer because others wear the same shoes. Maybe brogues, like those worn at a private school that had uniforms, like a Catholic school or a military school. I think a lot of kids who were sent to military schools were sent there either to 'toughen them up' or because they were "problem kids" getting into trouble and it was a last ditch effort to straighten them out.

Part of me wonders whether this JD was identified anonymously and the family chose to remain quiet.
 
  • #682
I don't think they know where BCJD is actually buried anymore.
iirc someone earlier in the thread did manage to find and contact the cemetery where he was laid to rest and managed to get the info of his exact burial plot from them. they just don't have permission to exhume him.

edit - ok i just fact checked. turns out i remembered it a little wrong. this info is in the original thread. someone did contact the cemetery and they confirmed that he is buried there in the unmarked section where they bury all their unidentified deceased. the cemetery knows the plot number but will not provide it or any other info regarding the burial to the public unless a family member of the deceased is enquiring to have him exhumed and moved elsewhere.
 
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  • #683
iirc someone earlier in the thread did manage to find and contact the cemetery where he was laid to rest and managed to get the info of his exact burial plot from them. they just don't have permission to exhume him.

edit - ok i just fact checked. turns out i remembered it a little wrong. this info is in the original thread. someone did contact the cemetery and they confirmed that he is buried there in the unmarked section where they bury all their unidentified deceased. the cemetery knows the plot number but will not provide it or any other info regarding the burial to the public unless a family member of the deceased is enquiring to have him exhumed and moved elsewhere.
Well, that's a catch 22. We don't know who he is and we can't get DNA until a family member makes the request but the family is unaware of the death in LA so the body remains buried.
 
  • #684
If they don't know who he is then anyone should be able to claim to be family and demand he be exhumed. The only way for them to refuse the claim is to DNA test the remains.
 
  • #685
f they don't know who he is then anyone should be able to claim to be family and demand he be exhumed

Interesting idea, although it makes me wonder if there’s any burden of proof on the theoretical family member making the request.

In other words, do you have to prove you had a missing relative around 1975, known to be in New Orleans area, pictures that match BCJD, etc? Is paying for the exhumation and reburial and DNA testing on you, or LE? Since there’s no crime involved, I would assume the cost would be on the petitioner (who also has to petition the court for permission to exhume in the first place.)

I got super curious about the question/idea and its’s sort of a MUDDY CRAWFIsH HOLE (much worse than a rabbit hole - phrase stolen from @Finding Magness).

Anyway, found this, which is an interesting story about one person’s desire to exhume their father (and the costs involved, circa 2013):

 
  • #686
What would happen if an unrelated citizen or organization raised the funds needed to cover an exhumation (and genetic testing) independently for a Doe? For example, if a group raised the funds via a 🤬🤬🤬 and then Othram or another lab agreed to do the testing?
 
  • #687
Well, its not just about funding - I think the biggest hurdle is getting permission to do it in the first place.

I wasn’t able to find Louisiana’s laws on this in my cursory survey, but most states seem to have a sort of ‘dignity in death’ idea underlying theirs; ie, you have to have an extremely good/compelling reason to dig someone up.

In the article above, for example, she would have needed notarized statements from all of her father’s living descendants giving their consent to the exhumation. Just as a first step. :)
 
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  • #689
So any updates?
 
  • #690
This is a recent case from the South from around the same era (not quite a decade later) where someone's remains -possibly a teenager, too, but I haven't seen more info- where misidentified by family as being this missing woman's. In reality, she was still alive until 1984 and her remains weren't identified correctly until recently. It can perhaps happen the opposite way, too,- that family doesn't identify the Doe as their family member when they actually are? Perhaps? Anyway, it shows the perils of such identifications-or not- made by family members back in the day. It made me think of Belle Chasse John Doe.. After 40 years, Judy Doe (1984) is now Identified
 
  • #691
Belle Chasse John Doe has been unidentified for 50 years today.
 
  • #692
This is a recent case from the South from around the same era (not quite a decade later) where someone's remains -possibly a teenager, too, but I haven't seen more info- where misidentified by family as being this missing woman's. In reality, she was still alive until 1984 and her remains weren't identified correctly until recently. It can perhaps happen the opposite way, too,- that family doesn't identify the Doe as their family member when they actually are? Perhaps? Anyway, it shows the perils of such identifications-or not- made by family members back in the day. It made me think of Belle Chasse John Doe.. After 40 years, Judy Doe (1984) is now Identified
I wonder how the family and coroner made the incorrect identification of the remains? What a sad situation, but maybe the other Doe will be identified now.
 
  • #693
February 14, 1975......50 years unidentified
 
  • #694
I wonder how the family and coroner made the incorrect identification of the remains? What a sad situation, but maybe the other Doe will be identified now.
Apparently the identification wasn't as official as earlier articles made it sound. I didn't realize that until I read this article. However, it was enough to have her missing person's report removed which may have hindered in getting her identified when she was actually found in a different state a few years later-


I was refering to this case:Identified! - FL - Altoona, WhtFem Skeletal 126UFFL, 17-20, near Lake Dorr, Apr'84 - Rebecca Sue Hill
 
  • #695
Apparently the identification wasn't as official as earlier articles made it sound. I didn't realize that until I read this article. However, it was enough to have her missing person's report removed which may have hindered in getting her identified when she was actually found in a different state a few years later-


I was refering to this case:Identified! - FL - Altoona, WhtFem Skeletal 126UFFL, 17-20, near Lake Dorr, Apr'84 - Rebecca Sue Hill
Thank you so much for the additional information. ETA: I can’t believe how that other UID was just assumed to be Rebecca. A clay reconstruction? And her siblings said even the reconstruction looked nothing like her.

Really helps us understand why Belle Chasse is still a mystery, too. Family may have all kinds of reasons why they want a Doe to be or not to be their loved one. A family cannot be objective.
 
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  • #696
Now that it's been 50 years, is his autopsy report available? Bayard Cousins had a scar on one finger. I would be interested in knowing if this young man did too. I also want to know more about the injury inside the mouth. The one the resembled the injury in Charles Wallace's mouth.
 
  • #697
Now that it's been 50 years, is his autopsy report available?

To our knowledge, all records, evidence, etc for BCJD were lost to flooding during Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
 
  • #698
I suggest you read the entire two threads before 'correcting' anybody. Thank you, and thank you for taking an interest.

original thread #1 my post is 370 just to show how long I’ve been on this with theories and READINGGGG THE THREAD

Wallace’s mothers article is #625, #626 with newspaper proof

I’ll wait for an apology… ;)
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Lemme know if you need help :)
 
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  • #700
Interesting long shot...travel was very different in 1970s. It would not be recorded as it is now.

He left a Hospital and could because he was an adult.

Did he try to start over? Thinking things would change? Then discovered after a year or so, nothing changed?

What frustrated me most in the last year was that I had built no ties to family or friends.






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