• #841
I honestly feel so attached to this case. I have an Ancestry and Newspapers subscription, so I’ve been trying to search within the Newspapers in the Plaquemines Parish area, and attempt to find any matches from the early-to-mid 1970s.

I’ve also been looking at Ancestry yearbooks from around the time, and I’ve found some fairly similar-looking people. It seems as though the John Doe was from the area given his striking similarities to some of the other people I’ve seen— the hairstyle, eye color, thicker lips, and even partially concave cleft chin were all fairly common features within Plaquemines Parish from around that time.

Something in my heart is just gravitating me towards this case— I don’t know exactly what it is, but I feel like I have a connection with it. I would love to name some possible people, but I don’t know if that would be the smartest. I don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy, as the people who look similar my still be alive and I could just be barking up the wrong tree.

There was one kid who would have been round that age and had attempted to run away in September of 1974; he was caught around a week later in Texas. That was the only time he’d been mentioned in the newspaper, but again, I may be looking at a human being who is still alive.

I hope he gets found. He needs a name, whether it be shared to the public or not.
Furthermore, I would love if we got some people from Plaquemines Parish to involve themselves in this case on Othram. Maybe if someone with Louisiana Creole ancestry in the area could possibly submit their DNA to the site, we could get a lead.

P.S.: The reason I say “Creole ancestry” is because, as stated in the first few paragraphs of mine I am replying to, he looked very similar to a bunch of the boys in the area that I saw— a lot of them with French surnames, which would lead to at least a partial Creole background.
 
  • #842
No teen or young adult speaks in the way the suicide note was written.
Many lines start out with "I" followed by a passage from the Philospher Durkheim .
Was he trying to appear like he was well educated but actually copying phrases?
...
bbm, sbm

i did. i was a nerd.
 
  • #843
I think his mistake in who-said-quotes tells a story.

I think so too, although I don’t know what the story is. :)

I wrote about the Durkheim/Menninger confusion here (in 2023) if you’re interested in the minute details of this minute detail. I still can’t quite pull the threads together to make it anything other than a semi-interesting anomaly, though. People misquote others all the time without it necessarily signifying anything other than a bad memory.
 
  • #844
On the other hand, there’s a …sophistication in the way he writes that all the ten-dollar vocabulary words in the world can’t compensate for, and with which teenagers don’t have the life experience/wisdom yet to express themselves

I see what you're saying. Maybe I just want to believe a 16 - 17 year old could write that way. It's too narrow an age range anyway.
 
  • #845
I go back and forth on his apparent age vs. his writing style.

On one hand, I too was a hyper-literate (and pretentious) teenager so I can believe he’s a teenager. On the other hand, there’s a …sophistication in the way he writes that all the ten-dollar vocabulary words in the world can’t compensate for, and with which teenagers don’t have the life experience/wisdom yet to express themselves.

So I do tend to believe he’s older than we think; still young, early twenties maybe, but definitely not 16.

I see what you're saying. Maybe I just want to believe a 16 - 17 year old could write that way. It's too narrow an age range anyway.
I also agree that the writing style usually aligns more with someone of college-age rather than high school. But I wouldn't rule out a 16-17 year-old for the following reasons:

1. Even in high school, we're all aware that there are different ways to write depending on the occasion. That is, the way I write in my journal, or to my family or friends, is not the same way I'm going to write my term paper for my teacher to grade.

BCJD certainly knew he was writing his final note, and some of it was addressed directly to formal authority figures. I think this occasion would influence his diction, elevating it beyond his normal patterns of everyday speech and writing.

2. BCJD clearly states in his letter that he felt melancholy, empty and detached from people, especially in the last year. What do people do when they feel so profoundly alone? They might seek refuge in books, literature, and study. And the more you do that, the more you might adopt the styles of the kind of literature you're reading—especially if you really connect with it.

I know for a fact that the “Durkheim” quote is wrong. Durkheim never said any such thing (about suicide being homicide against oneself). You know who did? Karl Menninger, in his book Man Against Himself.

I don’t recall, in the many versions of the note published online and in newspapers, seeing the Durkheim bit exactly quoted, so it’s possible that BCJD didn’t even mention Durkheim by name, but rather expressed the idea about suicide, and a reporter poorly remembered his psych 101 class and got the name wrong.
In regards to the "Durkheim" quote:

I also have never found a source where Durkheim defines suicide as "an inner direction of homicidal feelings against someone else," as BCJD put it. I'm also not sure if BCJD actually used quotation marks around this definition, suggesting he believed these were Durkheim's actual words. And as you rightly point out, it's not even clear if BCJD even mentioned Durkheim by name in his letter.

What I have found, and shared in an earlier post, is a quote directly translated from Durkheim who defines "anomic suicide" as that which originates from

"a state of exasperation and irritated weariness which can, according to circumstances, turn against the subject himself or against others. In the first case, there's suicide. In the second, homicide."

BCJD's definition, I think, is a decent paraphrase of Durkheim's words so maybe that was his intent, especially if he didn't use quotation marks. Or if he did, maybe he mistakenly confused the words or footnotes of another scholar (like Menninger?) commenting on the translation of Durkheim's words?
 
  • #846
I honestly feel so attached to this case. I have an Ancestry and Newspapers subscription, so I’ve been trying to search within the Newspapers in the Plaquemines Parish area, and attempt to find any matches from the early-to-mid 1970s.

I’ve also been looking at Ancestry yearbooks from around the time, and I’ve found some fairly similar-looking people. It seems as though the John Doe was from the area given his striking similarities to some of the other people I’ve seen— the hairstyle, eye color, thicker lips, and even partially concave cleft chin were all fairly common features within Plaquemines Parish from around that time.

Something in my heart is just gravitating me towards this case— I don’t know exactly what it is, but I feel like I have a connection with it. I would love to name some possible people, but I don’t know if that would be the smartest. I don’t want to invade anyone’s privacy, as the people who look similar my still be alive and I could just be barking up the wrong tree.

There was one kid who would have been round that age and had attempted to run away in September of 1974; he was caught around a week later in Texas. That was the only time he’d been mentioned in the newspaper, but again, I may be looking at a human being who is still alive.

I hope he gets found. He needs a name, whether it be shared to the public or not.
I want to go back to this. I found some information about the kid that went missing for a bit back in September of 1974— who I will now name as George “Butch” Simon. I was able to get a close-up picture of him, and he looks strikingly similar to BCJD.

The last time I could confirmedly say he appeared in the newspaper was in September of 1974, when he went missing for the first time at age 17. He was found later that month, but that fact that he left once means that he could have left again.

If he is still alive, and I am truly going down the wrong path, I will take down this post. No matter what. If this violates any rule, which is not my intention in any capacity, please let me know; I will try to remove this post. I genuinely do not want to violate anyone’s privacy or the websites rules whatsoever.

Linked below are photos of him from the newspaper reporting on his temporary disappearance, and two newspaper clippings from the area detailing what happened. I don’t know if it is weird going to this lead, so please let me know.

 

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  • #847
I want to go back to this. I found some information about the kid that went missing for a bit back in September of 1974— who I will now name as George “Butch” Simon. I was able to get a close-up picture of him, and he looks strikingly similar to BCJD.

The last time I could confirmedly say he appeared in the newspaper was in September of 1974, when he went missing for the first time at age 17. He was found later that month, but that fact that he left once means that he could have left again.

If he is still alive, and I am truly going down the wrong path, I will take down this post. No matter what. If this violates any rule, which is not my intention in any capacity, please let me know; I will try to remove this post. I genuinely do not want to violate anyone’s privacy or the websites rules whatsoever.

Linked below are photos of him from the newspaper reporting on his temporary disappearance, and two newspaper clippings from the area detailing what happened. I don’t know if it is weird going to this lead, so please let me know.

What are your guys thoughts on this? Does he look similar enough?

The only thing throwing me off is his height—Butch Simon stood at around 5’7” in September of 1974, whereas BCJD was around 5’10”-6’0” at the time of his death in February of 1975 (only a five month difference).

Besides this, I would say they match up fairly similarly. Same weight, same eye and hair color, similar haircuts, same lip shape, similar chin and eye/eyebrow shapes.
 
  • #848
What are your guys thoughts on this? Does he look similar enough?

The only thing throwing me off is his height—Butch Simon stood at around 5’7” in September of 1974, whereas BCJD was around 5’10”-6’0” at the time of his death in February of 1975 (only a five month difference).

Besides this, I would say they match up fairly similarly. Same weight, same eye and hair color, similar haircuts, same lip shape, similar chin and eye/eyebrow shapes.
Excellent 👌
I agree with you: same weight, same eye and hair color, similar haircuts, same lip shape, similar chin and eye/eyebrow shapes.
 
  • #849
What are your guys thoughts on this? Does he look similar enough?
I personally don’t see a resemblance between Simon and BCJD, but I love a good rabbit hole, so... A quick search on Ancestry for the name George Simon in Louisiana turned up only two people. One is Black and died in 2003, and the other, the only one with the nickname “Butch”, has documented ties to Indiana. According to his mother’s obituary from 2009, he was living in Florida at the time.

I also looked up the address Simon reportedly went missing from, and the records show that the mobile home was owned by the same person from 1900 to 1979. The last name isn’t even remotely similar to Simon, and I’m still trying to determine whether there’s any real connection between the two families. But, interesting tidbit, the family has ties to Texas.

It’s possible that Simon wasn’t actually from Belle Chasse and was only staying there for some reason, and that he could be the “Butch” from Indiana?!

MOO JMO

ETA: grammar
 
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  • #850
I personally don’t see a resemblance between Simon and BCJD, but I love a good rabbit hole, so... A quick search on Ancestry for the name George Simon in Louisiana turned up only two people. One is Black and died in 2003, and the other, the only one with the nickname “Butch”, has documented ties to Indiana. According to his mother’s obituary from 2009, he was living in Florida at the time.

I also looked up the address Simon reportedly went missing from, and the records show that the mobile home was owned by the same person from 1900 to 1979. The last name isn’t even remotely similar to Simon, and I’m still trying to determine whether there’s any real connection between the two families. But, interesting tidbit, the family has ties to Texas.

It’s possible that Simon wasn’t actually from Belle Chasse and was only staying there for some reason, and that he could be the “Butch” from Indiana?!

MOO JMO

ETA: grammar
Where did you get the records for Simon? I’ve been trying to find even a modicum of them outside of the newspaper clippings and I haven’t seen anything!

Thank you for researching and figuring this out!
 
  • #851
Where did you get the records for Simon? I’ve been trying to find even a modicum of them outside of the newspaper clippings and I haven’t seen anything!

Thank you for researching and figuring this out!
Look up Bishara George Simon on Ancestry. He is the father of George "Butch" Simon. There's a tree for the family.
The address you can look it up here: Assessment Search - Plaquemines Parish Assessor's Office

I'm not sure this is the same person you found, but he's the only person with the exact same name and age.
 
  • #852
@DannonV I think the nickname “Butch” comes from Butch’s Tavern, which Bishara George Simon owned from 1970 to 1979. Before that, he owned Blackhawks Tavern, also in Indianapolis, from 1950 to 1970.
 
  • #853
@DannonV I think the nickname “Butch” comes from Butch’s Tavern, which Bishara George Simon owned from 1970 to 1979. Before that, he owned Blackhawks Tavern, also in Indianapolis, from 1950 to 1970.
Neat! Thank you for helping me with this lead!
 
  • #854
Lots of good ideas.

I never got the sense that he was local. South Louisiana is made up of small, tight-knit communities where families have lived for generations, and I feel like someone would have recognized him if he were from the area. I believe the case was broadly publicized at the time.

Mardi Gras in 1975 was on February 11, just a few days before he was found. I think about this angle because people from all over the world are drawn to South LA for Mardi Gras. imo
 
  • #855
This is my first post, so sorry if I’m not too eloquent! This case has just grabbed my heart and I always wanted to know who he really was. I live in northwest Louisiana so I feel some sort of pull towards this. I worked for a large funeral home for 7 years and they also owned several cemeteries. We had reports that had to be sent to the Louisiana cemetery board (lcb.la.gov) monthly. Also, just because he was buried in an unmarked grave doesn’t mean they don’t know where he is. Unmarked with no stone still has to be in cemetery records. They know who is in what plot. So the cemetery would know which plot. Unless it was unearthed by Katrina. Interesting fact, after Katrina caskets had a small compartment that the information of the deceased had to be put in, that way if in the future the casket was unearthed the deceased info was in the little tube. I hope and pray that his grave could be found and disinterred to try for a dna sample in maybe tooth pulp or maybe bone marrow. God bless this child and his family.
 
  • #856
I would seriously love to be a police officer in the Plaquemines Parish. If they listened to the people on Websleuths, they could excavate BCJD and get some DNA samples from him again.
How do we notify them where it is? As long as we confirm it, we should try to give the Plaquemines Parish police department the whereabouts to the site.
 
  • #857
Lots of good ideas.

I never got the sense that he was local. South Louisiana is made up of small, tight-knit communities where families have lived for generations, and I feel like someone would have recognized him if he were from the area. I believe the case was broadly publicized at the time.

Mardi Gras in 1975 was on February 11, just a few days before he was found. I think about this angle because people from all over the world are drawn to South LA for Mardi Gras. imo
This would also make a lot of sense. I have a few theories as to what went on, but in the end I think he was most likely from Louisiana and was of at least partial Louisiana Creole descent. Maybe not from south Louisiana, but generally somewhere in the state.

Him attending Mardi Gras and being from out of state would make so much sense, though. If he were to have attended, he may have been with his family, and if they noticed he was missing, they could have put in a police report.

He could have also been by himself, which means that no one would have put in a missing persons report. So many files about this case were blown away a few decades ago, which is what makes this so difficult!!!
 
  • #858
Returning to the idea of James Zapolski potentially being this Doe, I came across a post in a thread on here somewhere from a ways back for James that noted his eye color was unknown, and later I saw it updated to the blue/green. I'm reading about eye color extensively for a while now, and I'm seriously wondering, could James' eyes actually have been hazel with blue tones? If so, there might be a change to brown depending on a multitude of factors at some point later? The blue/green's a very unusual combination, from what I can see. And I also saw on this other thread that at one point before he disappeared, James was picking beans to earn extra money for purchase of the bicycle. If he was into some agricultural role like that, he would probably have had no problem finding similar work picking fruit, working with fruit in some capacity down in Louisiana.
 
  • #859
He referred to himself (in relation to his parents) as "missing" and not just missing. Also important what he doesn't say....such as, let them believe I am dead. That leads me to believe he was 1) either around long enough or otherwise savvy enough to know he had been officially declared missing AND strongly assumed he would be searched for...not something every runaway might think or state. Not an earth-shattering detail, but it makes me think he was far from where he went missing (or was originally) from.

Brian Page's listed height is far off, and it's far more likely he is in water...but I'm sampling this type of scenario where Belle Chasse was a long way from home. And along with the well-read aspect, he also may have been clever...getting himself as far as possible. Brian Page wouldn't be an obvious choice based on what it looks like happened.
 
  • #860
I think we should not consider eye color much, because it can be misreported or open to interpretation.
 

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