LA LA - Belle Chasse, WhtMale 16-17, UP88342, hanged, suicide note, 14 Feb 1975 #2

[cenazoic]

John Deeny’s thread on WS.

 

[PatLaurel]

Missing Person/NamUs #MP20652
John Patrick Deeny, Male, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: March 20, 1973
Missing From: Janesville, Minnesota
Missing Age: 19 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Maybe it's too big, maybe the nose isn't the same, but I'm just going by resemblance on the sketch.

John Deeny’s thread on WS.

I think we can rule Deeny out. He had surgical scars on his thighs. The only scar our BCJD had was inside his mouth. MOO JMO

 

[PatLaurel]

Sorry moderators, I noticed that there is a third thread active for this case, wouldn't it be better to close this one and leave the other open?

https://websleuths.com/threads/la-b...7-up88342-hanged-suicide-note-feb75-3.718118/

This also is active...!

That thread was created in 2024, likely by mistake, and hasn’t seen any activity since. It might be a good idea to report it to prevent any potential confusion. MOO JMO

 

[cenazoic]

@PatLaurel think it’s been done - getting a ‘thread not found’.

Agreed about Deeny, but thought I’d link his thread since he was mentioned here as a possibility.

 

[Xymena]

I think we can rule Deeny out. He had surgical scars on his thighs. The only scar our BCJD had was inside his mouth. MOO JMO

I thought that maybe we don't know everything about John Doe...

 

[snooptroop88]

I think we can rule Deeny out. He had surgical scars on his thighs. The only scar our BCJD had was inside his mouth. MOO JMO

I thought that maybe we don't know everything about John Doe...

Agreed, but John's a couple of inches shorter than the shortest projected height for the Doe, and he's not only shorter, but heavier. And I know this is subjective, but I don't think he looks a whole lot like him aside from the dark hair and dreamy eyes. Nose, chin, lips don't look similar enough to me, but it's subjective, and I might be way off or the likeness for the Doe might be way off, (maybe the Doe has features that can vary significantly depending on lighting, angle, and so on). And John's 20 in 1973, he's going to be around 22 by the time the Doe's found. Any one of these things, I'd say maybe, all of them together, I mean it's still maybe, but I think it becomes less and less likely, but again, jmo. The scars kind of sway me too far towards thinking no.

James Zapolski is the closest I've come to any reported MP I think might be the Doe. If it's not him, jmo, I don't think he's reported. And the Doe's letter makes it seem like he should have been reported, theoretically, so... that's a concern.

 

[PatLaurel]

I thought that maybe we don't know everything about John Doe...

The ME was thorough enough to document a scar inside BCJD’s mouth. I doubt they would have missed any surgical scars on his thighs, given that those would be obvious identifying marks. MOO JMO

 

[cenazoic]

The ME was thorough enough to document a scar inside BCJD’s mouth. I doubt they would have missed any surgical scars on his thighs, given that those would be obvious identifying marks.

To document this: Mrs Wallace specifically mentions that Charlie had a scar on his leg missing from BCJD. (See newspaper clipping in post here.) No other mention of leg scars.

 

[PatLaurel]

To document this: Mrs Wallace specifically mentions that Charlie had a scar on his leg missing from BCJD. (See newspaper clipping in post here.) No other mention of leg scars.

I’m still amazed that two different people would have exactly the same 40 stitches scar in such a specific place. I don’t think I’ll ever get over the fact that CW isn’t BCJD. MOO JMO

ETA: @cenazoic, the link to the clipping is broken.

 

[cenazoic]

Arg, sorry!

Try this: LA - LA - Belle Chasse, WhtMale 16-17, UP88342, hanged, suicide note, Feb'75 #1

 

[BigKeyManatee]

Revisiting this thread after several years and I’ve come away with some new (to me) impressions about this young man:

• BCJD acknowledges that he came from a privileged background where his parents provided him with everything, including a fine education. For his supposed age of 16-17, his writing skills suggest an elite secondary school, possibly a prep school, or one with dedicated gifted and talented program. He may have graduated early and obtained an early admission to college.
• BCJD likely had attended at least one year of University where he encountered the writings of Emile Durkheim in a freshman level Psychology or Sociology course. A quick AI inquiry reveals that the 1960’s began the “Academic Consolidation” period for teaching Durkheim in these courses across major universities, notably the University of Chicago. AI recounts that a new translation of ED’s work on SUICIDE was included in the university coursework.
• BCJD may have suffered a psychotic break or a major depressive episode during his freshman year, and chose to flee, instead of returning home to his parents. The suicide note mentions that in his last year he felt particularly isolated, afraid for his future, and of failing his parents’ and societal expectations. Without having statistics to quote, it is common knowledge that many young people, including the T&G, flame out during freshman year, as this is the age where serious mental illnesses first make an appearance.
• BCJD was not local. I believe that he fled as far away as possible from his parents and home to commit his final act. From the respectful tone that he takes with the “authorities,” BCJD had never been in any actual trouble with police. He likely came from a very wealthy, sheltered, and socially-connected family from the Northeast, perhaps as far away as California, but something about Chicago seems a good fit- plus it’s almost due North of Belle Chase, LA.

MOO

 

[Romulus]

ok, i'm interested and sympathetic in both cases, but i'm honestly not seeing what makes you think these are a match. there are some general consistencies, but that's about it.

I see a very strong resemblance between the sketch and the photo of this boy; I repeat, I'm just going by similarity for now.