LA LA - Belle Chasse, WhtMale 16-17, UP88342, hanged, suicide note, Feb'75 #2

[Rolypolyoly]

So according to the obituary Wallace has two brothers. Was he the oldest?
I wonder what they think happened to him.

Charlie was the oldest I believe.

 

[Ciriii57]

This is what I don't understand...if you recognized your son, why not say so? I understand that there are particular mental mechanisms in those situations, but in this way you simply complicate the work of the police, without accusing anyone.

I know what you mean but I can understand it if this was indeed her decision.
It was a different time and without knowing Mrs Wallace's personal beliefs I couldn't say for certain but suicide was viewed very differently back then and might be seen as very shameful for a family. She already had a son in rehab for drugs, maybe his suicide was too much.

I suppose his own suicide note gave her a get out clause in that she could respect his wishes and not admit he was her son.

 

[phantomstrider]

It's OK to unfollow the discussion if you feel you need a break from it.

Thanks. Im still going to follow the thread though. I don’t think I need a break from the case. I was just pointing out how little physical evidence we have in regards to this case and how all of our theories are speculation without the body being found or exhumed for possible dna comparison and use for genetic genealogy.

 

[Sweetluv]

In order to get a body exhumed for DNA testing, you need to petition the court with a valid reason. I'm surprised this has not been done yet..or has it and rejected? This would be the perfect case.

 

[Romulus]

Allow me to make suggestions without being rude or arrogant, I would do this, always if it is legally possible

1) Contact (perhaps this has already been done) Othram or whoever is dealing with the case to get more information if they are dealing with the case

2) Contact Charles Wallace's brothers or sisters for further information on his disappearance or death; if he is still missing, let him enter the Namus or Doe Network database, or at least take the brothers' DNA and compare it with this UID when he is exhumed.

3) Contact the cemetery where this UID was buried, take DNA and compare it to Charles Wallace.

I know it's not that easy, that there are many legal problems, but I think it's the only solution to exclude or confirm whether it's Charles Wallace.

 

[phantomstrider]

In order to get a body exhumed for DNA testing, you need to petition the court with a valid reason. I'm surprised this has not been done yet..or has it and rejected? This would be the perfect case.

I think it’s probably because all records in this case were allegedly lost in Katrina so they probably wouldn’t know where the body was buried to exhume him.

 

[Ciriii57]

I think it’s probably because all records in this case were allegedly lost in Katrina so they probably wouldn’t know where the body was buried to exhume him.

The location of the body is known and recorded. The cemetery was unaffected by Katrina. However it would take a legal request and court order to exhume the body, the process needs to be begun by LE, medical examiner or a family member. Due to the costs involved in exhumation and DNA recovery and testing it probably will not happen in the case of a suicide.

We are strictly forbidden from contacting family members and anything discovered from such a contact wouldn't be allowed to be posted here unfortunately.

 

[phantomstrider]

The location of the body is known and recorded. The cemetery was unaffected by Katrina. However it would take a legal request and court order to exhume the body, the process needs to be begun by LE, medical examiner or a family member. Due to the costs involved in exhumation and DNA recovery and testing it probably will not happen in the case of a suicide.

We are strictly forbidden from contacting family members and anything discovered from such a contact wouldn't be allowed to be posted here unfortunately.

I’m not at all sure the location of the body within the cemetery is known though even if we know what cemetery he was buried in.

 

[bettyboop]

I think it’s probably because all records in this case were allegedly lost in Katrina so they probably wouldn’t know where the body was buried to exhume him

@phantomstrider , @Courtaine has been on this thread since the beginning, albeit with a different username. They were in contact with the cemetery where this doe is buried. The cemetery knows EXACTLY where the doe is buried, and said they will only release that info to the family or Law Enforcement. Only the PAPERWORK AND FILES were lost in Katrina, not the burial place . JMO MOO

 

[phantomstrider]

@phantomstrider , @Courtaine has been on this thread since the beginning, albeit with a different username. They were in contact with the cemetery where this doe is buried. The cemetery knows EXACTLY where the doe is buried, and said they will only release that info to the family or Law Enforcement. Only the PAPERWORK AND FILES were lost in Katrina, not the burial place . JMO MOO

Oh great that goods news so burial and exhumation should be possible. So I guess there is some hope that this could be solved.

 

[Ciriii57]

I’m not at all sure the location of the body within the cemetery is known though even if we know what cemetery he was buried in.

I believe the funeral home confirmed they knew the exact location but don't quote me. @Courtaine can confirm I believe.
Im certain the funeral home would have an exact record of the burial plot. These records are never destroyed and remain archived in perpetuity.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

This is what I don't understand...if you recognized your son, why not say so? I understand that there are particular mental mechanisms in those situations, but in this way you simply complicate the work of the police, without accusing anyone.

It reminds me of the case of Teala Thompson, whose remains were found on a landfill. Her case could’ve been solved already in 1967, but her mother refused to identify the body and denied it could be her.

It wasn't until the family contacted police last fall that Thompson learned that police had urged her mother to view the remains shortly after they were found in hopes of confirming Teala's identity.

"They called my mom to come identify the body, but my mom would not go identify the body," Thompson said. "She kept that to herself. She just kept saying that 'That's not my daughter, my daughter's coming home. She'll walk through this door anytime.'"

"But we was young, so we didn't know that," Thompson said. "It was always kept kind of quiet. But my mom, deep in her heart, she knew Teala was gone, but she didn't have the heart to tell us."

Exhumed body ID'd as girl who vanished in '67; murder probe opened

State investigators in Pennsylvania have opened a homicide investigation after remains found in a landfill were identified as Teala Patricia Thompson, 13

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like she just shut down mentally. As long as there is no body, there’s always hope, right?

Teala Thompson’s WS thread:

Identified! - PA - Export, BlkFem UP13512, 10-14, shallow grave in landfill, Sep'67 Teala Thompson

This 1967 UP case for a young girl was just recently added to NamUs. I've never heard of this one before. There are no publicly listed girls from that era who even remotely fit the description. But I am starting this thread, so that everyone is aware of her case. NamUs UP 13512...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Rolypolyoly]

It reminds me of the case of Teala Thompson, whose remains were found on a landfill. Her case could’ve been solved already in 1967, but her mother refused to identify the body and denied it could be her.

Exhumed body ID'd as girl who vanished in '67; murder probe opened

State investigators in Pennsylvania have opened a homicide investigation after remains found in a landfill were identified as Teala Patricia Thompson, 13

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like she just shut down mentally. As long as there is no body, there’s always hope, right?

Teala Thompson’s WS thread:

Identified! - PA - Export, BlkFem UP13512, 10-14, shallow grave in landfill, Sep'67 Teala Thompson

This 1967 UP case for a young girl was just recently added to NamUs. I've never heard of this one before. There are no publicly listed girls from that era who even remotely fit the description. But I am starting this thread, so that everyone is aware of her case. NamUs UP 13512...

www.websleuths.com

Thats so sad

 

[Kiranerys]

I've not posted for a while so it's great to see people are still actively trying to find answers to this boy's identity.

I am another vote for Charles Wallace. Back along I did do a little digging to see if I could find any family, and there was a fb page of a relative but it seems to be gone now.

I wish I had made an enquiry now.

 

[amytothekate]

I think I found another photo of Charles Wallace. I wish it were a close-up and better quality, but I'll take it.

Land Judging Contest Winners
The Jackson Sun
Jackson, Tennessee
Fri, Oct 20, 1972 · Page 13

 

[Romulus]

A question: let's admit for a moment that the mother didn't recognize Charles as the UID; if the authorities find this out, what happens? Or does the case simply remain unsolved?

 

[Ciriii57]

A question: let's admit for a moment that the mother didn't recognize Charles as the UID; if the authorities find this out, what happens? Or does the case simply remain unsolved?

Do you mean if she purposefully chose not to ID him but she knew who he was he was? I'm not sure anything happens, I don't think a person has any legal obligation to provide a positive identification? It must be very rare for someone to mislead in this way.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

This is what I don't understand...if you recognized your son, why not say so? I understand that there are particular mental mechanisms in those situations, but in this way you simply complicate the work of the police, without accusing anyone.

Even if his mother had identified him as her son, that wouldn't necessarily make it true, you know what I mean?
Plus some people would find it too painful and would convince themselves it wasn't their child. She owed nothing to LE.

I wonder if they decided that despite her denial, officially it was him? And just didn't publish the decision. Is that possible?

I'm just saying that it would be appropriate to contact Charles Wallace's brothers or sisters and deny or confirm that this UID is their brother, today with the internet you can do everything,

It would not be appropriate for anyone except LE to contact his brothers. In fact it could be very upsetting to them. Also if they haven't reached out to LE themselves to inquire, maybe there is a reason. Maybe they would not welcome this at all.

 

[Romulus]

Ok, privacy is fine and must be respected, but doing so complicates things for the law enforcement; if law enforcement know he is Charles Wallace they would have already removed UID from the databases, but on the contrary, they inserted this UID recently, evidently either it's not Charles Wallace or they still have to compare it to him?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Fair enough.
I could see today's LE also saying, it was assumed to be him back then, but since we may find out for sure using DNA now, we may as well be sure.