LA LA - Belle Chasse, WhtMale 16-17, UP88342, hanged, suicide note, Feb'75 #2

[oguzhanokcu]

So any updates?

 

[summergirl1]

This is a recent case from the South from around the same era (not quite a decade later) where someone's remains -possibly a teenager, too, but I haven't seen more info- where misidentified by family as being this missing woman's. In reality, she was still alive until 1984 and her remains weren't identified correctly until recently. It can perhaps happen the opposite way, too,- that family doesn't identify the Doe as their family member when they actually are? Perhaps? Anyway, it shows the perils of such identifications-or not- made by family members back in the day. It made me think of Belle Chasse John Doe.. After 40 years, Judy Doe (1984) is now Identified

 

[theshadow45]

Belle Chasse John Doe has been unidentified for 50 years today.

 

[Tower]

This is a recent case from the South from around the same era (not quite a decade later) where someone's remains -possibly a teenager, too, but I haven't seen more info- where misidentified by family as being this missing woman's. In reality, she was still alive until 1984 and her remains weren't identified correctly until recently. It can perhaps happen the opposite way, too,- that family doesn't identify the Doe as their family member when they actually are? Perhaps? Anyway, it shows the perils of such identifications-or not- made by family members back in the day. It made me think of Belle Chasse John Doe.. After 40 years, Judy Doe (1984) is now Identified

I wonder how the family and coroner made the incorrect identification of the remains? What a sad situation, but maybe the other Doe will be identified now.

 

[Sweetluv]

February 14, 1975......50 years unidentified

 

[summergirl1]

I wonder how the family and coroner made the incorrect identification of the remains? What a sad situation, but maybe the other Doe will be identified now.

Apparently the identification wasn't as official as earlier articles made it sound. I didn't realize that until I read this article. However, it was enough to have her missing person's report removed which may have hindered in getting her identified when she was actually found in a different state a few years later-

DNA brings Florida murder victim back to her Arkansas family 40 years later | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

"Who was Judy Doe?" That question had haunted sheriff's investigators in Lake County, Fla., since a body was discovered there in 1984. The answer, officials announced on Jan. 29, was Rebecca Sue Hill, a teenage girl who had vanished from Arkansas some 40 years ago.

www.arkansasonline.com

I was refering to this case:Identified! - FL - Altoona, WhtFem Skeletal 126UFFL, 17-20, near Lake Dorr, Apr'84 - Rebecca Sue Hill

 

[Tower]

Apparently the identification wasn't as official as earlier articles made it sound. I didn't realize that until I read this article. However, it was enough to have her missing person's report removed which may have hindered in getting her identified when she was actually found in a different state a few years later-

DNA brings Florida murder victim back to her Arkansas family 40 years later | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

"Who was Judy Doe?" That question had haunted sheriff's investigators in Lake County, Fla., since a body was discovered there in 1984. The answer, officials announced on Jan. 29, was Rebecca Sue Hill, a teenage girl who had vanished from Arkansas some 40 years ago.

www.arkansasonline.com

I was refering to this case:Identified! - FL - Altoona, WhtFem Skeletal 126UFFL, 17-20, near Lake Dorr, Apr'84 - Rebecca Sue Hill

Thank you so much for the additional information. ETA: I can’t believe how that other UID was just assumed to be Rebecca. A clay reconstruction? And her siblings said even the reconstruction looked nothing like her.

Really helps us understand why Belle Chasse is still a mystery, too. Family may have all kinds of reasons why they want a Doe to be or not to be their loved one. A family cannot be objective.

 

[Sweetluv]

Now that it's been 50 years, is his autopsy report available? Bayard Cousins had a scar on one finger. I would be interested in knowing if this young man did too. I also want to know more about the injury inside the mouth. The one the resembled the injury in Charles Wallace's mouth.

 

[cenazoic]

Now that it's been 50 years, is his autopsy report available?

To our knowledge, all records, evidence, etc for BCJD were lost to flooding during Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

 

[LucyOso]

I suggest you read the entire two threads before 'correcting' anybody. Thank you, and thank you for taking an interest.

original thread #1 my post is 370 just to show how long I’ve been on this with theories and READINGGGG THE THREAD

Wallace’s mothers article is #625, #626 with newspaper proof

I’ll wait for an apology…

Lemme know if you need help

 

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[LucyOso]

Interesting long shot...travel was very different in 1970s. It would not be recorded as it is now.

He left a Hospital and could because he was an adult.

Did he try to start over? Thinking things would change? Then discovered after a year or so, nothing changed?

What frustrated me most in the last year was that I had built no ties to family or friends.

D

Australia Thread 'Australia - Michael (Micky) Ian Croaker, 18, Prince Henry Hospital, Little Bay, 20 Oct 1973'

Aug 15, 2020

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others
Aug 2020

Michael Croaker, who went missing in 1973, and his sister Trisha.(Supplied: Trisha Croaker)
''Saturday, October 20, 1973, was a significant day for many reasons.
''It was the day the Sydney Opera House was officially opened by Queen Elizabeth II, with more than half a million people lining the harbour foreshore to celebrate, flanked by thousands of police officers wrangling the jubilant crowds.

It was...

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Michael Ian Croaker | National Missing Persons

www.missingpersons.gov.au

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others

Michael Croaker went missing from a Sydney hospital in 1973. His family have never found answers — but it's hoped featuring him in the National Missing Persons Week campaign might bring fresh information.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Tower]

Interesting long shot...travel was very different in 1970s. It would not be recorded as it is now.

He left a Hospital and could because he was an adult.

Did he try to start over? Thinking things would change? Then discovered after a year or so, nothing changed?

What frustrated me most in the last year was that I had built no ties to family or friends.

D

Australia Thread 'Australia - Michael (Micky) Ian Croaker, 18, Prince Henry Hospital, Little Bay, 20 Oct 1973'

Aug 15, 2020

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others
Aug 2020

Michael Croaker, who went missing in 1973, and his sister Trisha.(Supplied: Trisha Croaker)
''Saturday, October 20, 1973, was a significant day for many reasons.
''It was the day the Sydney Opera House was officially opened by Queen Elizabeth II, with more than half a million people lining the harbour foreshore to celebrate, flanked by thousands of police officers wrangling the jubilant crowds.

It was...

• dotr
• Replies: 17
• Forum: 1970's Missing

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Michael Ian Croaker | National Missing Persons

www.missingpersons.gov.au

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others

Michael Croaker went missing from a Sydney hospital in 1973. His family have never found answers — but it's hoped featuring him in the National Missing Persons Week campaign might bring fresh information.

www.abc.net.au

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Really interesting, I’m not seeing a link between his writing style in the suicide letter and the description of Mick’s history, but I bet his sister would know if he could write in that style,

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Michael's case is so sad, but I don't think Belle Chasse John Doe 1975 could be Michael.

Michael disappeared from Australia. Why would he end up in Louisiana, USA? JMO.

I hope for a "miracle" and his sister finds out what happened to him, though.

 

[LucyOso]

Really interesting, I’m not seeing a link between his writing style in the suicide letter and the description of Mick’s history, but I bet his sister would know if he could write in that style,

It is interesting because the above article I posted, she noted he was developmentally delayed. But, in the note:

My brain always worked at cross-purposes to my real development. I refused to express any emotions or deal with people on a social basis. In effect, I refused to accept that I was an animal and that I needed social ties…
I was a withdrawn baby who became an unpleasant, withdrawn person. I have convinced myself and others that I am not capable of being an asset to society.
Autism has been mentioned before in thread. This could be a situation where this person had a colorful inner world, was extremely intelligent, but did not engage in others, hence the label of delayed.

If you pursue who I was (and spend hundreds of dollars) you will accomplish little.
Because the search is not in the United States?

than risk that later I will break and shatter by violence or linger years under care.

He was getting a psych evaluation. Shatter under violence-Sister noted he was bullied in many private schools....


Just some thoughts...

 

[LucyOso]

Michael's case is so sad, but I don't think Belle Chasse John Doe 1975 could be Michael.

Michael disappeared from Australia. Why would he end up in Louisiana, USA? JMO.

I hope for a "miracle" and his sister finds out what happened to him, though.

Many people travel. It is easy to do. People try to recreate themselves and escape.

 

[sunflowermomma]

I'm not a regular in this thread so my apologies if this has already been discussed. The mention of the Australian boy got my thinking about other international cases. What about Richard Riquier?

https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/mp-main.html?id=6526dmqc

Also, is anyone familiar with the 70s brands Puritan and Arrow? Could those be purchased in the US at the time?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

The mention of the Australian boy got my thinking about other international cases. What about Richard Riquier?

On Richard's thread, someone posted they found he's no longer missing, but I am honestly not familiar with Richard's case...

CANADA Thread 'Canada - Richard Riquier, 21, Montréal, QC, 17 April 1973'

Mar 21, 2022

Richard Damasse Riquier



Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: April 17, 1973
Location Last Seen: Montréal, Québec, Canada

Description:

• Date of Birth: 1952
• Age: 21 yrs
• Race: White/Caucasian
• Gender: Male
• Height: 180cm / 5 ft 11 in
• Weight: 59kg / 130lb
• Hair Color: Brown
• Eye Color: Brown
• Nickname/Alias: Unknown
• Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
• Clothing & Personal Items: Unknown
• Identifiers: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance:
Riquier was last seen in Montréal, Québec on April...

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[sunflowermomma]

I did find both brands Puritan and Arrow as manufactured and based in the US in the 70s, in PA and NY respectively. I don't know enough about the supply chain in the 70s to know if this could indicate our Doe is from the northeast, or if that's simply where US textile manufacturing has always been centered and is a red herring.

Puritan seems to be a fairly nice brand, I found some deadstock items on Etsy with original packaging and it seems to be high-end (but not designer).

 

[JSolt1210]

Interesting long shot...travel was very different in 1970s. It would not be recorded as it is now.

He left a Hospital and could because he was an adult.

Did he try to start over? Thinking things would change? Then discovered after a year or so, nothing changed?

What frustrated me most in the last year was that I had built no ties to family or friends.

D

Australia Thread 'Australia - Michael (Micky) Ian Croaker, 18, Prince Henry Hospital, Little Bay, 20 Oct 1973'

Aug 15, 2020

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others
Aug 2020

Michael Croaker, who went missing in 1973, and his sister Trisha.(Supplied: Trisha Croaker)
''Saturday, October 20, 1973, was a significant day for many reasons.
''It was the day the Sydney Opera House was officially opened by Queen Elizabeth II, with more than half a million people lining the harbour foreshore to celebrate, flanked by thousands of police officers wrangling the jubilant crowds.

It was...

• dotr
• Replies: 17
• Forum: 1970's Missing

• 

Michael Ian Croaker | National Missing Persons

www.missingpersons.gov.au

Mick disappeared, aged 18, in 1973 – his family want to stop the 'blanket of grief' happening to others

Michael Croaker went missing from a Sydney hospital in 1973. His family have never found answers — but it's hoped featuring him in the National Missing Persons Week campaign might bring fresh information.

www.abc.net.au

Honestly, at this point, your long shot is as good a guess as any.

This could be a situation reminiscent of the unsolved murder of Blair Adams. After several attempts to cross the Canada/US border, he managed to enter from Vancouver to Seattle where he purchased a round-trip ticket to Frankfurt, Germany. He then decided to change this ticket for a one-way trip to Washington DC, drove to Knox County, Tennessee, where he knew no one, and was subsequently murdered there by person(s) unknown.

Or like Gordon Lopez, who disappeared from Portland, Oregon and seems to have died in Chicago, Illinois near a theater named after his favorite author.

Similarly, Michael could've felt an affinity for New Orleans, Louisiana for some reason and decided to end his life there.