GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #3

[BeginnersLuck]

I'm going to sound awful here-

I'm big on personal accountability. MAS is not a child. Every step that she voluntarily took that led her to JL last week is her responsibility.

I have years of personal experience with people who assign responsibility for every negative event in their lives to any & everyone but themselves.

And MAS had a week to turn TS in, if she was simply a wasted observer. She undoubtedly has a phone, one of them showered in the past week, someone slept, they drove. How many seconds does it take to send a text that says 'help me'? Who shut down her FB page?

Whether or not she wielded a weapon, she led a woman to her grisly death. Awake & chatty and smiling while doing it.

Every time in the past week MAS had a chance to call LE or her father or send a text or a tweet or a FB status and *didn't* was an active choice, not a passive occurrence.

Refusing to act is an act.

Oh, I'm not making excuses for her. Just saying she may be freakin out scared to death either because of what she say or what she did.

 

[Vann]

I thought it was ok to post about Hillary and the Ball (was that her name) girl too. I read on one of the comments to either a news article or the Justice for Jaren Facebook page that Margaret was a best/close friend of Hillarys. ( Rumor alert )

I will always suspect that they are all related as long as this guy was in town!

Bessie????

I also read that they worked together and they were friends. Most importantly, there are quite a few dancers in the FQ that come up missing or dead. A portion of society considers them throw aways so there deaths are not investigated as they should be and get very little attention in the media. Jaren's case is all over the news because she was found in the next state. Too many states, counties and parishes involved to sweep it under the rug. Thank goodness for that

 

[missgulfsouth]

I agree that he didn't strike me as a murderer. To be honest, he didn't strike me as a " criminal" either. That being said, all you could claim I did was meet him. MAS brought him in once. I was working. They were hanging out. We didn't talk past introductions. I actually remember thinking that he was too "normal" for her.

Appearances are deceptive aren't they?

-Gary Ridgeway
-Ted Bundy
-Paul Bernardo
-Keith Jesperson
-John Norman Collins (I interviewed him)
-Derrick Todd Lee

And MANY more. Not every monster looks like Charles Manson.

 

[mahmoo]

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Originally Posted by missgulfsouth
If this has anything to do with the Hilary girl, you are probably best to refrain from posting about her.

I thought it was ok to post about Hillary and the Ball (was that her name) girl too. I read on one of the comments to either a news article or the Justice for Jaren Facebook page that Margaret was a best/close friend of Hillarys. ( Rumor alert )

I will always suspect that they are all related as long as this guy was in town!

Bessie????

Thank you for bringing this up tiredblondy ... I didn't realize either we were not allowed to discuss the other 2 cases. I bookmarked one of the news sites where Hillary's sister recently made a comment that her sister's case is still open and they believe Jarens death is related to Hillarys death. I would think if HM died of OD or natural causes her family would have known that from tox report/autopsy.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

If I get the ok from the Mods I will be glad to post for those that don't know whose initials these are. I have already been banned for just giving a link to something...

If you are speaking of the similarities in the Charles Atwood murder, yes, we are allowed to talk about them as per Bessie but not about what is going on with them right now on social media AKA video guy.

 

[melwltrs58]

Agreed. 100%. His escalation through the years is incredible. If this crime was committed in MS he won't go to Angola. Where would he end up?

Parchman

 

[tiredblondy]

I also read that they worked together and they were friends. Most importantly, there are quite a few dancers in the FQ that come up missing or dead. A portion of society considers them throw aways so there deaths are not investigated as they should be and get very little attention in the media. Jaren's case is all over the news because she was found in the next state. Too many states, counties and parishes involved to sweep it under the rug. Thank goodness for that

All the more reason for someone to think they could get away with it or continue to get away with it.

I think Jaren's sweet spirit is leading this investigation. That's why she wouldn't stay hidden!

 

[missgulfsouth]

Parchman on Death Row. And it's one of the hardest prisons in the US.

Wow, thanks for that info! Good to know it's a bad place to be. I'm not familiar, where is it located?

 

[mahmoo]

Understood, no problem! There are murders along the coast and girls surely go missing often in NOLA, but there has been nothing like this along here. Unless MAS and TS have changed their MO they probably haven't done this before. At least not here - he has been all over and I'd check for similar - (meaning picking up dancers prior to them missing and later found dismembered) - cases where he has been.

Murderers don't always use the same M.O.

 

[manzana]

Just when I was going to say I did not think these two did it something comes along and throws a monkey wrench in it. They just seemed to close to it all. TS being a door man for a couple of years, I admit he is a creep and a whole lot more BUT the leap to murder and dismemberment just did not seem like it was him..

Seemed more like he and MS were just a go-between or an introduction to what Nand said about a group and an encounter for money.

Now that it seems like Mississippi is going to be the crime scene, everything changes, No longer is the timeline of a body being disposed in NO and ending up in MS the case. If indeed it was done in MS then it could have come ashore almost immediately.

This whole thing reminds me of No Mercy with R Gere. Seems to me the dismemberment was never about concealing her identity but more so of a deprived mind. Hard to believe so much happened in about a 24 hour period of time. So in closing if there is actual video of them, TS, MAS,and JL in Mississippi, then I believe it happened in MS but the video may just end up being MSM getting it wrong. Has anyone seen so-called video?

 

[tiredblondy]

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Thank you for bringing this up tiredblondy ... I didn't realize either we were not allowed to discuss the other 2 cases. I bookmarked one of the news sites where Hillary's sister recently made a comment that her sister's case is still open and they believe Jarens death is related to Hillarys death. I would think if HM died of OD or natural causes her family would have known that from tox report/autopsy.

And... her case would be closed, but it isn't according to what I've read. Sorry I can't give a link because I've read soooooo much lately.

 

[tiredblondy]

Murderers don't always use the same M.O.

Yep and some escalate!

 

[ashsmith]

If there's no evidence in the house, where are the implements used to dismember the victim?

If JL was seen alive in Mississippi at some point in time after she left the club, it's still possible that there's a third or even fourth person involved. Or why not do it in the city?

Even if it wasn't planned, why drive? JL must have believed that whatever she'd been promised was waiting at the end of that drive.

Did they tell her there was a heavy hitter on the hook in Mississippi? Aren't there any girls in Mississipi?

I'm troubled that MAS hasn't given up a lot of info. Maybe she's not as fragile as she appears.

-Where are the tools?
-Why go to MS?
-Why JL, specifically?

She was a beautiful girl, but there must be other beautiful girls between where JL worked and Mississipi.

There's a reason they drove to Mississippi, in my opinion. And there's a reason it was Jaren they took there.

Pure conjecture, but perhaps the tools were dumped in the water with Jaren's body and sank.

Also, what if they killed her in MS and then freaked out about what to do with the body. Then, maybe they went to Wal-Mart to buy supplies (trash bags, cutting devices, etc.), which could be where they may be caught on surveillance cameras . . .

 

[BeginnersLuck]

As far as we know, TS was not working at this time was he? MAS was a street performer and I know they can make good money but it goes fast if you use drugs as it has been stated she does. So, how did they have money to live?

I'm guessing MAS was involved in something illegal. This illegal connection may have been the tie to what happened to Jaren.

 

[Vann]

Pure conjecture, but perhaps the tools were dumped in the water with Jaren's body and sank.

Also, what if they killed her in MS and then freaked out about what to do with the body. Then, maybe they went to Wal-Mart to buy supplies (trash bags, cutting devices, etc.), which could be where they may be caught on surveillance cameras . . .

The Walmart in bay st Louis is not open 24 hrs.

 

[Jcarothers]

Seemed more like he and MS were just a go-between or an introduction to what Nand said about a group and an encounter for money

Now that it seems like Mississippi is going to be the crime scene, everything changes, No longer is the timeline of a body being disposed in NO and ending up in MS the case. [/QUOTE]

I have a REALLY far stretch...

So looking into some other Temptation's girls' facebooks I found that they were all private, but their maps were public. One girl had checked into a nicer casinos on the coast - with pictures of gifts, nice dinners, new clothes - all throughout a 5 day period. This is along with pictures of the sunrise from a hotel room. What if he (or someone else) run girls from NOLA to "escort" big casino "whales" for a little company during their stay? Think about it, why would she go, or even stay in the car? $700? I doubt the POIs had that kind of money, and I'm sure JL knew that. But a 3-4 day trip to be a host of a high roller? That WOULD cost $700...

Again, completely far stretch, but it seems the most logical scenario to me.

 

[Vann]

All the more reason for someone to think they could get away with it or continue to get away with it.

I think Jaren's sweet spirit is leading this investigation. That's why she wouldn't stay hidden!

I agree 100% these girls deserve justice just like the rest of us. It is their birth right as an American citizen.

 

[Annie1004]

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Thank you for bringing this up tiredblondy ... I didn't realize either we were not allowed to discuss the other 2 cases. I bookmarked one of the news sites where Hillary's sister recently made a comment that her sister's case is still open and they believe Jarens death is related to Hillarys death. I would think if HM died of OD or natural causes her family would have known that from tox report/autopsy.

A poster said a thread back that HM died of a drug overdose. This poster had talked with HM about a year and a half ago and that she was in bad shape then. There is absolutely nothing besides HM's obituary that can be found online. Everything else appears to be speculation by those who knew HM, including her family. It could also be a case of LE not delving into the particulars of HM's death. Very sad. It could be another throw-away crime. MOO

 

[Mimiof8]

As I prepare to leave town for my 23 year old daughters wedding, I decided today to watch Jarens memorial video. I'm so very sad now for Jaren and her family, she was such a beautiful girl... the light just shines from her eyes in every picture. Now because of some selfish people (whomever they are) she will never have a wedding day, or watch her pretty daughter grow up. There are many more things, to many to mention that she will miss.

Someone asked earlier when and what to tell her daughter, I dont have the answer. I lost my husband when our daughter was 4. I still struggle with what to tell her and shes 13 now. I just take one day at a time and one question at a time.

Please give her an extra hug from my family.

 

[Annie1004]

The Walmart in bay st Louis is not open 24 hrs.

And JL was allegedly seen in the MS surveillance tape with TS and MAS before she died.