GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #3

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Does anyone have any firsthand info on the pier in Long Beach, MS?

Do people go fish there in the middle of the night, or could someone dump a body/weapon there unnoticed?

Is it the same pier as the one in the attached picture of Jaren?
 

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  • #883
Wasn't long beach the farthest point east that they found anything? I saw a map om
Nine someplace that marked the location but can't find it now anyone know how to access the map?
 
  • #884
The tide that night was moving West to East, so the remaining body parts would have moved by now.
 
  • #885
Maybe wishful thinking but would there be cameras on the piers where the boats are docked? Are these public or private docks? Sorry, I know nothing about this kind of thing.

I would think the bigger piers that are more used would have some sort of camera, but most of the smaller ones are private property. IMO The only cameras along the beach in BSL and Waveland would be either the casino or residental security cameras. There aren't any stores, so no available survelliance videos, on the beach from Bay St Louis to Waveland.
 
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Mahmoo, every time I read your name, I hear Zydeco music in my head.

Oh s’en allez à Grand Mamou
Jolis mondes, mais jolie fille
Moi j'connais j'mérite pas ça
Hey ha-ha, hey Mignonne
Oh mais moi j'men va,
Moi tout seul à Grand Mamou

:violin::Banane08::Banane57::Banane08::violin:
 
  • #888
Authorities in Hancock County, Miss., are asking businesses and residents along the Gulf Coast if they have seen this car, a forest green 2001 Chevy Lumina, from June 6 up until Jaren Lockhart's remains washed ashore in Bay St. Louis.


http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/-/9853400/15124106/-/868cj8z/-/index.html#ixzz1xty8YKvJ

Hmm. MAS & TS must not be saying squat

The longer they're quiet, the more I think another person was involved.

They know they are on video with the victim more than once, but they're evidently not talking about their activities up to their arrest.

I have several thoughts, but all wild speculation.

I'll await additional tidbits.
 
  • #889
Remind me specifically what day did JL leave the club with TS and MAS 200 am tues or wed
 
  • #890
:violin::Banane08::Banane57::Banane08::violin:

And that makes me think of the Banana Splits theme, so now I have a really weird piece of music stuck in my brain.

Zydeco Banana Splits.

:what: great!
 
  • #891
Does anyone have any firsthand info on the pier in Long Beach, MS?

Do people go fish there in the middle of the night, or could someone dump a body/weapon there unnoticed?

People are fishing at ALL times around here. From piers, boats, standing in the water, or off the sea wall.
 
  • #892
Remind me specifically what day did JL leave the club with TS and MAS 200 am tues or wed

Reported missing the 6th, so it was Wednesday morning.
 
  • #893
That pier in the picture is not located in LB. I am very familiar with the PC and LB area. There are no longer any private piers in LB or PC since Katrina hit. Being that it is summer, there are people fishing off the piers all the time. Especially in the early morning hours (sunrise), that is the best time to go fishing. I am pretty sure there are not cameras on the piers but, I am sure camera are in the harbor. Also, harbor patrol is constantly patrolling the harbor and surrounding areas.
 
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My gut is telling me it had nothing to do about Money either. JL knew something. And TS wanted her quite IMHO

But if the other woman is telling the truth, they were simply seeking a victim. They may have known that Jaren might respond to an offer of money, but otherwise I don't think it was specific...JMO
 
  • #896
Sorry. I'm not following. The last body part was found in Pass Christian. Long Beach is east of Pass Christian.


BBM: This article from 06/09 says that

"Harrison County Coroner Gary Hargrove said a fisherman found a a portion of a lower leg, the calf, on the beach near Emerald Avenue at 6:02 a.m. Saturday.

Authorities then found an upper leg near Holiday Drive and a head near Pitcher Point in Long Beach.

Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2012/06/09/3997785/remains-found-along-coast-identified.html
 
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Does anyone think there was no party n this is what could have led to an argument? Jl wasn't dumb n although always smiling, was not one to keep quiet.

I don't think they lead JL out to party at all. I think there was an argument about possibly things JL knew and maybe had told MAS she knew. Who in turn told TS . That is why I think they went there with one thing in mind.IMHO
 
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Your post made me remember something that I was wanting to broach earlier in response to some of the posts that were questioning would Jaren have really willingly gone off with anyone, period given the fact that as we know her bf/fiance of nearly 8 years with whom she had a 3 year old daughter with.. he was back at the motel and would have been expecting her back as soon as her shift at the club was over..

So, thanks for once again bringing this up that the bf would have been expecting her.. below Ill post a snipped quote that backs up that Jaren at times did stay away for a few days at a time.. it doesn't state what those reasons were but does state that she did do so at times.. I also want to add some other thoughts on upon knowing now this did in fact occur(how frequent? ..i do not know and it does not say) ..I want to say that IMO its quite clear given the long term relationship that was present between these two IMO shows that he clearly understood Jaren's job.. meaning that many bf/fiance/husbands are not at all understanding about their significant other having a job in this industry and do not handle it well.. that does not at all appear to be the case here with Jaren and her bf.. i believe that for whatever reasons he understood her job, and even possibly understood or accepted the territory that many times comes along with the job..

It is not at all unusual for the girls to be offered a wide range of side jobs, private parties, “extras"..this is very much a part of the landscape, tho let me be clear in saying that while it is very much a part of the landscape that does NOT however mean that all girls choose to participate in any of the outside of the club activities.. I've known girls that very much did participate in those extras, some with reckless abandon would take up offers from perfect strangers, with no concern whatsoever for what "could" happen in her choosing to go off with perfect strangers in order to make the extra bucks. Other girls I know are NO WAY EVER.. no matter how good the offer is they just do not feel comfortable in any capacity to take part in these extra offers.. IMO it differs from girl to girl whether or not they may be up for going off for these private parties for the extra bucks.. or not take part in them at all.. some girls only do so with those who she feels she knows on certain level.. regulars.. friends of a friend.. this type of situation where they feel they are not risking their safety to make some extra cash.. from what I know it certainly seems as one of the more "safe" situations are when it is a couple(husband/wife, man/woman) that are purposing the offer of a private party, extra, after hours gig.. one of my friends that's been in the biz for nearly a decade feels comfortable taking part in this extra money making ONLY IF ITS A COUPLE.. tho, I personally have told her that is definitely no guarantee either.. but in her head.. and in her experiences thus far she feels comfortable doing it..

All of that said...I'm not stating that Jaren did this.. but I am saying I believe anyone posting here will tell you that this is very much part of the scene in the industry.. some take part in it in only very specific, certain stipulated arrangements and only will do so if the money is well worth their time and effort.. others are not near as particular and are willing to make those extra bucks any time the offer is there for the right amount of moolah ..and yet still others who never, under any circumstance take part in any business offer that is outside the club, after hours, etc.. as with anything else its a wide range of a spectrum and differs from each individual as to what level of comfort they may have in making extra income outside of what the club takes their big ol cut from..

I do find it plausible to theorize on this to possibly be what got Jaren out of the club that night with Speaks/Sanchez.. we now know for a fact that prior to their entering Temptations they were next door at Stilettos and MAS made very clear to Sheila what she was propositioning in wanting Sheila to accompany her and Speaks back home.. she made clear that this wasn't new or a first time deal for Speaks/Sanchez and even told Sheila she looked alot like another girl who Speaks/Sanchez had taken home with them on a different night.. we also know that when the continued proposition of a "private party" for the 3 of them that Sheila continued to decline therefore IMO MAS then comes to Sheila with an entirely different proposition about an event across town and that they'd pay Sheila $700 to go with them.. that too was declined and at some point they got the hint and left out of Stilettos.. sadly we know they went on to Temptations where they quickly IMO laid out the bait.. and had Jaren hook, line, and sinker 17 short minutes later as they all 3 left the club together.
we don't know what particular proposition they used with Jaren was it as they'd done with Sheila and made known they waned a girl to privately party with the two of them outside and away from the club.. or did they use the ruse that they'd last used on Sheila about their being an event or party they'd take her to where she'd make $700..we don't know which they used with Jaren but sadly whatever it was sounded just right to Jaren in that moment in time and here was Speaks someone who'd many times walked her out after her early morning shift.. her protector.. someone she knew for quite some time.. and had a level of trust with..

My entire point in this now way overly long post is that IMO for Jaren to go out after work whether it be to make some extra cash or whether it be to head to a gal pals place to drink and party a little before crashing.. either way it wasn't unheard of for Jaren to not go directly back to the motel room she shared with her bf..and that her bf was fully aware of this as well.. IMO it was only way later as in some point Wednesday evening when Jaren had still never made it back to the motel.. and most concerning being that her bf could not reach her and no one she'd worked with or was friends with had seen or heard from her at all and no one could reach her.. its at that point when he knew something had gone terribly Wrong.. she wasn't just crashing at a friends and if she had gone out to make extra money after her shift.. either way he knew that something was wrong. And he at that point did not hesitate to contact the police and a MISSING PERSONS REPORT was filed..

Below is the quote I spoke about above.. followed by a link to full article:

http://www.bustedinacadiana.com/2012/06/family-anf-friends-mourn-the-loss-of-jaren-lockhart-video/

I see. So if she thought she was going to be late (past 3:30 AM or so) she wouldn't need to call? Surely, the other times Jaren had stayed away for a few days, she had told someone of her whereabouts because nobody called the police those times.

I wonder why the bf/fiance was THAT concerned at 8AM (is that correct?) that something bad had happened to Jaren. She must have been in the habit of telling him her plans if they changed from coming straight home. Otherwise, he'd wake up and she'd be there. So, I can understand his concern.

Yet he had to check out immediately because he didn't have $50. to pay to stay past check out for the next day. The night clerk said he never saw him again.

Has he been cleared? His name has not been released or did I miss it? Did someone say he gave an interview on TV? If so, is a link available?
 
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Then if she was reported missing on 6/6 and torso was found near BSL on 6/7 around 5:30pm if I recall correctly. My best estimate would have someone putting her body in the water late Wed night or early Thur AM. With an in coming west to east tide/current I would guess the point she went in was west of the entrance to BSL. IMO I think she was killed early Wed am and moved/dismembered later on Wed pm or early Thur am. Does that sound logical?
 
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