LA LA - Judy Ann Gary, 19, St. Martinville, 1 August 1986

[Finding Magness]

When Laura said that Judy told her she wanted to leave Eric, did she indicate whether or not she meant with Rickey? Does Laura know if Judy would run away and leave Rickey behind?

This goes back to the "green cards" I mentioned that reference complaints and incidents at the police station.
There were several other reports on those cards. Some by Eric stating that Judy took Rickey and left and Eric wanted him back. Some were by Judy, stating Eric took Rickey to his parents and wouldn't bring him back.

IMO Rickey became the pawn. Judy would have taken Rickey with her had she planned to leave Eric. I truly believe that Eric would not have left Rickey at his MIL house to look for Judy for that long if he thought Judy would be back to get him. The statement that Judy had left with Richard Franks was made on August 2nd by Eric. So he thought she had left him for another man and left Rickey alone?

 

[Finding Magness]

St. Martinville is still a walkable town today. There’s no city bus transportation. I wonder if Judy had a stroller and a carrier that could be attached. Hamilton Street and the Hospital Pharmacy is a short walk.

The drive to Linden Lewis is approximately 23 minutes. The walk in Louisiana humidity would be miserable.
Rickey was 18 months old, a walking toddler.
I don't think Rickey was ever on the porch. I think he hadn't left Judy's mother's house yet. Something tells me Eric wanted an alibi.
IMO

 

[Finding Magness]

I am pretty certain this is Crawfish Hole #3 but it's doozie

Curtis Joseph Gary Jr is Judy's first cousin.
Curtis's son Ronald Gary is a year younger that Judy.
Both Curtis and Ronald have a history of violence.
Both Ronald and Curtis were in relationships with Mary Ann, Judy's sister and Bernadine Judy's SIL.
I have been requesting that the police speak to Ronald Gary.
He has told me “that was a long time ago” when I asked him to share the flyer in the beginning.
He has been the only family member that hasn't shared it.
He has a history of violence and has been charged with felonies in both Louisiana and Florida.
Ronald Gary is currently living in Kaplan and is also tied to Kimberly LeBoueff.
Kimberly is Bernadine’s daughter Bethany’s “Aunt”
Kimberly has a daughter with Ronald Gary and married his brother Dwayne.
She is also tied to Moreaux’s and Segura’s (T-John Trailer Park in New Iberia)
Bethany Gary believes Ronald Gary is a contractor working with Kimberly’s brother.
Ronald used to be a boxer and ran in the same circle as Richard Franks.
Richard Franks was the gentleman that Eric reported to St. Martinville police in 1986 that Judy had left him for. When asked now he said he does not know who that is and he never reported that to the police.
***I will elaborate on this tomorrow T-John Trailer Park in New Iberia***

 

[Rush4087]

If Laura said that an officer possibly named Paula - who we think might later have became Chief of St Martinsville PD (this would perhaps be Paula Smith who served as chief for 10 years (approx 2007-2017?), but who had been a member of the department for 37 years) served a warrant approx about a week after Judy went missing at a house located a few streets away from Laura’s on Hamilton and said (even if it was only a third hand report) that she (Paula) saw Judy at that house and that Judy was “okay” - it obviously changes a lot.

(Is that what you had suggested had possibly happened when you mention Paula and the warrant?)

If I’ve got the right Paula Smith, I believe she is approx age 70 and still lives in town after retiring as Chief in 2017. I would think that Paula Smith might be a good person to interview - not only about that day (of the warrant) amd that house and the person she apparently thought was Laura , but about the investigation (or no investigation) into Judy’s disappearance over the years.

I guess it could be though, that since nobody at St Martinsville PD even seemed to be aware of Judy Ann Gary as a missing person until 2022, Paula would know absolutely nothing.

But she (Paula) might know of some shady characters within the PD over the years who might fit the profile of an officer who might’ve been going by Steven and Shirley Broussard’s house, or who was too close Judy

One last very out there thought re: Paula Smith… when ER had talked of going out to a house with Judy and visiting a Pam Smith and “big cop” (the tall handsome Caucasian guy), (this was th couple that ER seemed to think had wanted to “cross breed” or do “swapping” with,.. )

Although Paula Smith is black, could she have been the “Pam” that ER referred to (sounds like he was unsure of the name… and I don’t think I’ve read anywhere his description of “Pam” if he ever indeed described her. Maybe when ER said “cross breed” he meant “cross breed”?

Jmo

 

[Rush4087]

I am pretty certain this is Crawfish Hole #3 but it's doozie
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Curtis Joseph Gary Jr is Judy's first cousin.
Curtis's son Ronald Gary is a year younger that Judy.
Both Curtis and Ronald have a history of violence.
Both Ronald and Curtis were in relationships with Mary Ann, Judy's sister and Bernadine Judy's SIL.
I have been requesting that the police speak to Ronald Gary.
He has told me “that was a long time ago” when I asked him to share the flyer in the beginning.
He has been the only family member that hasn't shared it.
He has a history of violence and has been charged with felonies in both Louisiana and Florida.
Ronald Gary is currently living in Kaplan and is also tied to Kimberly LeBoueff.
Kimberly is Bernadine’s daughter Bethany’s “Aunt”
Kimberly has a daughter with Ronald Gary and married his brother Dwayne.
She is also tied to Moreaux’s and Segura’s (T-John Trailer Park in New Iberia)
Bethany Gary believes Ronald Gary is a contractor working with Kimberly’s brother.
Ronald used to be a boxer and ran in the same circle as Richard Franks.
Richard Franks was the gentleman that Eric reported to St. Martinville police in 1986 that Judy had left him for. When asked now he said he does not know who that is and he never reported that to the police.
***I will elaborate on this tomorrow T-John Trailer Park in New Iberia***

You’ve gotta be kidding

 

[Brightchaser47]

Finding Magness, I don't know how in the world you keep all the genealogy straight-- you lost me waaay back there, lol! Just shaking my head!

 

[Brightchaser47]

This goes back to the "green cards" I mentioned that reference complaints and incidents at the police station.
There were several other reports on those cards. Some by Eric stating that Judy took Rickey and left and Eric wanted him back. Some were by Judy, stating Eric took Rickey to his parents and wouldn't bring him back.

What's the longest either of them stayed gone when they did this?

IMO Rickey became the pawn. Judy would have taken Rickey with her had she planned to leave Eric. I truly believe that Eric would not have left Rickey at his MIL house to look for Judy for that long if he thought Judy would be back to get him.

Are you suggesting Eric knew Judy wasn't coming back?

 

[Rush4087]

When you suggested that Ronald Gary not only was / is violent and “was a former boxer and ran in the same circle as Richard Franks”, it obviously casts a bad light on Richard Franks and others in his “circle”

Up till now, and primarily based on your earlier posts, I have considered Richard Franks to be out of the picture; a rabbit hole. Now I’m not so sure. Did Franks own a dark 4 door car? Did Judy know him?

Did ER and Richard Franks know each other? If LE is sure ER made actually made the report stating that his wife had basically been taken by Richard Franks, he had to have at least known OF Richard Franks.

If ER told the police (again, on the green card) that Franks took his wife, it seems ER would’ve hated Franks. Also seems Judy would’ve been seen around town, as Franks only lived a couple of miles away

Could the house where Paula supposedly served the warrant have been Richard Franks’ house? Though I guess it would’ve been more than a few streets away

Who else do you think was in Ronald Gary and Richard Franks’ “circle”, and what was the circle” known to do?

And (totally unrelated), what was ER’s boss’s name (from back when ER worked in Lafayette). Could he have been involved in Judy’s disappearance?

It’s hard to discuss this case without going off in tangents and down rabbit holes that threatens to derail everything - because there are seemingly hundreds of them.

All jmo

 

[Brightchaser47]

Did ER and Franks know each other? If LE is sure ER made the report saying his wif had basically been take by Richard Franks, he had to have at least known OF Richard Franks.

I agree. Since Eric backtracked so fiercely about the statement LE says he made, I'd say he not only knows of him, but was possibly threatened  by him-- especially if Eric was using him as a scapegoat and word got around. I imagine Franks had connections. jmo

If ER had told the police (again, on the green card) that Franks took his wife, seems ER would’ve hated Franks. Also seems Judy would’ve been seen around town, as Franks only lived a couple of miles away

Good points. Did Franks own property elsewhere?

 

[Finding Magness]

If Laura said that an officer possibly named Paula - who we think might later have became Chief of St Martinsville PD (this would perhaps be Paula Smith who served as chief for 10 years (approx 2007-2017?), but who had been a member of the department for 37 years) served a warrant approx about a week after Judy went missing at a house located a few streets away from Laura’s on Hamilton and said (even if it was only a third hand report) that she (Paula) saw Judy at that house and that Judy was “okay” - it obviously changes a lot.

You are correct this is the same Paula.

If I’ve got the right Paula Smith, I believe she is approx age 70 and still lives in town after retiring as Chief in 2017. I would think that Paula Smith might be a good person to interview - not only about that day (of the warrant) amd that house and the person she apparently thought was Laura , but about the investigation (or no investigation) into Judy’s disappearance over the years.

When the Detective that was first appointed to the case questioned her Paula did not remember ever telling the family she saw her.
When the second Detective tried contacting her twice she did not respond.

I guess it could be though, that since nobody at St Martinsville PD even seemed to be aware of Judy Ann Gary as a missing person until 2022, Paula would know absolutely nothing.

But she (Paula) might know of some shady characters within the PD over the years who might fit the profile of an officer who might’ve been going by Steven and Shirley Broussard’s house, or who was too close Judy

Laura was pretty upset and confused when Paula didn't remember telling the family she had seen her.
Laura remembers her saying it was in a green shotgun house on Labbe Rd. There are two Labbes. One is in city limits and the other is Isle of Labbe Rd which falls just out of Paula's jurisdiction. Isle of Labbe had a green shotgun house halfway down the street and Laura remembers driving by it constantly hoping to see something or to see Judy.

But she (Paula) might know of some shady characters within the PD over the years who might fit the profile of an officer who might’ve been going by Steven and Shirley Broussard’s house, or who was too close Judy

I agree. Paula is also best friends with the Chief's secretary Laura Broussard. She is the one that disposed of the files prior to 1996.

One last very out there thought re: Paula Smith… when ER had talked of going out to a house with Judy and visiting a Pam Smith and “big cop” (the tall handsome Caucasian guy), (this was th couple that ER seemed to think had wanted to “cross breed” or do “swapping” with,.. )

Although Paula Smith is black, could she have been the “Pam” that ER referred to (sounds like he was unsure of the name… and I don’t think I’ve read anywhere his description of “Pam” if he ever indeed described her. Maybe when ER said “cross breed” he meant “cross breed”?

He described her as white and "not a bad looking woman".

 

[Finding Magness]

Finding Magness, I don't know how in the world you keep all the genealogy straight-- you lost me waaay back there, lol! Just shaking my head!

Judy's son has over 1000 first cousins by it's definition in centimorgans. The tree has a complete pedigree collapse.

 

[Finding Magness]

What's the longest either of them stayed gone when they did this?

One week according to her sisters. Judy went to her mother's so they always knew where she was.

Are you suggesting Eric knew Judy wasn't coming back?

IMO
Yes, or else he would have taken Rickey with him if he thought she had left him for another man like he told the police.

 

[Finding Magness]

Up till now, and primarily based on your earlier posts, I have considered Richard Franks to be out of the picture; a rabbit hole. Now I’m not so sure. Did Franks own a dark 4 door car? Did Judy know him?

Richard Franks (July 14, 1957 - April 4, 2007)
Richard Franks owned a 4 door green car.

I found this out when I spoke to the woman he was married to at the time. He was a womanizer but not a violent one according to her. He would meet a woman, have his fun with them for a week or two but already have the next relationship lined up before he walked out of her door into the next. Richard Franks wife said he was never violent until the early 90's when she heard he had hit a partner and broke her nose. By that time, according to her, he was heavily into drugs.
IMO Judy may have had a fling with him and Eric found out and used him as a scapegoat. That's why he doesn't remember that lie.
I have asked Laura, Shirley and Ba'Boy and none of them knew that name.

Did ER and Richard Franks know each other? If LE is sure ER made actually made the report stating that his wife had basically been taken by Richard Franks, he had to have at least known OF Richard Franks.

Eric said he does not know him.

If ER told the police (again, on the green card) that Franks took his wife, it seems ER would’ve hated Franks. Also seems Judy would’ve been seen around town, as Franks only lived a couple of miles away

I agree! I would NEVER forget the name of the person my spouse left me and deserted our child for.

Could the house where Paula supposedly served the warrant have been Richard Franks’ house? Though I guess it would’ve been more than a few streets away

It's hard to say since Paula told the first detective it never happened.

Who else do you think was in Ronald Gary and Richard Franks’ “circle”, and what was the circle” known to do?

I don't know which boxing club they were in together and he won't talk to me.

And (totally unrelated), what was ER’s boss’s name (from back when ER worked in Lafayette). Could he have been involved in Judy’s disappearance?

It was Dugals Nursery
I believe it was this son.

Michael "Brent" Dugal
September 2, 1955- June 10, 2011

IMO There are so many people surrounding her that could have hurt her.

 

[Rush4087]

You are correct this is the same Paula.

When the Detective that was first appointed to the case questioned her Paula did not remember ever telling the family she saw her.
When the second Detective tried contacting her twice she did not respond.

Laura was pretty upset and confused when Paula didn't remember telling the family she had seen her.
Laura remembers her saying it was in a green shotgun house on Labbe Rd. There are two Labbes. One is in city limits and the other is Isle of Labbe Rd which falls just out of Paula's jurisdiction. Isle of Labbe had a green shotgun house halfway down the street and Laura remembers driving by it constantly hoping to see something or to see Judy.

I agree. Paula is also best friends with the Chief's secretary Laura Broussard. She is the one that disposed of the files prior to 1996.

He described her as white and "not a bad looking woman".

So ER’s “Pam”, if there ever was such a person, was not Paula Smith

Jmo

 

[Rush4087]

You are correct this is the same Paula.

When the Detective that was first appointed to the case questioned her Paula did not remember ever telling the family she saw her.
When the second Detective tried contacting her twice she did not respond.

Laura was pretty upset and confused when Paula didn't remember telling the family she had seen her.
Laura remembers her saying it was in a green shotgun house on Labbe Rd. There are two Labbes. One is in city limits and the other is Isle of Labbe Rd which falls just out of Paula's jurisdiction. Isle of Labbe had a green shotgun house halfway down the street and Laura remembers driving by it constantly hoping to see something or to see Judy.

I agree. Paula is also best friends with the Chief's secretary Laura Broussard. She is the one that disposed of the files prior to 1996.

He described her as white and "not a bad looking woman".

Is Laura Broussard related to Ted Broussard (former landlord to Judy, Laura, and their mom; long time Broussard PD officer, and eventual Broussard assistant chief)?

Jmo

 

[Rush4087]

Are there any Hospital Pharmacy records from back then?

Jmo

 

[Brightchaser47]

You are correct this is the same Paula.

When the Detective that was first appointed to the case questioned her Paula did not remember ever telling the family she saw her.
When the second Detective tried contacting her twice she did not respond.

Laura was pretty upset and confused when Paula didn't remember telling the family she had seen her.
Laura remembers her saying it was in a green shotgun house on Labbe Rd. There are two Labbes. One is in city limits and the other is Isle of Labbe Rd which falls just out of Paula's jurisdiction. Isle of Labbe had a green shotgun house halfway down the street and Laura remembers driving by it constantly hoping to see something or to see Judy.

I agree. Paula is also best friends with the Chief's secretary Laura Broussard. She is the one that disposed of the files prior to 1996.

Laura seems pretty credible, so the question is: why did Paula change her tune ? Was she warned to or was she voluntarily protecting someone ?

 

[Rush4087]

Is Laura Broussard related to Ted Broussard (former landlord to Judy, Laura, and their mom; long time Broussard PD officer, and eventual Broussard assistant chief)?

Jmo

And for that matter, is either one related to sex offender Steve Broussard who was married to Shirley and who apparently had been having sex with Judy since she was a child?

I think you said Shirley was 16 years older than Judy, and Steve was 6 years older than Shirley. I know you said Shirley “acknowledged it” (the abuse, rape) after Steve was dead (and in hell I hope), but did Shirley know about? While it was happening? All when SHE, Judy’s big sister, was her nanny?! Off topic (and unrelated to the Broussard relationship question I asked at the top of this post) but why isn’t Shirley Ann Gary Broussard in jail?

Jmo

 

[Brightchaser47]

but why isn’t Shirley Ann Gary Broussard in jail?

Jmo

A) someone has to be willing to press charges
B) you need evidence (although in this case, the DNA trail might do it )
C) Local LE may have turned a blind eye to things (especially if they were into it themselves)
ETA: If what's been shared is the tip of the iceberg (and I'm sure it is), LOTS of people should be in jail!
JMO

 

[Finding Magness]

I agree. Since Eric backtracked so fiercely about the statement LE says he made, I'd say he not only knows of him, but was possibly threatened  by him-- especially if Eric was using him as a scapegoat and word got around. I imagine Franks had connections. jmo

Good points. Did Franks own property elsewhere?

JMO If Judy had met Richard Franks it would have been a very short fling since he jumped relationships so frequently. I can't help but wonder if Ronald Gary told Eric he had seen them together. The address on Washington was the only house I could find where he lived and it wasn't for long. I believe he was from New Iberia.