LA - Officer fatally shoots Alton Sterling outside store, Baton Rouge, 2016

[drjones]

OK - so what in the video shows he needed to be 'taken out'?

by "taken out" you mean tased? how could i know that? the video begins with him being tased.

 

[drjones]

That's not what happened, unless you can supply video where officers threatened to tase him. From start of video that I have heard, you hear a taser shot, then get on the ground said twice followed by a second taser shot. It is while on the ground that Officer issues a warning followed immediately by gunfire. I did not hear a warning before tasing. I am sure there will be much more video to follow up.

ok so take out threatened, they decided they needed to tase him, changes nothing. when i said "it seems clear" i guess i should have taken care to say "it seems clear TO ME IMO JMO"

so just to be clear - my post did not state as fact that there was a warning given before tasing, i have repeatedly stated and it is obvious to anyone that has watched the video that it begins with the tasing and we know nothing about what happened prior

 

[Woodland]

ok so take out threatened, they decided they needed to tase him, changes nothing. when i said "it seems clear" i guess i should have taken care to say "it seems clear TO ME IMO JMO"

Changes everything imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

Did we have a misunderstanding? It sounded as if you were saying that police often claim that someone was going for a gun when they were not. Was that incorrect?

I'm sorry for all this confusion. I'll try to clear it up:

Yes, they claim that. Yes, they shoot people and say the person was going for a gun or lunging, or whatever, and sometimes the person isn't even armed or we see video and it's obvious the person wasn't reaching for a weapon or lunging for the officer's weapon. Why do they shoot? Who knows. We only know the reasons they give us and those can vary.

If you are going to claim they don't do this - I would suggest researching a few more cases. "Often" is subjective... I would say it happens too often, others might say different.

 

[drjones]

Changes everything imo.

please explain if you can.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I'm sorry for all this confusion. I'll try to clear it up:

Yes, they claim that. Yes, they shoot people and say the person was going for a gun or lunging, or whatever, and sometimes the person isn't even armed or we see video and it's obvious the person wasn't reaching for a weapon or lunging for the officer's weapon. Why do they shoot? Who knows. We only know the reasons they give us and those can vary.

If you are going to claim they don't do this - I would suggest researching a few more cases. "Often" is subjective... I would say it happens too often, others might say different.

O.T

Agree. We will now probably all be on forced vacations by Sunday night. Lol. Thanks Blues.

Wink wink.

 

[Doghairrules]

Convicted sex offender, gang banger with a gun.

That is all.

MOO!

So he deserves the death penalty? You aren't disturbed that police shot him at point blank range when he was already restrained?


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[bluesneakers]

O.T

Agree. We will now probably all be on forced vacations by Sunday night. Lol. Thanks Blues.

Wink wink.

:loveyou:

Save me a seat at the cool kids table.

 

[Elley Mae]

.00:26 dispatch says he has a gun in his pocket. Directly after that Dispatch says a gun was pulled on him,> (complainant)Complainant siad he was told by alton that he couldn't be around there, I wonder who he (alton) thought he was? Listen to it. It was justifiable. jmo


video at link.
http://www.wafb.com/story/32384244/sterling-shootingpolice-dispatch-tapes-obtained

 

[perfectingpink]

new video. warning - this one is more graphic than the other one.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

Does anyone else think Alton was still trying to reach in his right pocket with his left hand after he was shot? I am not saying that is what happened, but what was he doing?

 

[drjones]

So he deserves the death penalty? You aren't disturbed that police shot him at point blank range when he was already restrained?


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the second video appears to show that he is still struggling with his right arm until just about the time he is shot. the gun was recovered from his right pocket.

 

[drjones]

Does anyone else think Alton was still trying to reach in his right pocket with his left hand after he was shot? I am not saying that is what happened, but what was he doing?

i cant say, i think it is just as likely that it was involuntary movement.

 

[Elley Mae]

IDK Sometimes it's as if some would like to see the cop get shot and the suspect walk away, I mean run away. jmo I can't imagine what the world would look like with the likes of alton telling ppl to leave from the front of a store parking lot. cause it's interrupting his business on private property that does not belong to him. Amazing.

 

[drjones]

one other way that it is legitimate to bring up his criminal history after the fact is because it addresses the question "why would he resist? why would he try to pull a gun?"

it is reasonable to speculate that because he has a long criminal history, and had been in jail before, that he may have been aware he was going to be going back to jail, and possibly for a long time, if he was arrested? he would have been facing multiple felonies...

 

[Woodland]

IDK Sometimes it's as if some would like to see the cop get shot and the suspect walk away, I mean run away. jmo I can't imagine what the world would look like with the likes of alton telling ppl to leave from the front of a store parking lot. cause it's interrupting his business on private property that does not belong to him. Amazing.

With all due respect, this is a 'common' fall back statement when some question an LE shooting when a person is on the ground and no gun is present. Are you able to quote a post that states someone would like to see LE shot?

 

[Elley Mae]

Sterling shooting: Police dispatch tapes obtained


http://www.wafb.com/story/32384244/sterling-shootingpolice-dispatch-tapes-obtained

Sterling's mother revealed to the media that Sterling had a prior history with police that included felony arrests. Court records show his arrest history includes:

9/09/96 aggravated battery
10/31/97 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 simple battery
5/04/00 public intimidation
9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 domestic violence
5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 receiving stolen things
9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession

bbm

In Louisiana, about 160 habitual offenders whose most recent crime involved nothing more harmful than marijuana are serving 20 years or more.



http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/05/tough_sentencing_laws_keep_lou.html


RS 14:95.1
http://www.legis.la.gov/legis/law.aspx?d=78740

I am not sure why he (alton) wasn't in jail.

 

[Elley Mae]

With all due respect, this is a 'common' fall back statement when some question an LE shooting when a person is on the ground and no gun is present. Are you able to quote a post that states someone would like to see LE shot?

That's your opine, not mine.

 

[Elley Mae]

With all due respect, this is a 'common' fall back statement when some question an LE shooting when a person is on the ground and no gun is present. Are you able to quote a post that states someone would like to see LE shot?

Resisting arrest is enough for me.

 

[al66pine]

one other way that it is legitimate to bring up his criminal history after the fact is because it addresses the question "why would he resist? why would he try to pull a gun?"
it is reasonable to speculate that because he has a long criminal history, and had been in jail before, that he may have been aware he was going to be going back to jail, and possibly for a long time, if he was arrested? he would have been facing multiple felonies...

^ bbm. Glad Elley Mae posted ^ list of arrests Thank you, Elley Mae.
17 arrests in LA in ~20 yrs.
Questions:
1. Any convictions?
2.Did AS serve time in jail or in st. or fed prison for any of those?
3. Were one or both of these BRPD officers familiar w AS' criminal arrests? Some or all?
4. By having personally arrested him? By LEO grapevine?

Just wondering

 

[Woodland]

one other way that it is legitimate to bring up his criminal history after the fact is because it addresses the question "why would he resist? why would he try to pull a gun?"

it is reasonable to speculate that because he has a long criminal history, and had been in jail before, that he may have been aware he was going to be going back to jail, and possibly for a long time, if he was arrested? he would have been facing multiple felonies...

With all due respect you are stating he was resisting and pulling a gun in the same statement. Do you have a link for that? If so, a link to what he may have been aware of would be equally helpful. Tia.