LA - Officer fatally shoots Alton Sterling outside store, Baton Rouge, 2016

[drjones]

a hi-res version of the new video, in which you can clearly see the man's right hand unrestrained;

once again - warning graphic;

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHiS9P6j1Qx/?hl=en

 

[drjones]

i think the hi-res version makes it clear that his arm movement at the end is probably just involuntary spasming

 

[katydid23]

If you are talking about habitual offenders then my guess would be that those were cases where marijuana possession and/or distribution was a violation of their parole, and the sentence they are serving is actually the sentence from a more serious prior offense.

We have no evidence that Alton was on restrictions of any kind. His most serious brushes with the law seem to have mostly occurred prior to 2009.

Although there was the 'Failure to register as a ex offender' two times, and possession of ecstasy. So he was still breaking the law, in my opinion. And he was carrying a weapon when I doubt he was allowed to have one.

 

[scmom]

I don't see how he could possibly have been shot in the back? And his right arm was moving before he was shot.

 

[drjones]

Did the police actually say that he was reaching into his pocket for a gun? I heard 'gun' 'he has a gun'. Was this just a warning to his partner that a gun was in his (AS) pocket and partner took it to mean that a gun was pulled?
Store owner said that police later removed gun from the pocket of AS.

yes, he clearly says "he's going for the gun", although it could not be any clearer to me i guess i still have to say its my opinion that in the video the officer very obviously states "he's going for the gun"

 

[drjones]

I don't see how he could possibly have been shot in the back? And his right arm was moving before he was shot.

after the first shots we lost sight of what happens on both videos, but one officer again yells "get on the ground" and then there are more shots.

it is possible Sterling began to sit up and in doing so exposed his back to the officer we see on the ground when the camera is back on them.

 

[al66pine]

So he deserves the death penalty? You aren't disturbed that police shot him at point blank range when he was already restrained?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

AS was already restrained?
In the articles I've read, I missed any ref to handcuffs being on AS. Ditto the vid's I've seen.
Can someone link to & quote LE saying he was in handcuffs? If not LE, any eyewitness saying that?

If AS was not cuffed, how was he 'restrained'? Link pls. Thx in adv.

 

[perfectingpink]

i think the hi-res version makes it clear that his arm movement at the end is probably just involuntary spasming

I agree.

 

[angelainwi]

That's not what happened, unless you can supply video where officers threatened to tase him. From start of video that I have heard, you hear a taser shot, then get on the ground said twice followed by a second taser shot. It is while on the ground that Officer issues a warning followed immediately by gunfire. I did not hear a warning before tasing. I am sure there will be much more video to follow up.

Well he was down on the ground why didn't they hit him with more voltage?

 

[katydid23]

Well he was down on the ground why didn't they hit him with more voltage?

Cops cannot keep giving higher levels of voltage. If it is not working then it does no good. It will not prevent them from reaching for their gun if it is not slowing them down...And If you keep hitting them with more, they can have cardiac arrest.

 

[Woodland]

I can never understand why, after one bullet, LE can't just step back. A bullet must hurt so find it impossible to believe the person that has been shot will be inclined to reach for a gun without the officer(s) noticing and being able to react accordingly.

 

[Woodland]

Cops cannot keep giving higher levels of voltage. If it is not working then it does no good. It will not prevent them from reaching for their gun if it is not slowing them down...And If you keep hitting them with more, they can have cardiac arrest.

So following up with multiple bullets is better?

 

[katydid23]

So following up with multiple bullets is better?

well, if the taser is not working, they need to level up to something else.

 

[katydid23]

I can never understand why, after one bullet, LE can't just step back. A bullet must hurt so find it impossible to believe the person that has been shot will be inclined to reach for a gun without the officer(s) noticing and being able to react accordingly.

They were wrestling on the ground. One bullet does not stop a human from fighting back. It often makes them fight harder at first. Plenty of cops have been shot after the suspect was already wounded.

 

[Jax49]

I heard an ex-officer ask a question I'd like the answer to. Why did the officer tackle him when there was no clear danger? Why not call for additional backup before getting in a situation where they felt lethal force was necessary?

 

[DaleTray]

How convenient that the officer's body cams both "became loose" and were dangling from their chests at the time of the killing.

“His hand was nowhere (near) his pocket,” Muflahi said, adding that Sterling wasn’t holding a weapon. After the shooting, an officer reached into Sterling’s pocket and retrieved a handgun, Muflahi said. Sterling appeared to die quickly, Muflahi said. Just after the killing, the officer who fired the bullets cursed, and both officers seemed like they were “freaking out,” Muflahi said.The store owner said he heard one of the officers say, “Just leave him.”

Do they even bother instructing regarding deescalation of incidents any more? Is it truly shoot, hopefully to kill, so no questions can be asked later? Thank goodness for bystanders with cell phones, I guess. And that cuts both ways....it seems the truth is elusive no matter which element with whom we are dealing after a police "incident".

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ing-music-baton-rouge-store-article-1.2700548

I am trying to see both sides of this. Known facts: Police were called notified a man had threatened another man with a gun. Police know it highly probable they would need to disarm a man nonce on scene. The gentleman that shot the video states the man was fighting the police. Police tased the man but he continued fighting. Police get man on ground and see the gun as the man continues fighting. I know the video doesnt look good but I am happy neither cop got shot. Many tough decisions must be made quickly in an instant if the police want to go home each night. At this point 100% of guilt is put on the police. I believe we need to assign some of the guilt elsewhere. I honestly believe both cops got up that morning not thinking 'I want to kill someone today" They probably think daily something along the lines of "Man, I hope nothing heavy goes down today." "What's for breakfast" "Whats for lunch" "Who won the game last night" when they get a call "Man reports another man pulled a gun on him"

 

[kimlynn]

yes, he clearly says "he's going for the gun", although it could not be any clearer to me i guess i still have to say its my opinion that in the video the officer very obviously states "he's going for the gun"

I have headphones on and what I hear at 0.33 is 'He's got a gun,...gun'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-emerges-deadly-baton-rouge-police-shooting/story?id=40385136

Nothing about going for a gun or reaching for a gun.

ETA You can see officers (after the shooting) reaching into the pant pocket of AS to remove weapon.

 

[drjones]

http://www.wbrz.com/news/new-video-angle-discovered-in-alton-sterling-shooting

[FONT=&quot]Officers confirmed that Sterling was armed with a gun when they arrived on the scene.[/FONT]

 

[drjones]

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/07/baton_rouge_alton_sterling_sho.html#incart_big-photo

[FONT=&quot]Moore said Baton Rouge police also interviewed the 911 caller whose complaint initially prompted police to respond to a disturbance at the Triple S Food Mart, on North Foster Drive around 12:35 a.m. The person reiterated that the man police would later learn was Sterling — who the caller described as a man in a red sweatshirt selling CDs — threatened him with a gun, Moore said. [/FONT]

 

[LietKynes]

I don't see how he could possibly have been shot in the back? And his right arm was moving before he was shot.

RSBM

From the video at www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016...a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html ; AS was lying on his back --the news reports that he was shot in the back (implying he was running away and thus no threat to anyone) were incorrect.
The media needs to get its' facts lined up before reporting. Somewhat irritating.
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