Identified! LA - Slidell, WhtFem 20-30, UP852, Breast Implants, Pregnant Jun'86 Pamela Lee Hupp

[taramarie]

Exactly my thought. Fingers crossed! <3

The good news is that the investigators are on board with DDP, so if it pans out, hopefully, she'll be next.

 

[Bit of hope]

Hoping with you!

 

[leilarose68]

DNA Doe Project is working on a John Doe from St Tammany Parish. Hopefully both of these cases are being investigated by the same agency and DDP will take this case on soon!

Maybe but DDP has likely been in discussions with this agency for months and they mentioned that Slidell Jane Doe was not in discussions awhile back. St Tammany Parish has a bunch of Does that were found more recently than Slidell Jane Doe so I wouldn't hold my breath. But hopefully one day.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Maybe but DDP has likely been in discussions with this agency for months and they mentioned that Slidell Jane Doe was not in discussions awhile back. St Tammany Parish has a bunch of Does that were found more recently than Slidell Jane Doe so I wouldn't hold my breath. But hopefully one day.[/QUOTE
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I will continue to hold bated breath regardless if St Tammany as 1 or 100 doe's.

 

[leilarose68]

I will continue to hold bated breath regardless if St Tammany as 1 or 100 doe's.

I mean, instead of holding your breath you can probably just ask DDP if this Doe is in discussions at all... no point in hoping if for some reason her case isn't a good candidate for them, whether it's the quality of the DNA or her agency has lost viable DNA parts (god forbid) or something else.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

I mean, instead of holding your breath you can probably just ask DDP if this Doe is in discussions at all... no point in hoping if for some reason her case isn't a good candidate for them, whether it's the quality of the DNA or her agency has lost viable DNA parts (god forbid) or something else.

Thank you for the recommendation

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Date Found: Thursday June 19, 1986
North Shore Community, Slidell, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana
(LPJD was spotted approximately 7:30 pm on the evening of 6/19/86)



Physical Description:
Estimated Age: 20-30 (Mary M indicated mid 30’s cannot be ruled out)
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5’2” – 5’4”/ 62”-64” Petite frame (Initial report height given 5’7” / 67”)
Weight: 120-126 lbs. (Initial reports weight given 100-120 lbs.)
Hair: Shoulder length hair, auburn (Reddish brown / Light brown)
Eye: Unknown, Large eyes (Per morgue sketch)
Facial Features: Small slightly upturned nose (Per morgue sketch), freckles
Clothing: None (Found nude)
Jewelry: None (1/2” tan line on left hand ring finger, however no ring was found)
Medical: Approximately 8-12 weeks pregnant, Small old scars; right knee 1.5 cm circular-in-shape (.59”), right wrist 1.2 cm (.47”), midline on abdomen above navel 2.3 cm, (.90”), old major right hip injury possible compound fracture (upper thigh/femur bone), Silicone Breast implants; 200cc Cox-Uphoff International of Costa Mesa, CA. implants were encased in a silastic shell (No Serial Numbers). She may have had surgery on her nose, it was hard to totally confirm based on the old morgue photos per Mary Manhein
Tattoos: None
Dental Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered Absence of wisdom teeth, no dental work teeth were free of cavities and fillings they were in good condition.
Fingerprint: One complete finger print was lifted from her decomposed hands.
DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete
Postmortem Interval: 36 Hours (NAMUS) 2 Days or Less (LSU)

Circumstances/Investigation:
LPJD was spotted by (2) fishermen at approximately 7:30 pm on the evening of 6/19/86 near the community of North Shore. By the time deputies launched a boat to recover the partially submerged body drifted approximately 40 yd. (120 ft.) east of the I-10 twin span bridges and 50-60 yd. (150-180 ft.) from shore.

She was nude with a white plastic bag over her head secured with duct tape and a 22lb. red weight (type used on exercise equipment) tied to her neck. Investigators found several superficial wounds on the woman’s face/head but were unsure what caused them.

Information from weather experts and marine biologist has led detectives to believe the body was put into the lake between Bayou Lacombe and Rigolets Pass.

There were no serial numbers on the breast implants. Investigators consulted New Orleans plastic surgeons for assistance where the size and manufacturer were determined. It was also advised that most plastic surgeons in the New Orleans area use larger implants.

The implant manufacturer Cox-Uphoff spokesman provided the Sherriff’s office a list of plastic surgeons around the country who have ordered the 200cc size implant. Cox-Uphoff spokesman said the size is common in the US and estimated 500-700 doctors across the country order the 200cc size every year. Detectives have called or written 175 physicians for help. When you go out of this area it begins to get lost doctors way up in the Northeast of the country may not be as helpful to assist.

The medical pathologist that performed the autopsy determined she died of asphyxiation. However, could not pinpoint whether death was by drowning, suffocation or strangulation. Her blood contained small amounts of caffeine and alcohol. Her body bore evidence of several minor cuts and blows, all superficial and was unsure what caused them. He estimated she died the day before her body was found (Sometime Wednesday June 18th). LPJD bore small old scars, right knee, right wrist and upper abdomen.

St Tammany LE received a report on Wed-6/18 that a caller reported deputies would be told where to find (2) bodies beneath an interstate highway bridge if they met a man at the state tourist information center on I-10 West of Slidell. Deputies found no one at the rest area, a search of bridges on I-10 and I-59 turned up no bodies.

Inspector Harvey Pratt of the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigations examined morgue photos of the woman’s face and painted over them to produce a likeness of her. She was a young attractive woman w/shoulder length auburn hair swept back from her face.

St Tammany LE investigation produced 200 inquiries from around the country but few strong leads to her identity. A description of LPJD is filed in an FBI computer in Washington. Sheriff’s office spokesperson Tiffany Tate said based on the attention the case has been given locally in the past “it is obvious the woman is not from this area”.

The remains of LPJD were exhumed in Sept 2003 to acquire DNA samples to compare to Lisa Marie Sexton a teenager missing from Elyria, Ohio since May 1981. Testing was completed, however Lisa Marie Sexton and LPJD were not a match.

In February 2005 America’s Most Wanted featured the case of Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe in hopes to identify. The airing of her story provided numerous tips, however did not result in the identification of LPJD.

Burial:
07/02/86 – Buried in a wood frame cardboard box w/baby angel printed on top
Greenwood Cemetery, Potters Field Section – Slidell, LA (Bayou Patassat)

Exhumed:
09/04/03 – Exhumed for DNA/Dental matching to Lisa Marie Sexton, it was not a match.
Mary Manhein kept LPJD’s remains at LSU Faces laboratory in the event additional DNA would be needed for MP comparisons in the future.

Investigating Agencies:
St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office – Case # 6-6084-86
300 Brownswitch Road
Slidell, Louisiana 70458
Tele: 985.726.8000
Web: St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office

Dt. Marco Demma (Retired)
Tele: 985.645.2467
E-Mail Address: [email protected]

Information Resources:
LSU Faces Case # 03-35: Case #03-35 - LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People
227 Howe Russell Building
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803
Teresa Wilson – Tele: 225.578.4761
Maria Allaire – Tele: 225.578.4775
General E-Mail: [email protected]

NAMUS Case # 852: Unidentified Person Case
Local Case Manager: Ginesse Listi, LSU Faces – Tele: 225.578.3906
Regional Contact: Michael Nance – Tele: 918.5270080 – E-Mail: [email protected]

FBI – National Crime Information Center - Case # U-211402266
Web: National Crime Information Center (NCIC)

Information Resources:
Doe Network Case: 16UFLA

America’s Most Wanted; S18, Ep 16:
America's Most Wanted; S18, Ep 16 Vimeo:
American’s Most Wanted Fans: Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe Killer - Louisiana - 1986 | America's Most Wanted Fans (an unofficial fan page for John Walsh-hosted fugitive TV shows)

The Times Picayune News Article – 12/14/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 07/16/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 07/03/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 06/21/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 2003
Tribune Coshocton News Article – 09/21/03
The News Fremont Article – 09/20/03
The Times Shreveport News Article – 09/20/03
Town Talk Alexandria News Article – 09/20/03
The Times Shreveport News Article – 01/20/04
Clarion Jackson News Article – 09/20/04
Cleveland 19 News: Police get best lead in 22 years on missing girl

News Article Highlights:

Times Picayune - 06/21/86
-20 Years Old, 5'7, 100-120 lbs, shoulder length auburn hair, wide tan line on her left ring finger, 12 weeks pregnant
-22 lb weight was tied to her neck, the weight is the type for working out like free weights in a gym
-LE received a call on Wed 6/18; caller advised deputies would be told where to find 2 bodies beneath
and interstate hwy bridge if they met the man on I-10 W of Slidell tourist information center deputies found
no one at the rest area and LE searched bridges on I-10 and I-59 no bodies were found.

Times Picayune - 07/03/86
-Implants, silicone gel inside a silastic shell
-200 cubic centimeters (This is a fairly small implant)
-Manufacturer Cox Uphoff International of Coast Mesa, CA
-Rep from the manufacturer stated the size is common in the US and estimated 500 - 700 doctors
order 200cc ever year, there are no serial numbers for their implants as that the requirements for serial numbers came later in years.
-NOLA area Plastic surgeons consulted on this case advised, local area surgeons use larger implants
-Coroner advised there were no significant exterior injuries

Times Picayune - 07/16/86
-Illustration; young, pretty woman with large eyes and a small slightly upturned nose
-Small scar on right knee, right wrist and upper abdomen
-Blood contained only minor amounts of caffeine and alcohol
-Estimated she died the day before (6/18)
-Illustration was produced by Inspector Harvey Pratt of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations

Times Picayune - 12/14/86
-She was young attractive shoulder length hair swept back from her face
-Investigators could only lift one complete fingerprint
-Investigators received a list of plastic surgeons around the country that have purchased Cox Uphoff implants
-Investigators have called or written 175 physicians
-When you got out of the local area it begins to get lost
-Autopsy determined woman died of asphyxiation but could not pinpoint if it was from drowning, suffocation or strangulation

Porchlight Case # LAF860619; Ruled Out Possible Matches Porchlight International for the Missing & Unidentified - Ruled Out Possible Matches

Trail of Bones: More Cases from the Files of a Forensic Anthropologist – Mary Manhein (2005)
Trail of Bones - More Cases from the Files of a Forensic Anthropologist - Dr Mary Manhein

Unsolved Murder Spotlight: Unsolved Murder Spotlight: The Slidell Jane Doe

Area Events & Misc Notes:
06/13/86 - Ted Neugent & Aerosmith - Mississippi Coast Coliseum, Biloxi, MS

Right Hip Compound Fracture:
LPJD must have incurred an immense amount of pain and a lengthy recovery period. During the recovery period a patient would need to use a walker or crutches for several months and attend physical therapy. Many of these types of injuries require surgery that include the usage of pins in the procedure. The injury was not recognized until LPJD was exhumed would pins deteriorate if LPJD had any at all ?

Right Hip Compound Fracture:
Broken Hip/Fracture occurs in the upper portion of your thighbone or femur. The top of the femur and part of the pelvic bone meet to form the hip.

Compound Fracture:
A fracture in which the broken bones cut through the skin. This type of fracture is more prone to infection and requires immediate medical attention.

Hip Fractures:
Common injuries after a front end accident. Due to the force of an accident can push up the leg to the hip and break the hip near the pelvis.

How fractures can occur: High-Energy forces; motor vehicle accidents, pedestrian struck by a vehicle, bicycling / motorcycle accidents or falling from a significant height.

Surgical:
Most hip injuries require surgery to repair the hip. Surgery is done as soon as possible after a hip fracture. Certain fractures that have not moved “displaced” may not require surgery. Because there is a risk that they may move later on they are often fixed. After surgery a common issue is leg length discrepancy a shoe lift may be needed to equalize the limb length.

Recovery:
Patient will not be fully weight-bearing for several months. Crutches, walker or a cane will be needed to aid mobilization.

OrthoInfo
American Academy of Orthopedic Information
Femur Shaft Fractures (Broken Thighbone) - OrthoInfo - AAOS

Fractures and Trauma
Stress Factures Saint Louis | Sports Injuries | Shoulder Dislocation Creve Coeur
http://health.howstuffworks.com/huma...ken-bones1.htm
Mary noted it was an old injury, the appearance of the bone was changing.

The bone is remodeled. Special cells called osteoclasts break down extra bone around the fracture until it's completely healed and returned to its original shape. Bone remodeling is a very slow process which can take anywhere from 3 to 9 years to complete!How Bones Heal | Ask A Biologist

Time Frame:
Given the estimated time found evening of Thur-6/19 estimated time in the water 36 hours she was dumped into the lake early morning of Wed-6/18.

Weather Conditions:
6/19 (Thur) – High 91.9 F / Low 79.0 F; Wind 5.3 – 12 kt, PPTN 0.00” (Fog/Thunder)
6/18 (Wed) – High 91.9 F / Low 70.0 F; Wind 5.1 – 8.9 kt, PPTN 0.04”
6/17 (Tue) – High 91.0 F / Low 75.9 F; Wind 3.4 – 9.9 kt, PPTN 0.35” (Thunder)

Age Range:
Originally the victim was believed to be between 17 – 20 years old. Manhein and her staff concluded that the victim was actually between 20 – 30 years of age. Manhein emphasized that it cannot be ruled out that the woman was in her mid-30’s.

Height Range:
Using a formula that uses the femur bone help Manhein and her staff conclude the victim was between 5’2” – 5’4” original reports stated the victim was between 5’7” – 5’8”.

Age Range:
20-30 * Do not rule out up to 35
AGE DOBY

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  • 20 1966
  • 21 1965
  • 22 1964
  • 23 1963
  • 24 1962
  • 25 1961
  • 26 1960
  • 27 1959
  • 28 1958
  • 29 1957
  • 30 1956
  • 31 1955
  • 32 1954
  • 33 1953
  • 34 1952
  • 35 1951

Breast Augmentation:
Cox Uphoff International (CUI) began marketing implants in 1976
(1976-1991) smooth single-lumen gel
(1977-1991) double-lumen
(1982-1993) reverse double-lumen
(1983-1988) triple-lumen
(1987-1991) gel-saline adjustable

(4) primary incisions for Breast Augmentation, odd that there has been no comments in regards to LPJD having scar from BA surgery

1.) Armpit
2.) Areola
3.) Breast Fold
4.) Tuba – Incision through navel this type of procedure was not performed until 1991

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Wow, Folie! So much information..! Really impressive
That post should be pinned or something; making it easier to cross reference.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Wow, Folie! So much information..! Really impressive
That post should be pinned or something; making it easier to cross reference.

TY Mrs. Badcrumble , Have done a lot of research on her case over the years. I at one time lived where she was found on the lake front. We actually took a drive over their yesterday and she has been heavily weighing on my mind. She deserves her name back and to be reunited with her family.

 

[Silverfang]

Alright, 32 years has been long enough. I'm going to put my full attention on this young woman's identity.

 

[TmmEye]

My reconstruction for Jane Doe. I used the 03’ bust (not the faces enhancement)

 

[Bit of hope]

Porchlight Case # LAF860619; Ruled Out Possible Matches Porchlight International for the Missing & Unidentified - Ruled Out Possible Matches

Hi Folie thanks for the extensive research. On what grounds did Porchlight ruled out possible matches? Do you know that? As far as I know it's (or it was) a community just like WS.

 

[Bit of hope]

LPJD must have been very attractive in real life. Her lips stand out to me. Could it be that she used a filler? About 1980, injectable bovine collagen was introduced to the cosmetic surgery Lip augmentation - Wikipedia

I have no idea if this is traceable Post Mortem.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Hi Folie thanks for the extensive research. On what grounds did Porchlight ruled out possible matches? Do you know that? As far as I know it's (or it was) a community just like WS.

Yes a forum like ours they have their own list of rule outs from their research and submits over the years.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

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My reconstruction for Jane Doe. I used the 03’ bust (not the faces enhancement)

Wow! TY TmmyEye

 

[folieadeuxnola]

LPJD must have been very attractive in real life. Her lips stand out to me. Could it be that she used a filler? About 1980, injectable bovine collagen was introduced to the cosmetic surgery Lip augmentation - Wikipedia

I have no idea if this is traceable Post Mortem.

Great possibility all thou some people do genetically have naturally fuller lips so it's a questionable whether her lips were filled or natural.

Have been looking at her eyes lately or at least looking at MP's with almond shaped eyes .

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

NAMUS Rule Outs as of 06/28/18:


The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

(...)

Faye, Self
1956, Louisiana

Is this a typo? Are these mps the same?
Ida Faye "Faye" Basco - LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People

Edit: Nope, she just happened to have the same YOB as Faye Self Faye Aline Self - LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Is this a typo? Are these mps the same?
Ida Faye "Faye" Basco - LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People

Edit: Nope, she just happened to have the same YOB as Faye Self Faye Aline Self - LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People

They are (2) different MP's

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

They are (2) different MP's

Yeah, I figured... Still early in the morning...

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Yeah, I figured... Still early in the morning...

Gotcha!!!!