Identified! LA - Slidell, WhtFem 20-30, UP852, Breast Implants, Pregnant Jun'86 Pamela Lee Hupp

  • #681
Toni was compared to a Texas Jane doe https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...l-518UFTX-20-40-wrapped-in-quilt-Apr-00/page3

In the thread CarlK said this:
Toni's daughter received a letter from UNT documenting the rule-out by DNA comparison using FRS's from two of Toni's children.

I'm not sure what this means....sorry..I 'have read so many post's about the so called automatically ruled out by Namus which is not a rule persé.
FRS is family reference sample. That means they compared DNA from family members, in this case the daughters, and it didn't match. This is a clear, complete ruleout.

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  • #682
In all have always thought NAMUS should add some clarity in the individuals profile as to where or which system the DNA is being stored. DNA Submitted - Tests Complete does that mean it is in CODIS, state/local lab facilities or state/local LE agencies.

In the particular statement about Toni you are questioning whether her DNA is in CODIS or if it is being held in a separate system this being UT and would require for her DNA be compared instead of auto cross match.

The solution would be to submit the inquiry to NAMUS and ask where Toni's DNA is held.
 
  • #683
I'm sorry, I'm not quite following you. I'm not questioning anything. Bit of Hope asked what the post they quoted meant, and I tried to explain. It's relative to the Texas case, not directly to this one, though it does confirm that Toni's DNA is available.

NAMUS's DNA comparisons were recently updated to reduce the issues of where DNA is held. I suppose there can still be mistakes, and bookkeeping errors are always possible, but results are much more reliable now.

They will still do individual comparisons if the circumstances warrant. That's apparently what they did with Toni and the Texas UID.
 
  • #684
Toni & Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe
See a likeness both DNA's are in NAMUS they would have crossed matched if they were one in the same.

Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/852 - Status:Sample submitted - Tests complete
Toni Esbenshade
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/18235/0/ - Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete


Always again the DNA thing. We assume that the DNA is in the same system and can be ruled out...but that isn't always the case...sometimes there is DNA but in a different lab...even if Namus says DNA available, tests complete...but anyways....the thing is Tony has pierced ears....we still don't know about Slidell..not mentioned so I guess not.

Toni was compared to a Texas Jane doe https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...t-Apr-00/page3

In the thread CarlK said this:
Toni's daughter received a letter from UNT documenting the rule-out by DNA comparison using FRS's from two of Toni's children.

I'm not sure what this means....sorry..I 'have read so many post's about the so called automatically ruled out by Namus which is not a rule persé.

In all have always thought NAMUS should add some clarity in the individuals profile as to where or which system the DNA is being stored. DNA Submitted - Tests Complete does that mean it is in CODIS, state/local lab facilities or state/local LE agencies.

In the particular statement about Toni you are questioning whether her DNA is in CODIS or if it is being held in a separate system this being UT and would require for her DNA be compared instead of auto cross match.

The solution would be to submit the inquiry to NAMUS and ask where Toni's DNA is held.

BOT pulled DNA comparison information from a different case i.e. Toni and another UID. She was showing where the DNA may not necessarily always be in CODIS as we assume and maybe held by another agency this example UT. Hence if their DNA i.e. MP and UID are in separate systems then yes the DNA would need to be manually compared.

Hope I'm explaining this correctly

In all the solution is for Toni and LPJD to be submitted to NAMUS as a possible match so it can either been compared or added to the rule out list.
 
  • #685
BOT pulled DNA comparison information from a different case i.e. Toni and another UID. She was showing where the DNA may not necessarily always be in CODIS as we assume and maybe held by another agency this example UT. Hence if their DNA i.e. MP and UID are in separate systems then yes the DNA would need to be manually compared.

Hope I'm explaining this correctly

In all the solution is for Toni and LPJD to be submitted to NAMUS as a possible match so it can either been compared or added to the rule out list.

Well, there's one great big misunderstanding here. UNT (not the same as UT) is the organization that hosts and supports Namus. For all practical purposes, UNT and Namus are the same thing. If DNA is at UNT, it is definitely being compared.

CODIS and Namus are not the same thing. CODIS is a US-national law enforcement database and the DNA in it is related to law enforcement (victims, perps, rapists, people to be eliminated, etc.) Namus is a Department of Justice operation that focuses on missing and unidentified people, who aren't necessarily involved in a crime.

Namus recently updated the program that does the automatic matching. It goes out and searches the other databases, including UNT, LSU FACES, CODIS, FBI, etc., for matches. That includes the family reference samples.

Mistakes are made. I'm not saying this match shouldn't be pursued. Just trying to explain how it works.
 
  • #686
Well, there's one great big misunderstanding here. UNT (not the same as UT) is the organization that hosts and supports Namus. For all practical purposes, UNT and Namus are the same thing. If DNA is at UNT, it is definitely being compared.

CODIS and Namus are not the same thing. CODIS is a US-national law enforcement database and the DNA in it is related to law enforcement (victims, perps, rapists, people to be eliminated, etc.) Namus is a Department of Justice operation that focuses on missing and unidentified people, who aren't necessarily involved in a crime.

Namus recently updated the program that does the automatic matching. It goes out and searches the other databases, including UNT, LSU FACES, CODIS, FBI, etc., for matches. That includes the family reference samples.

Mistakes are made. I'm not saying this match shouldn't be pursued. Just trying to explain how it works.

Thank you greatly appreciate the explanation and clarification.. learn something new every day. :cool:
 
  • #687
Thank you greatly appreciate the explanation and clarification.. learn something new every day. :cool:
You're welcome [emoji16] It would not surprise me to learn that I'm completely wrong, either.

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  • #688
Well it has prompted me to read up on the programs ..

Bone Remains: Cold Cases in Forensic Anthropology
By Mary H. Manhein
https://books.google.com/books?id=_...yYQ6AEIfDAJ#v=onepage&q=LSU Faces DNA&f=false
LSU Faces DNA.JPG

Went back and read up on Trail of Bones
Mary specifically mentioned that the hip injury was major and LPJD would have been hospitalized due to the event. She also said injury could have occurred from a car accident or a severe kick to the pelvic region..

Trail of Bones -
https://books.google.com/books?id=f...in trail of bones lake pontchartrain.&f=false

LSU's FACES lab operates missing persons database for Louisiana
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/11/lsus_faces_lab_is_compiling_mi.html
 
  • #689
Well it has prompted me to read up on the programs ..

Bone Remains: Cold Cases in Forensic Anthropology
By Mary H. Manhein
https://books.google.com/books?id=_...yYQ6AEIfDAJ#v=onepage&q=LSU Faces DNA&f=false
View attachment 132610

Went back and read up on in Trail of Bones
Mary specifically mentioned that the hip injury was major and LPJD would have been hospitalized due to the event. She also said injury could have occurred from a car accident of a severe kick to the pelvic region..

https://books.google.com/books?id=_...yYQ6AEIfDAJ#v=onepage&q=LSU Faces DNA&f=false

Oh, I need to get that book.

PS I wondered who this "Mary" you kept referring to was. I thought she was one of Toni's relatives. I need to go back and reread a few posts; I may have misunderstood some of them.
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Oh, I need to get that book.

PS I wondered who this "Mary" you kept referring to was. I thought she was one of Toni's relatives. I need to go back and reread a few posts; I may have misunderstood some of them.
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No worries sometimes I'm not the best at being explanatory ...

Mary Manhein was the Director of LSU Faces (aka The Bone Lady) She established the FACES Lab; helped write a bill that passed in the State Legislature and established the Louisiana Repository for Unidentified and Missing Persons Information Program. Mary is also the anthropologist that worked LPJD's case when she was being compared to Lisa Marie Sexton in 2003. She found out more information about LPJD then what the initial reports had provided back in 1986. There are some nice segments in her book Trail of Bones on the exhuming and investigation into LPJD. She also kept LPJD's remains at LSU instead of returning her to the paupers grave.

Mary retired in 2015 FACES is now directed by Dr Listi

https://lsupress.org/books/detail/the-bone-lady/
Although Manhein enjoys solving high-profile cases, her personal crusade is identifying the John and Jane Does who wait in her lab. Manhein’s own words perfectly characterize her mission: “Identifying a victim can bring peace of mind to the family and can help them to go on with their lives. Some-times, peace of mind is the only gift that I can give.
 
  • #692
FRS is family reference sample. That means they compared DNA from family members, in this case the daughters, and it didn't match. This is a clear, complete ruleout.

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Thank you Carbuff, still learning every day.
 
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  • #694
Not that any of the John and Jane Does are to be wagered upon, but if they were i would bet that our Doe here is the next one to be ID'ed. This one screams SOLVE ME! I hope I am correct on this because of all the cases, this one also tells me that once she is ID'ed her killer wont be long behind.
 
  • #695
Not that any of the John and Jane Does are to be wagered upon, but if they were i would bet that our Doe here is the next one to be ID'ed. This one screams SOLVE ME! I hope I am correct on this because of all the cases, this one also tells me that once she is ID'ed her killer wont be long behind.

Absolutely, :prayer: Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe is picked up by DDP :prayer:
 
  • #696
Here is the information I can provide to you, use to come in this thread and basically talk
to myself and read .... :blushing:

Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe

Date Found: Thursday June 19, 1986
North Shore Community, St. Tammany Parish – Slidell, LA
(LPJD was spotted approximately 7:30pm on the evening of 6/19/86)



Physical Description:
Estimated Age: 20-30 (Mary M indicated mid 30’s cannot be ruled out)
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5’2” – 5’4”/ 62”-64” Petite frame (Initial report height given 5’7” / 67”)
Weight: 120-126 lbs. (Initial reports weight given 100-120 lbs.)
Hair: Shoulder length hair, auburn (Reddish brown / Light brown)
Eye: Unknown, Large eyes (Per morgue sketch)
Facial Features: Small slightly upturned nose (Per morgue sketch), freckles
Clothing: None (Found nude)
Jewelry: None (1/2” tan line on left hand ring finger, however no ring was found)
Medical: Approximately 8-12 weeks pregnant, Small old scars; right knee 1.5 cm circular-in-shape (.59”), right wrist 1.2 cm (.47”), midline on abdomen above navel 2.3 cm, (.90”), old major right hip injury possible compound fracture (upper thigh/femur bone), Silicone Breast implants; 200cc Cox-Uphoff International of Costa Mesa, CA. implants were encased in a silastic shell (No Serial Numbers). She may have had surgery on her nose, it was hard to totally confirm based on the old morgue photos.
Tattoos: None
Dental: Dental chart available; Absence of wisdom teeth, no dental work teeth were free of cavities and fillings they were in good condition.
Fingerprint: One complete finger print was lifted from her decomposed hands.
DNA: Available – LSU Faces State Lab
Postmortem Interval: 36 Hours (NAMUS) 2 Days or Less (LSU)

Circumstances/Investigation:
LPJD was spotted by (2) fishermen at approximately 7:30 pm on the evening of 6/19/86 near the community of North Shore. By the time deputies launched a boat to recover the partially submerged body drifted approximately 40 yd. (120 ft.) east of the I-10 twin span bridges and 50-60 yd. (150-180 ft.) from shore.

She was nude with a plastic bag over her head secured with duct tape and a 22lb. red weight (type used on exercise equipment) tied to her neck. Investigators found several superficial wounds on the woman’s face/head but were unsure what caused them.

Information from weather experts and marine biologist has led detectives to believe the body was put into the lake between Bayou Lacombe and Rigolets Pass.

There were no serial numbers on the breast implants. Investigators consulted New Orleans plastic surgeons for assistance where the size and manufacturer was determined. It was also advised that most plastic surgeons in the New Orleans area use larger implants.

The implant manufacturer Cox-Uphoff spokesman provided the Sherriff’s office a list of plastic surgeons around the country who have ordered the 200cc size implant. Cox-Uphoff spokesman said the size is common in the US and estimated 500-700 doctors across the country order the 200cc size every year. Detectives have called or written 175 physicians for help. When you go out of this area it begins to get lost doctors way up in the Northeast of the country may not be as helpful to assist.

The medical pathologist that performed the autopsy determined she died of asphyxiation. However, could not pinpoint whether death was by drowning, suffocation or strangulation. Her blood contained small amounts of caffeine and alcohol. Her body bore evidence of several minor cuts and blows, all superficial and was unsure what caused them. He estimated she died the day before her body was found (Sometime Wednesday June 18th). LPJD bore small old scars, right knee, right wrist and upper abdomen.

St Tammany LE received a report on Wed-6/18 that a caller reported deputies would be told where to find (2) bodies beneath an interstate highway bridge if they met a man at the state tourist information center on I-10 West of Slidell. Deputies found no one at the rest area, a search of bridges on I-10 and I-59 turned up no bodies.

Inspector Harvey Pratt of the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigations examined morgue photos of the woman’s face and painted over them to produce a likeness of her. She was a young attractive woman w/shoulder length auburn hair swept back from her face.

St Tammany LE investigation produced 200 inquiries from around the country but few strong leads to her identity. A description of LPJD is filed in an FBI computer in Washington. Sheriff’s office spokesperson Tiffany Tate said based on the attention the case has been given locally in the past “it is obvious the woman is not from this area”.


Investigating Agencies:

NCMEC Case # NCMC4000074
NCIC Case # U-211402266

St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office
Dt. Marco Demma; 985.645.2467 (Direct Line) / 985.726.8000 (Main Office Line)
E-Mail Address: [email protected]
*Demma has retired from LE

LSU Faces Lab – Case # LSU 03-35 - http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=383
Teresa Wilson, Asst. Research Professor: 225.578.4761
Maria Allaire, Research Associate: 225.578.4775
Dr Ginesse Listi: 225.578.3906 / E-Mail: [email protected]
General Email: [email protected]


NAMUS UP - Case # 852 - https://identifyus.org/cases/852
Michael Nance: 918.527.0080 / E-Mail: [email protected]

Crimestoppers – Possible reward – 504.837.8477 / [email protected]


Burial/Remains:
LPJD’s remains are now held at the LSU Faces lab
9/4/03 – Exhumed for DNA/Dental matching to Lisa Marie Sexton
7/2/86 – Buried in a wood frame cardboard box w/baby angel printed on top
Greenwood Cemetery, Potters Field Section – Slidell, LA (Bayou Patassat)


Weather Conditions:
6/19 (Thur) – High 91.9 F / Low 79.0 F; Wind 5.3 – 12 kt, PPTN 0.00” (Fog/Thunder)
6/18 (Wed) – High 91.9 F / Low 70.0 F; Wind 5.1 – 8.9 kt, PPTN 0.04”
6/17 (Tue) – High 91.0 F / Low 75.9 F; Wind 3.4 – 9.9 kt, PPTN 0.35” (Thunder)

Information Resources:
The Times Picayune Article – 2003 (Archives)
The Times Picayune Article – 12/14/86 (Archives)
The Times Picayune Article – 07/16/86 (Archives)
The Times Picayune Article – 07/03/86 (Archives)
The Times Picayune Article – 06/21/86 (Archives)
Doe Network Case: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/16ufla.html
AMW Fans: http://amwfans.com/thread/811/lake-pontchartrain-jane-killer-louisiana
AMW Video: https://youtu.be/XWqqYSec0DA
Trail of Bones: More Cases from the Files of a Forensic Anthropologist – Mary Manhein (2005)


Right Hip Compound Fracture:
LPJD must have incurred an immense amount of pain and a lengthy recovery period. During the recovery period a patient would need to use a walker or crutches for several months and attend physical therapy. Many of these types of injuries require surgery that include the usage of pins in the procedure. The injury was not recognized until LPJD was exhumed would pins deteriorate if LPJD had any at all ?

Right Hip Compound Fracture:

Broken Hip/Fracture occurs in the upper portion of your thighbone or femur. The top of the femur and part of the pelvic bone meet to form the hip.

Compound Fracture:
A fracture in which the broken bones cut through the skin. This type of fracture is more prone to infection and requires immediate medical attention.

Hip Fractures:
Common injuries after a front end accident. Due to the force of an accident can push up the leg to the hip and break the hip near the pelvis.

How fractures can occur: High-Energy forces; motor vehicle accidents, pedestrian struck by a vehicle, bicycling / motorcycle accidents or falling from a significant height.

Surgical:
Most hip injuries require surgery to repair the hip. Surgery is done as soon as possible after a hip fracture. Certain fractures that have not moved “displaced” may not require surgery. Because there is a risk that they may move later on they are often fixed. After surgery a common issue is leg length discrepancy a shoe lift may be needed to equalize the limb length.

Recovery:
Patient will not be fully weight-bearing for several months. Crutches, walker or a cane will be needed to aid mobilization.

OrthoInfo
American Academy of Orthopedic Information
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00521

Fractures and Trauma
http://www.motion-ortho.com/fractures-and-trauma/
http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/musculoskeletal/heal-broken-bones1.htm
Mary noted it was an old injury, the appearance of the bone was changing.

The bone is remodeled. Special cells called osteoclasts break down extra bone around the fracture until it's completely healed and returned to its original shape. Bone remodeling is a very slow process which can take anywhere from 3 to 9 years to complete! https://askabiologist.asu.edu/bone-healing

Time Frame:
Given the estimated time found evening of Thur-6/19 estimated time in the water 36 hours she was dumped into the lake early morning of Wed-6/18.

Age Range:
Originally the victim was believed to be between 17 – 20 years old. Manhein and her staff concluded that the victim was actually between 20 – 30 years of age. Manhein emphasized that it cannot be ruled out that the woman was in her mid-30’s.

Height Range:
Using a formula that uses the femur bone help Manhein and her staff conclude the victim was between 5’2” – 5’4” original reports stated the victim was between 5’7” – 5’8”.

Age Range:
20-30 * Do not rule out up to 35
AGE DOBY
20 1966
21 1965
22 1964
23 1963
24 1962
25 1961
26 1960
27 1959
28 1958
29 1957
30 1956
31 1955
32 1954
33 1953
34 1952
35 1951

Breast Augmentation:
Cox Uphoff International (CUI) began marketing implants in 1976, introducing smooth single-lumen gel (1976-1991), double-lumen (1977-1991), reverse double-lumen (1982-1993), triple-lumen (1983-1988), gel-saline adjustable (1987-1991)

Worked a little this week in updating research on LPJD, will post when complete lets hope and :pray: he case will be picked up by DDP
 
  • #697
Worked a little this week in updating research on LPJD, will post when complete lets hope and :pray: he case will be picked up by DDP

Hi Folieadeuxnola. :loveyou:Did you do any research on the deteriorating of pins? I think they use surgical stainless steal for this. I don't know but I think it will last a long time. Do you know in what year she was exhumed?
 
  • #698
Hi Folieadeuxnola. :loveyou:Did you do any research on the deteriorating of pins? I think they use surgical stainless steal for this. I don't know but I think it will last a long time. Do you know in what year she was exhumed?

Hi BOT :hug: No I have not dug to deep into the deterioration of surgical pins all thou I believe you are correct SS would be utilized.

From what I have read the right hip injury would have hospitalized her for a bit of time insert the pages out of Dr Mary Manhein's book a Trail of Bones. Page 2 Mary talks about the injury... Would pins be required for repair of a hip injury ... unsure

I think Mary should get together with Colleen and Margaret :happydance:

Trail of Bones , Dr Mary Manhein - Page 1
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Trail of Bones - Dr Mary Manhein - Page 2
Trail of Bones - Page 2.JPG



LPJD was exhumed in 2003

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  • #699
Found a few more articles BOT .. she was exhumed Sept 4 2003
 

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Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe (LPJD), Updated 04/16/18

Date Found: Thursday June 19, 1986
North Shore Community, St. Tammany Parish – Slidell, LA
(LPJD was spotted approximately 7:30pm on the evening of 6/19/86)


LPJD Sketch - 1986.JPG 16UFLA6.jpg
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Physical Description:
Estimated Age: 20-30 (Mary M indicated mid 30’s cannot be ruled out)
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5’2” – 5’4”/ 62”-64” Petite frame (Initial report height given 5’7” / 67”)
Weight: 120-126 lbs. (Initial reports weight given 100-120 lbs.)
Hair: Shoulder length hair, auburn (Reddish brown / Light brown)
Eye: Unknown, Large eyes (Per morgue sketch)
Facial Features: Small slightly upturned nose (Per morgue sketch), freckles
Clothing: None (Found nude)
Jewelry: None (1/2” tan line on left hand ring finger, however no ring was found)
Medical: Approximately 8-12 weeks pregnant, Small old scars; right knee 1.5 cm circular-in-shape (.59”), right wrist 1.2 cm (.47”), midline on abdomen above navel 2.3 cm, (.90”), old major right hip injury possible compound fracture (upper thigh/femur bone), Silicone Breast implants; 200cc Cox-Uphoff International of Costa Mesa, CA. implants were encased in a silastic shell (No Serial Numbers). She may have had surgery on her nose, it was hard to totally confirm based on the old morgue photos per Mary Manhein
Tattoos: None
Dental Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered Absence of wisdom teeth, no dental work teeth were free of cavities and fillings they were in good condition.
Fingerprint: One complete finger print was lifted from her decomposed hands.
DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete
Postmortem Interval: 36 Hours (NAMUS) 2 Days or Less (LSU)

Circumstances/Investigation:
LPJD was spotted by (2) fishermen at approximately 7:30 pm on the evening of 6/19/86 near the community of North Shore. By the time deputies launched a boat to recover the partially submerged body drifted approximately 40 yd. (120 ft.) east of the I-10 twin span bridges and 50-60 yd. (150-180 ft.) from shore.

She was nude with a plastic bag over her head secured with duct tape and a 22lb. red weight (type used on exercise equipment) tied to her neck. Investigators found several superficial wounds on the woman’s face/head but were unsure what caused them.

Information from weather experts and marine biologist has led detectives to believe the body was put into the lake between Bayou Lacombe and Rigolets Pass.

There were no serial numbers on the breast implants. Investigators consulted New Orleans plastic surgeons for assistance where the size and manufacturer was determined. It was also advised that most plastic surgeons in the New Orleans area use larger implants.

The implant manufacturer Cox-Uphoff spokesman provided the Sherriff’s office a list of plastic surgeons around the country who have ordered the 200cc size implant. Cox-Uphoff spokesman said the size is common in the US and estimated 500-700 doctors across the country order the 200cc size every year. Detectives have called or written 175 physicians for help. When you go out of this area it begins to get lost doctors way up in the Northeast of the country may not be as helpful to assist.

The medical pathologist that performed the autopsy determined she died of asphyxiation. However, could not pinpoint whether death was by drowning, suffocation or strangulation. Her blood contained small amounts of caffeine and alcohol. Her body bore evidence of several minor cuts and blows, all superficial and was unsure what caused them. He estimated she died the day before her body was found (Sometime Wednesday June 18th). LPJD bore small old scars, right knee, right wrist and upper abdomen.

St Tammany LE received a report on Wed-6/18 that a caller reported deputies would be told where to find (2) bodies beneath an interstate highway bridge if they met a man at the state tourist information center on I-10 West of Slidell. Deputies found no one at the rest area, a search of bridges on I-10 and I-59 turned up no bodies.

Inspector Harvey Pratt of the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigations examined morgue photos of the woman’s face and painted over them to produce a likeness of her. She was a young attractive woman w/shoulder length auburn hair swept back from her face.

St Tammany LE investigation produced 200 inquiries from around the country but few strong leads to her identity. A description of LPJD is filed in an FBI computer in Washington. Sheriff’s office spokesperson Tiffany Tate said based on the attention the case has been given locally in the past “it is obvious the woman is not from this area”.

The remains of LPJD were exhumed in Sept 2003 to acquire DNA samples and compare them to Lisa Marie Sexton a teenager missing from Elyria, Ohio since May 1981. Testing was completed, however Lisa Marie and LPJD were not a match.

In February 2005 America’s Most Wasted featured the case of Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe in hopes to identify her. The airing of LPJD's story provided numerous tips, however did not result in the identification of LPJD.

Burial: 07/02/86 – Buried in a wood frame cardboard box w/baby angel printed on top
Greenwood Cemetery, Potters Field Section – Slidell, LA (Bayou Patassat)

Exhumed: 9/4/03 – Exhumed for DNA/Dental matching to Lisa Marie Sexton, it was not a match.
Mary Manhein kept LPJD’s remains at LSU Faces laboratory in the event additional DNA would be needed for MP comparisons in the future.


Investigating Agencies:
St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office
300 Brownswitch Road
Slidell, Louisiana 70458
Tele: 985.726.8000
Web: https://www.stpso.com/

Dt. Marco Demma (Retired)
Tele: 985.645.2467
E-Mail Address: [email protected]

Dr Mary Manhein - Former LSU Forensic Anthropology and Computer Enhancement Services (FACES) Laboratory (Retired)

LSU Faces Case # 03-35: http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=383
227 Howe Russell Building
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803
Teresa Wilson – Tele: 225.578.4761
Maria Allaire – Tele: 225.578.4775
General E-Mail: [email protected]

NAMUS Case # 852: https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/852
Local Case Manager: Ginesse Listi, LSU Faces – Tele: 225.578.3906
Regional Contact: Michael Nance – Tele: 918.5270080 – E-Mail: [email protected]

FBI – National Crime Information Center
Case # U-211402266
Web: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ncic


Information Resources:

Doe Network Case: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/16ufla.html

America’s Most Wanted; S18, Ep 16 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqqYSec0DA
America's Most Wanted; S18, Ep 16 Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/26070662
American’s Most Wanted Fans: http://amwfans.com/thread/811/lake-pontchartrain-jane-killer-louisiana

The Times Picayune News Article – 12/14/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 07/16/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 07/03/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 06/21/86
The Times Picayune News Article – 2003
Tribune Coshocton News Article – 09/21/03
The News Fremont Article – 09/20/03
The Times Shreveport News Article – 09/20/03
Town Talk Alexandria News Article – 09/20/03
The Times Shreveport News Article – 01/20/04
Clarion Jackson News Article – 09/20/04
Cleveland 19 News: http://www.cleveland19.com/story/1438434/police-get-best-lead-in-22-years-on-missing-girl

Porchlight Case # LAF860619; Ruled Out Possible Matches http://s10.zetaboards.com/usedtobedoe/forum/65804/

Trail of Bones: More Cases from the Files of a Forensic Anthropologist
Dr Mary Manhein - Former LSU Forensic Anthropology and Computer Enhancement Services (FACES) Laboratory
https://books.google.com/books?id=f...in trail of bones lake pontchartrain.&f=false

Unsolved Murder Spotlight: http://archive.is/QpYdu#selection-79.0-79.47

NAMUS Rule Outs as of 04/16/2018:
Rozlin Abell 1966 Oklahoma
Debra Cressotti 1955 Massachusetts
Carol Donn 1963 Florida
Amanda Fravel 1966 Nevada
Hazel Klug 1962 Virginia
Tammy Leppert 1965 Florida
Deborah Post 1961 Massachusetts
Shannon Potter 1970 Maryland
Susan Riedling 1967 Kentucky
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Faye Self 1956 Louisiana
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Mary Shinn 1953 Arkansas
Sally Stone 1964 Idaho
Nadine Timm 1935 Illinois
Annette Vail 1965
Joyce Walcott 1967 California
Judy Worrell 1957 California
April Zane 1960 Illinois
 

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