Identified! LA - Slidell, WhtFem 20-30, UP852, Breast Implants, Pregnant Jun'86 Pamela Lee Hupp

[Indy Anna]

Might our Jane Doe be someone who was abducted as a child? Maybe that's why no one has found an exact match to missing women who disappeared in early 1986 or a few years prior. The injuries she suffered could be the result of repeated physical abuse.

It's not likely the facial reconstruction was done b/c of an accident. If JD suffered such severe injuries to her face, it's very likely her teeth would have been damaged. Maybe someone else pursued the facial reconstruction to conceal her true identity -- another complication in IDing JD.

I'm thinking JD could have been victimized similarly to Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart. Her abductor may have considered her married to him, or even arranged a legal marriage when she was of legal age (hence the evidence of a ring). But, JD may have become increasingly resistive as she aged and especially when she realized she was pregnant, as she wanted to protect her baby. I can imagine her removing the wedding ring and fleeing when she saw an opportunity. Unfortunately, she wasn't able to elude her captor for long.

 

[bendrn]

The whole thing about "waiting for DNA comparison" has me concerned. Several years ago, the city I live in experienced the vicious, high-profile murder of Brianna Denison. Semen samples taken from her body needed to be run through the system, but budgetary concerns had created a long backlog of DNA to be ran. The Denison family is very wealthy, so they donated some of their own money to work through the backlog, and many people in the community donated as well.
I really hope that isn't the case here. 25 years without a name is a terrible injustice.

I can't help but wonder where this woman's fetus is. Seems hunting down paternal DNA might be an option, if they for any reason kept the fetus. Just thinking out loud. If they could figure out who the father was, they might be able to figure out who the killer was.

 

[CarlK90245]

Might our Jane Doe be someone who was abducted as a child?

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I'm thinking JD could have been victimized similarly to Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart. Her abductor may have considered her married to him, or even arranged a legal marriage when she was of legal age (hence the evidence of a ring).

Your scenario reminds me of Franklin Delano Floyd / Sharon Marshall, who BTW, were married in New Orleans.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

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http://www.wdsu.com/news/2570317/detail.html

LSU Anthropologist Puts Face On 1986 Murder Victim
Using DNA and the woman's bone structure as a guide, Manheim estimates that the victim was a white woman was in her mid-to late-20s, 5 feet 3 inches tall with light brown hair and brown eyes. The woman also had breast implants and was seven weeks pregnant.

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Americas Most Wanted
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=30093

Body Discoverd--Two Decade Mystery Begins
Between the two separate autopsies,
authorities have been able to put together this basic forensic profile of Jane Doe:
-white
-female
-20-30 years old
-120lbs
-reddish brown hair
-5'2"-5'5"
-8-12 weeks pregnant
-a hip fracture, perhaps from a car accident or sports injury
-perfect teeth, with only wisdom teeth removed
-only in the water for a few days
-markings on her left ring finger consistent with a ring, but no ring on the finger
-most likely had plastic surgery on her nose
-had silicone breast implants

Just re-posting some old information
since this is the featured cold case.

I will look around in the Texas Killing fields back in 86.
There is a resemblance to missing girls back then.
And with LA being next door to Texas its worth a look.
We have many whom were found strangled in by water
with there hands bound and ankles.
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[Ms Suzanne]

That's the first time I heard she had brown eyes.I wonder if that is correct.It's also the first time I heard she was tied up.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

That's the first time I heard she had brown eyes.I wonder if that is correct.It's also the first time I heard she was tied up.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=30093&state=other&OtherID=30158

Police believe this white plastic bag - found wrapped over Jane Doe's head -- could have been used to murder her. Her first autopsy found the cause of death to be asphyxiation.

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[:+:MrTT:+:]

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This posting can be deleted at anytime to
recover the space.

Since there is a possible discrepancy with eye color.
And possible hair color with tints and so forth.

I am just going to post some possible comparisons.
Found nothing about implants and or being weeks pregnant
or any plastic surgery on the nose.
Posting some that went missing few days weeks
Before the Jane doe was found.

This first photo is the missing girl from Ohio.
The one they did the DNA check with
according to AMW program. Does not even
resemble the description or composites of the Jane doe.
And yet they did a DNA comparison for a possible match?

Perhaps the second autopsy changed the physical description
of Jane doe?

And I am not 100 percent sold on her being all Caucasian.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4dfoh.html

Missing since May 1, 1981 from Elyria, Lorain County, Ohio.
Vital Statistics

• Date Of Birth: May 10, 1966
• Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old!!
• Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8" (173 cm); 125 lbs (57 kg)
• Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
• Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left cheek.
• Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in near-perfect condition at the time of her disappearance.
• DNA: Available.

Because of the above.
Honestly I am not sure whom I should be looking for.
I came across some redheads but I discounted them because of
the hair color! And she looks younger than suggested.
More like late teens. Maybe she found a Doctor to do it
for free with expected benefits. Got her pregnant and killed her.
Though just guessing.
Any suggestions on whom to look for?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/38dfva.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2491dfnv.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/370dfca.html

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[Ms Suzanne]

Well.If this Jane Doe is not my sister.I have always thought she looked like Tinze Lucinda Huels.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/huels_tinze.html

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

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Posting based on similarities between the composite
and bust creation.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1840/419

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[McSpy]

Was this person ruled out?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walcott_joyce.html

 

[McSpy]

This person doesn't match exactly and the distance doesn't fit, but she was an exotic dancer and had scars.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/stone_sally.html

 

[CarlK90245]

Was this person ruled out?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walcott_joyce.html

Although they both have significant prior injuries, they don't appear to match up. If Jane Doe had bone grafts, they certainly would have been recognized as such.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I'm still interested in Debra Cressotti as a potential match. Hoping we hear something soon.

BTW for those of you with some longevity on this board, how long does it usually take for you to receive a response? I have two submissions I'm waiting on, and I'm just curious. I check my e-mail every day!!

 

[CarlK90245]

I'm still interested in Debra Cressotti as a potential match. Hoping we hear something soon.

BTW for those of you with some longevity on this board, how long does it usually take for you to receive a response? I have two submissions I'm waiting on, and I'm just curious. I check my e-mail every day!!

There's no set rule for a timeline on the response. Sometimes I get it right away. Sometimes never. LSU Faces Lab is pretty responsive if they have access to the identifiers. But this is out of their hands. It's all up to the Massachusetts State Police, who may or may not be interested in pursuing this.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Wow, not to totally hijack this thread, but I sent an e-mail off to the case manager for the MP in New Mexico - but the UID was found in NOLA. Maybe I should contact Helen as well?

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

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https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5695/41​

Case Information

Status Missing First name Karen Middle name Louise Last name Wilson Nickname/Alias
Date LKA March 27, 1985 - 07:44 Date entered April 04, 2010
Age LKA 22 to 22 years old Age now 48 years old Race White Ethnicity
Sex Female Height 63.0 inches Weight 114.0 poundsHair color Brown
Head hair Shoulder length medium brown

Left eye color Brown
Right eye color Brown

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[:+:MrTT:+:]

This one is older 32.
With a 10 inch scare across her chest.
So its probably eliminated because of that.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8460/485

Status Missing First name Maureen Middle name Russell Last name Baca Nickname/Alias Maureen Russell Murfee Date LKA August 21, 1982 - 19:37 Date entered October 15, 2010 Age LKA 32 to years old Age now 61 years old Race White Ethnicity
Sex Female Height 61.0 to 64.0 inches Weight 95.0 to 110.0 pounds
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[Ms Suzanne]

Mito DNA pending.

https://identifyus.org/cases/852

 

[Wanting2Help]

Not sure if this exclusion list was available before or not but it looks like the profile was updated 12/5/11

Carol Donn , Florida
Hazel Klug, Virginia
Patricia Schmidt, Virginia
Lisa Sexton, Ohio
Mary Shinn, Arkansas
Sally Stone, Idaho
Nadine Timm, Illinois
Joyce Walcott, California
April Zane, Illinois

https://identifyus.org/cases/852

 

[Wanting2Help]

Was this person ruled out?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walcott_joyce.html

She was ruled out.