Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[JSR]

Not only do I agree, but I got the boot from jury duty for saying something similar. Pretty sure there was no direct or hard evidence and I was going to have to take LE's word for it.
However, even the defense didn't want me. :floorlaugh:

So wait? You wouldn't take just any witnesses account? Or just wouldn't take a witness who is in LE account?

 

[PortlandMama]

It's quite simple to me.

Scenario 1. Imagine you're innocent of any wrongdoing but you're in the eye of the storm because of a missing child. The guy who used to do your lawn has decided to take the opportunity to make up a blackmail scheme and he comes to visit you with a scary looking pal, talking something very worrisome about killing your husband. You have no idea what's going on. What would you do?

I think you would call 911 because you would be scared for yourself and your husband and because there is a chance that this strangely acting guy and his scary friend have something to do with your child going missing.

Scenario 2. You asked your gardener to kill your husband but he didn't do it. Now you're in the middle of a missing child investigation and you think they suspect you. Suddenly the gardener who left you alone for months reappears with a friend and threatens to tell LE about your past conversations. You are feeling a little paranoid in every day situations and this makes your dangermeter blink on red alert. You think his friend kinda looks like an undercover agent and wonder if your lawnboy has already told LE and if this is a setup. What would you do? You need to act like you're innocent, so what do you do?

Plan 1. Stay silent.
Advantages: LE might not hear about your murder-for-hire plan. Disadvantages: You might have to pay him money that you don't have, and then some. Why would he quit having got ten grand? Also, if LE is watching your finances they will ask uncomfortable questions if money vanishes. Furthermore, if he's already told LE and if this is a setup, you will look like you have something to hide if you go along with the lawn guy's demands.

Plan 2. Inform LE.
Disadvantages: If the lawn guy hasn't told LE about your murder-for-hire plan they will find out. But if this is a set up it will not matter because they already know.
Advantages: If this is a setup, you have a chance to bluff your way through it saying you know nothing about any murder-for-hire plan. If it's his word against yours it might work. You look more innocent if you inform LE about the encounter yourself than if they need to come and ask you about it. An innocent person would call LE if someone talks about killing her husband and attempts blackmail.

I think it makes sense to call LE.

Three cheers! So much for connecting the dots, right? It's perfectly logical either way! :banghead:

 

[gardeness]

Then, as a mother, if you believed (and was shown some substantial evidence) that your spouse tried to have you killed would you not take the one child you are certain IS alive and run?

Yes, and the evidence would truly have to be *substantial*. I have no idea of what evidence they gave KH.

Right now there IS NO war. There's only a 7 year old child missing. And as a mother herself Terri should know this isn't about her ego, her appearance of being innocent, her marriage this is simply about Kyron. She should be having her atty make a statement that finding Kyron is the number one priority please keep looking for him. But she's said not a word. Not once since he's been missing.

She is being targeted--of course it's also about HER. I don't follow a lot of cases like this, but if you have someone as an example, who was treated the way TH has been treated, yet continued to talk and make statements, please let me know. Does this martyr exist? I want to add that before Kaine left, his statements were CONSTANTLY about Kyron being the #1 priority--and he *was* speaking for Terri and the other parents at the time.

It's vindictive as hell to think just because a parent did what they believed was in the best interests of their child to then say well I'm not giving them any information in regards to Kyron. This isn't about loyalty or Terri being hurt if she feels Kaine "turned" on her. None of that matters, not until Kyron is found.

She DID give information in regards to Kyron for 3 weeks. She more than cooperated for 3 weeks, then was turned on--yes, it is about being hurt--that is reality, not necessarily vindictive. At some point, one in her position will feel the need to protect herself.

 

[cypress]

She's also been divorced before. Why all of a sudden is divorce no longer an option?

Maybe history repeated itself? And I'm not talking about with Terri. Ahem.


(Although I'm not totally convinced of lawn guy's story.)

 

[grandmaj]

OK thread closing for clean up.

 

[Aedrys]

WHAT IF -- There have been rumors of Kaine having an affair. What if Kaine hired lawn boy (he had access to the same computers as Terri) to set up Terri for the murder-for-hire as a way to get out of his marriage and to get custody of his daughter, and this has absolutely nothing at all to do with Kyron's disappearance?

But according to LE, Kaine didn't know about the landscaper. I think this is going way out of bounds. Kaine doesn't seem like the type to go through all of that trouble just to get what we he wants in a divorce. He did well the first time around, so there is no reason to believe he'd have to concoct a crazy scheme like this to get his way in a divorce from Terri. Kaine is an engineer with a practical mentality. Something like the above fits someone more like Terri, not Kaine.

It does make me wonder if Terri knew a divorce was coming. And maybe this time she knew she wasn't going to do as well as the last two times. Let's face it, she did well in her other two divorces. Apparently something about this one wasn't going to go well for her, otherwise, I think she'd just get divorced. What if she did something to Kyron, maybe left a bruise on him, hurt him, something that Kaine would notice and definitely use against her in the divorce she knew was coming? Or maybe he saw her with someone not his father and she was afraid he'd say something to Kaine? Those would be reasons to get rid of him so that TH would do better in the divorce. She's used to getting her way in a divorce, and I can see her doing some drastic if she thinks the divorce is not going to go her way (based on what we know).

I know we don't have details or know what LE knows yet, but I think we need to stick to connecting the dots instead of tossing the dots up in the air and seeing where they land. Hopefully when we do see what LE knows, we'll finally know one way or another who is the guilty person. Until then, look at what we have. Everything points to TH. Nothing points to KH.

 

[gwenabob]

She's also been divorced before. Why all of a sudden is divorce no longer an option?

Because she no longer looks the way she did 8 years ago.

Because she can't get a job to support herself because there are no teaching jobs around here and her DUI and child endangerment charge.

Because she has a toddler now and it's hard to date when you have a little one and a lot of men her age would not be interested in raising a small child.

Because that would mean Kaine wins.

 

[gwenabob]

If the landscaper wanted to make up a good story to get Terri in trouble, wouldn't it make more sense to say she was looking for someone to take Kyron away?

 

[cypress]

But according to LE, Kaine didn't know about the landscaper. I think this is going way out of bounds. Kaine doesn't seem like the type to go through all of that trouble just to get what we he wants in a divorce. He did well the first time around, so there is no reason to believe he'd have to concoct a crazy scheme like this to get his way in a divorce from Terri. Kaine is an engineer with a practical mentality. Something like the above fits someone more like Terri, not Kaine.

It does make me wonder if Terri knew a divorce was coming. And maybe this time she knew she wasn't going to do as well as the last two times. Let's face it, she did well in her other two divorces. Apparently something about this one wasn't going to go well for her, otherwise, I think she'd just get divorced. What if she did something to Kyron, maybe left a bruise on him, hurt him, something that Kaine would notice and definitely use against her in the divorce she knew was coming? Or maybe he saw her with someone not his father and she was afraid he'd say something to Kaine? Those would be reasons to get rid of him so that TH would do better in the divorce. She's used to getting her way in a divorce, and I can see her doing some drastic if she thinks the divorce is not going to go her way (based on what we know).

I know we don't have details or know what LE knows yet, but I think we need to stick to connecting the dots instead of tossing the dots up in the air and seeing where they land. Hopefully when we do see what LE knows, we'll finally know one way or another who is the guilty person. Until then, look at what we have. Everything points to TH. Nothing points to KH.

The thing is, what's connecting the dots to one person, is tossing up the dots to another. In this case, I don't find what we know about Terri, which is very little, all that suspicious. I can reasonably explain away everything I know about her thus far.

There's absolutely no evidence that Terri loathed Kyron. None. In fact, to the contrary, there were a lot of pictures of him on her Facebook page. Maybe she commented more about baby K, but baby K was a baby and people tend to talk more about their babies, and baby K was also her only daughter. In all the pictures I've seen of Kyron, a lot of pictures taken by Terri, Kyron looks happy, at ease, well cared for, groomed, wearing nice clothes. He's eating, playing, loved. There's nothing damning in Terri's Facebook pictures of Kyron. Nothing, IMHO. This woman was active in his life apart from baby K's life. She volunteered at his school, helped him with his projects, spent time with him.

She hit the gym after Kyron was missing? So did Kaine. How do we know it wasn't Kaine's idea? They were together. The gym was also a rally point.

Per Terri's own words, she was proud of Kyron's project, giving him most of the credit. She took pictures. She took him to school. She left him there. There is absolutely no evidence, of which we are aware, to the contrary. Witnesses place them there, and if Kyron's friend is to be believed, witnesses place him there after Terri was seen leaving the school.

The press conference? Terri looked scared to me and like she felt out of place. If she's innocent, I'm sure she's scared -- for Kyron, for herself, for her daughter, her marriage. Innocent or guilty, she was experiencing a whirlwind of emotions. Maybe she felt like the others were blaming her. Desiree seemed very distant, I agree, and as if she didn't want to be touched, but at the second presser, Desiree reached for Terri's hand.

For three weeks, Terri cooperated -- she stayed mostly silent, the comments on the news site notwithstanding, she didn't incriminate herself, she submitted to interrogations without a lawyer present, she underwent two polygraph tests, she submitted to searches of her home and vehicles and presumably her computers. She didn't retain counsel for three weeks.

Lawn boy doesn't come forward about the murder for hire at any point, not even after Kyron goes missing. Not even after Kyron is missing for weeks. Why? LE contacts him, we have no idea about what they said to him, or if he coughed up this story on his own. Lawn boy arrives at Terri's house with undercover officer. He has enough time to demand payment for something, although obviously not for offing Kaine. She doesn't incriminate herself. In a split second decision she calls the police, perhaps not caring or worrying about them taking this guy seriously. She didn't attempt to hush him up. Per another thread in this section, LE wanted to arrest her for this murder for hire fiasco, but obviously (in my mind) needed her to incriminate herself. Again, it's obvious to me that there is no solid evidence against her other than this guy's word, or she'd be in jail. In this case, IMHO, LE needed her to incriminate herself for them to have a case. She didn't. She actually called LE for help. I can't decide if this woman is guilty and brilliant, or the unfortunate victim of a perfect storm scenario.

So, that's me connecting the dots, and those connected dots don't, in my mind, conclusively show that Terri harmed Kyron or approached lawn boy about murdering Kaine.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

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The thing is, what's connecting the dots to one person, is tossing up the dots to another. In this case, I don't find what we know about Terri, which is very little, all that suspicious. I can reasonably explain away everything I know about her thus far.
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So, that's me connecting the dots, and those connected dots don't, in my mind, conclusively show that Terri harmed Kyron or approached lawn boy about murdering Kaine.

Nice post!

 

[cluciano63]

I am starting to think like Cypress...

And as much as I was one to doubt the little boy's words early on, now I find myself at least wanting to know why they were seemingly discounted by LE. Were they able to determine that he saw Kyron earlier that morning, not after 8:45? But what about the little exchange he related about the group getting organized for the tour? What time was the tour? Was this pure embelllishment on his part? Maybe the teacher cleared it up by telling LE that this boy was not even in the group that Kyron would have been in? So that could not have happened? Am just starting to have questions about this one area where I did not before.

And I am sorry this is OT. No thread for this, as far as I know.

 

[Aedrys]

The thing is, what's connecting the dots to one person, is tossing up the dots to another. In this case, I don't find what we know about Terri, which is very little, all that suspicious. I can reasonably explain away everything I know about her thus far.

There's absolutely no evidence that Terri loathed Kyron. None. In fact, to the contrary, there were a lot of pictures of him on her Facebook page. Maybe she commented more about baby K, but baby K was a baby and people tend to talk more about their babies, and baby K was also her only daughter. In all the pictures I've seen of Kyron, a lot of pictures taken by Terri, Kyron looks happy, at ease, well cared for, groomed, wearing nice clothes. He's eating, playing, loved. There's nothing damning in Terri's Facebook pictures of Kyron. Nothing, IMHO. This woman was active in his life apart from baby K's life. She volunteered at his school, helped him with his projects, spent time with him.

She hit the gym after Kyron was missing? So did Kaine. How do we know it wasn't Kaine's idea? They were together. The gym was also a rally point.

Per Terri's own words, she was proud of Kyron's project, giving him most of the credit. She took pictures. She took him to school. She left him there. There is absolutely no evidence, of which we are aware, to the contrary. Witnesses place them there, and if Kyron's friend is to be believed, witnesses place him there after Terri was seen leaving the school.

The press conference? Terri looked scared to me and like she felt out of place. If she's innocent, I'm sure she's scared -- for Kyron, for herself, for her daughter, her marriage. Innocent or guilty, she was experiencing a whirlwind of emotions. Maybe she felt like the others were blaming her. Desiree seemed very distant, I agree, and as if she didn't want to be touched, but at the second presser, Desiree reached for Terri's hand.

For three weeks, Terri cooperated -- she stayed mostly silent, the comments on the news site notwithstanding, she didn't incriminate herself, she submitted to interrogations without a lawyer present, she underwent two polygraph tests, she submitted to searches of her home and vehicles and presumably her computers. She didn't retain counsel for three weeks.

Lawn boy doesn't come forward about the murder for hire at any point, not even after Kyron goes missing. Not even after Kyron is missing for weeks. Why? LE contacts him, we have no idea about what they said to him, or if he coughed up this story on his own. Lawn boy arrives at Terri's house with undercover officer. He has enough time to demand payment for something, although obviously not for offing Kaine. She doesn't incriminate herself. In a split second decision she calls the police, perhaps not caring or worrying about them taking this guy seriously. She didn't attempt to hush him up. Per another thread in this section, LE wanted to arrest her for this murder for hire fiasco, but obviously (in my mind) needed her to incriminate herself. Again, it's obvious to me that there is no solid evidence against her other than this guy's word, or she'd be in jail. In this case, IMHO, LE needed her to incriminate herself for them to have a case. She didn't. She actually called LE for help. I can't decide if this woman is guilty and brilliant, or the unfortunate victim of a perfect storm scenario.

So, that's me connecting the dots, and those connected dots don't, in my mind, conclusively show that Terri harmed Kyron or approached lawn boy about murdering Kaine.

So that automatically means Kaine did? There is no evidence to say that Kaine had anything to do with Kyron missing either. Terri is the one who was posting about "hitting the gym" on Facebook RIGHT AFTER Kyron went missing. If anything, Kaine went with her to gym to be supportive at first. She hasn't been very quiet either. I haven't seen him posting on Facebook or not so anonymously posting on other websites and defending himself, or having friends and family saying things about him because he won't say it himself. He's been working for LE, not for himself, but for Kyron. All TH has done is defend, defend, and defend HERSELF some more.

TH has the questionable past with the DUI, participating in a egotistical sport like bodybuilding, stealing Kaine from Desiree, and apparently degenerating in appearance since her bodybuilding days. I know she had a baby, but I've also know other moms who keep themselves in shape even after having baby. Why stop bodybuilding just because she's a mom? And Casey Anthony's mother can show you lots of pictures of Caylee looking well cared for and loved, and you know what? Casey still killed her. Just because there's happy family pictures doesn't mean there's a happy family. It doesn't mean she didn't snap and kill Kyron out of some rage at Kaine.

She was the last to see him at school, not Kaine. All we know that is Kyron and she were there, and now SHE is the only one of the two who left. The last to see means NO ONE ELSE saw Kyron, not that she had the bad luck to be the last one to see him. She possibly lied to teachers about an appointment that we don't even know if it existed. She gave a thumbs up when EVERYONE knew that the situation was just the opposite of that. While KH, DY, and TY have continuously worked directly with LE and kept the focus on Kyron, TH has been hiding with her attorney and not saying a word. Doesn't it look bad that she did cooperate and that still wasn't enough? Staying silent and hiding doesn't look like innocent behavior to me. And KH did what he had to to keep his daughter safe. Would you wait if you thought your child was directly in harm's way? I would have done the same thing he did.

Her body language and emotions are weird and not of someone that cares about Kyron and his whereabouts. She cares more about herself and how this situation is affecting her, otherwise, she'd be out there proclaiming her innocence and trying to find Kyron, not holing with a lawyer and avoiding everyone. She was out of place at the pressers, not part of that group and mimicking behavior to try and fit in. SHE is the one who hired a landscaper to KILL her husband and then didn't go through with it. Have we heard about anyone associated with Kaine that he hired to kill her? Not ONE person.

And that kid that claims he saw Kyron? Kids can be coached. Kids will say what think adults want them to say. His grandmother trotted him out so fast, I believe she coached him to say what she wanted to say. Plus, kids can get times and places wrong, which is why they don't make good witnesses. He was probably wrong about where and when he saw Kyron.

I don't get why it can't possibly be Terri, just ignore everything we know that points to Terri, so it has to be Kaine. She can't be a monster, but he can. She couldn't have hired a landscaper to kill him, but he could have hired a landscaper to kill her. Until I see proven fact that Kaine had anything to do with what happened to Kyron, I refuse to villanize, fantasize, or remotely suggest that he did this and she's just an innocent woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. There are too many coincidences to ignore that point right back to Terri. Nothing, I mean NOTHING points at Kaine at having anything to do with Kyron's disappearance or the landscaper.

I would also need proven fact to exonerate Terri as well, and I will gladly eat my words if I am wrong. I guess we're just on two different sides of the fence here.

 

[DairyGirl]

But according to LE, Kaine didn't know about the landscaper. I think this is going way out of bounds. Kaine doesn't seem like the type to go through all of that trouble just to get what we he wants in a divorce. He did well the first time around, so there is no reason to believe he'd have to concoct a crazy scheme like this to get his way in a divorce from Terri. Kaine is an engineer with a practical mentality. Something like the above fits someone more like Terri, not Kaine.

It does make me wonder if Terri knew a divorce was coming. And maybe this time she knew she wasn't going to do as well as the last two times. Let's face it, she did well in her other two divorces. Apparently something about this one wasn't going to go well for her, otherwise, I think she'd just get divorced. What if she did something to Kyron, maybe left a bruise on him, hurt him, something that Kaine would notice and definitely use against her in the divorce she knew was coming? Or maybe he saw her with someone not his father and she was afraid he'd say something to Kaine? Those would be reasons to get rid of him so that TH would do better in the divorce. She's used to getting her way in a divorce, and I can see her doing some drastic if she thinks the divorce is not going to go her way (based on what we know).

I know we don't have details or know what LE knows yet, but I think we need to stick to connecting the dots instead of tossing the dots up in the air and seeing where they land. Hopefully when we do see what LE knows, we'll finally know one way or another who is the guilty person. Until then, look at what we have. Everything points to TH. Nothing points to KH.

Also, from what I understand, they must have found the landscaper by going through the families contacts in the past. I am sure they found him by going through TH's contacts, not KH's.

 

[cypress]

So that automatically means Kaine did? There is no evidence to say that Kaine had anything to do with Kyron missing either. Terri is the one who was posting about "hitting the gym" on Facebook RIGHT AFTER Kyron went missing. If anything, Kaine went with her to gym to be supportive at first. She hasn't been very quiet either. I haven't seen him posting on Facebook or not so anonymously posting on other websites and defending himself, or having friends and family saying things about him because he won't say it himself. He's been working for LE, not for himself, but for Kyron. All TH has done is defend, defend, and defend HERSELF some more.

TH has the questionable past with the DUI, participating in a egotistical sport like bodybuilding, stealing Kaine from Desiree, and apparently degenerating in appearance since her bodybuilding days. I know she had a baby, but I've also know other moms who keep themselves in shape even after having baby. Why stop bodybuilding just because she's a mom?

She was the last to see him at school, not Kaine. All we know that is Kyron and she were there, and now SHE is the only one of the two who left. The last to see means NO ONE ELSE saw Kyron, not that she had the bad luck to be the last one to see him. She possibly lied to teachers about an appointment that we don't even know if it existed. She gave a thumbs up when EVERYONE knew that the situation was just the opposite of that. While KH, DY, and TY have continuously worked directly with LE and kept the focus on Kyron, TH has been hiding with her attorney and not saying a word. Doesn't look like innocent behavior to me. And KH did what he had to to keep his daughter safe. Would you wait if you thought your child was directly in harm's way? I would have done the same thing he did.

Her body language and emotions are weird and not of someone that cares about Kyron and his whereabouts. She cares more about herself and how this situation is affecting her, otherwise, she'd be out there proclaiming her innocence and trying to find Kyron, not holing with a lawyer and avoiding everyone. She was out of place at the pressers, not part of that group and mimicking behavior to try and fit in. SHE is the one who hired a landscaper to KILL her husband and then didn't go through with it. Have we heard about anyone associated with Kaine that he hired to kill her? Not ONE person.

I don't get why it can't possibly be Terri, just ignore everything we know that points to Terri, so it has to be Kaine. She can't be a monster, but he can. She couldn't have hired a landscaper to kill him, but he hired a landscaper to kill her. Until I see proven fact that Kaine had anything to do with what happened to Kyron, I refuse to villanize, fantasize or remotely suggest that he did this and she's just an innocent woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. There are too many coincidences to ignore that point right back to Terri. Nothing, I mean NOTHING points at Kaine at having anything to do with Kyron's disappearance or the landscaper.

I would also need proven fact to exonerate Terri as well, and I will gladly eat my words if I am wrong. I guess we're just on two different sides of the fence here.

I never said Kaine had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. I don't believe he did. It does seem like, to me, that people are supportive of all the theories that paint Terri as a monster to the exclusion of all else. She doesn't retain counsel for three weeks, so she's a narcissist, but when she does retain counsel, one of the best attorneys in the state, it is evidence of her guilt. Lawn boy is contacted by LE, and out comes this murder for hire story, so Terri is not only a narcissist but a sociopath, but when she doesn't incriminate herself, it gets even more complicated. Life is gray and messy, IMHO, and in my experience. It'd be easier if Terri was simply a monster, but I doubt that's going to be the case, and there's nothing in her life that points to it, IMHO.

I've believed all along that there is more to this story, or at least more surrounding this story. LE has not named Terri a POI or a suspect. She has not been arrested. There's been no evidence confirmed to the public that she has lied to investigators. The one deceptive answer on the polygraph, the cell phone pings, have been leaked by the media, and the media has gotten a lot wrong about this case already. The devil is in the details and all that.

The WHAT IF scenarios about lawn boy are just that, because I'm not totally convinced Terri is guilty of anything at this point.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

I know many people that do not believe divorce is an option specifically BECAUSE they have already been divorced at least once.

Have any of the mods checked to see if TH is a member of WS? I think it might explain how she would get away with this! :dance:

 

[Marple]

Sorry if this question has been answered, I've looked and didn't see it. Is it fact that the LS had no contact with TH for many months and then suddenly showed up asking for the money? I haven't seen anything in the media that confirms this. Is it possible that this is someone she had ongoing contact with up until Kyron was reported missing? Perhaps the RO will clear this up once it is released. TIA

 

[grandmaj]

It is against TOS for any member of WS to be outed or sleuthed.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

It is against TOS for any member of WS to be outed or sleuthed.

Just kidding.

 

[gardeness]

I never said Kaine had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. I don't believe he did. It does seem like, to me, that people are supportive of all the theories that paint Terri as a monster to the exclusion of all else. She doesn't retain counsel for three weeks, so she's a narcissist, but when she does retain counsel, one of the best attorneys in the state, it is evidence of her guilt. Lawn boy is contacted by LE, and out comes this murder for hire story, so Terri is not only a narcissist but a sociopath, but when she doesn't incriminate herself, it gets even more complicated. Life is gray and messy, IMHO, and in my experience. It'd be easier if Terri was simply a monster, but I doubt that's going to be the case, and there's nothing in her life that points to it, IMHO.

I've believed all along that there is more to this story, or at least more surrounding this story. LE has not named Terri a POI or a suspect. She has not been arrested. There's been no evidence confirmed to the public that she has lied to investigators. The one deceptive answer on the polygraph, the cell phone pings, have been leaked by the media, and the media has gotten a lot wrong about this case already. The devil is in the details and all that.

The WHAT IF scenarios about lawn boy are just that, because I'm not totally convinced Terri is guilty of anything at this point.

All good points. Completely agree.

 

[JBean]

Have any of the mods checked to see if TH is a member of WS? I think it might explain how she would get away with this! :dance:

LOL.
Well of course we would never reveal that anyway We preserve everyone's anonymity here.
We don't even know who any of you are.