Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[cluciano63]

All I can find about obligation to report crimes is the legal obligation of social workers, teachers, nurses, etc. obligated to report child abuse...not regular citizens...

 

[Chili Fries]

So the unfortunate possibilities are (if she decided to do something with Kyron to hurt Kaine):


She hired somebody to kidnap Kyron or she gave him to them (I think it's most likely she gave him to them). Either they still have Kyron (unlikely) or they killed him, or they were supposed to just hold him but they hurt him (like in the movie Fargo).

She said screw it, I'm tired of trying to hire people and did it herself.



I think which scenario happened makes a huge difference. If she did it and LE have a good idea she was on Sauvie Island then his body is probably somewhere on the island or in the river surrounding it. If she gave him to someone else then his body could be anywhere.

But why go to Sauvie Island to drop him off with someone? It seems like a weird place to meet because there is only one way on or off the island. It seems to me that if you were going to hand him off to someone then you would just meet at a place where the handoff happens and both parties go on their respective ways. This makes me think that if she did give him to someone it was someone who lives on the island and she took him to that person's residence or property. Sauvie Island doesn't make sense as a meeting place otherwise.

We have many indications that she lied to LE about her whereabouts after leaving the school that Friday. If that is true then she was up to something regarding Kyron so I think the above may narrow what happened a little.

 

[winterrose]

I reread the June 5th article where Carol M,Terri's Mom said Kyron was afraid to wonder from the house,Desiree said Kyron was afraid to wonder from her house and Kaine said Kyron stayed in bed till someone came to get him.There's alot of fear in that child,question is,how did it get there?Why would someone want to kill thier husband,the million dollar question is for fear or money?It doesn't make sense if she was afraid for Kyron to hide him when all she'd have to do is talk to Desiree,or make a way for Desiree to get custody.Why hire an illegal,because she thought they wouldn't talk?And if there was danger,why would she stay there with her daughter she's obsessed with?I don't think she'd live with him if he was abusive,she wouldn't put the daughter in danger,IMO.

 

[Chablis]

Ok that is it. I knew I had heard that before.

I don't think he needs to be charged at all because he will be a major witness for the prosecution.

My point on the subject was why is the Oregonian protecting his identity. I feel they should release his name and photo in case anyone saw him the day Kyron disappeared.

His part of undercover work is done. The cat is out of the bag.

Maybe hes being protected because LE have cleared him of anything Kyron related?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I am trying to find the law too. LOL LOL

If you have a better link than the one below, please post it.

https://www.oregonlaws.org/

Thanks,
RC

 

[citigirl]

I read here (at least I'm fairly certain that's where I read it) that there was a huge ongoing landscaping project at the school and something about the trucks used in that project being white. It was a LONG time ago when people were still wondering about who all might have been around the school that day. I think someone even posted a link to the school's website about the project -- maybe there were phots. And I think it came up again when LE distributed the flier with TH and the white truck I wouldn't even know where to begin to find those discussions, though. I'm new here and I haven't been able to figure out how to use the search function very well -- much to my chagrin. There's a LOT of info here!

You are right--there are such pictures. I was also thinking about the questions about a white truck seen on Sauvie Island

 

[wondering1]

All I can find about obligation to report crimes is the legal obligation of social workers, teachers, nurses, etc. obligated to report child abuse...not regular citizens...

It's a federal crime and requires knowledge of a committed felony. In the case of the ...ahem...landscaper, the felony could be TH's solicitation to commit murder?

 

[Dee10]

I am willing to bet that LE leaked this info. on purpose, to let TH know they are on to her with this added information. Pile on the pressure!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I just had this ridiculous flash in my mind of Kaine standing at a dike with his finger in a hole discussing teamwork.

Perhaps I'll commission a custom FesselSketch on that one.

Methinks the dike has already opened up, and the waterfall has begun to flow freely

 

[citigirl]

just want to add that KATU is also reporting this story and says they have independently confirmed it.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97767249.html

 

[Curious Me]

My opinion is that Kaine seems to be a husband that his wives know is going to take the children, maybe out of love or maybe for spite. It seems if both wives were so worried about that at one time, then Kaine must throw around the threat - "I'm going to take the kids and there's nothing you can do about it!"

I agree it's no reason for Terri to plan a murder, but maybe it didn't start out as a motive for money, but spite. Was she capable of placing Kyron in harm's way? There's no real logic to get rid of Kyron in a devious fashion...is there?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Oregon laws. Searchable.

https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/161.435

ETA I'd search, but I'm posting clandestinely -- supposed to be getting a picnic ready.

I'm searching and not coming up with anything.

 

[pinkpuddytat]

Why is the Oregonian protecting this guys identity? All he can do is testify now. Saying who he is does not change that at all. The sting part of the operation is over.

Release this guys name, he is an alleged criminal for not reporting the murder for higher scheme and there are people that might have seen him the day Kyron disappeared.

They should release his name and release his photo.

1) Perhaps the Oregonian would prefer not to face an expensive lawsuit when all of this guy's other clients drop him like a rock after seeing his name in the Oregonian. If he's not here illegally, that would be a very likely outcome, given that LE is obviously withholding his identity.

2) Actually, we have no idea that he didn't report Terri's murder-for-hire request to LE back when it happened. He may have done so, but told them truthfully that he had no idea if she was serious, and they may have looked at the family's lack of history of contact with LE and figured it was just a joke or misunderstanding, and dropped it. Or he may have figured she couldn't be serious, was just a nutcase, didn't end up doing any yard work for her, and never gave it another thought or even remembered (or knew) her name, until he saw her picture and home on the news in connection with Kyron's disappearance, and promptly contacted LE at that point. I have a guy who does occasional yardwork for me, who I know doesn't know my name, and who I know only as "John" -- I met him when he was doing work for a next door neighbor, and I assume he's illegal (Irish) since he always makes clear he'd prefer to be paid in cash and won't provide a mailing address for a check, even if it will mean weeks of delay in getting paid (I don't live at the property full time).

The article doesn't make at all clear how LE learned that this man had ever had any contact with Terri. He may well have come forward very early on, in response to the public appeals for tips, or he may have no longer been in the area and a former co-worker called in to LE that he'd once been to the Horman home with this landscaper he used to work for re bidding on a job, but never ended up working there. If the "landscaper" is an illegal immigrant who really just does unskilled labor, he may move around a lot in search of more work opportunities (or might even have gone to back to his home country when the economy took too much of a toll on his business).

LE also might have learned of the landscaper from a list Terri gave them of everyone who had been to the family's home in the past year (she might have voluntarily included him to avoid suspicion if he came forward independently in response to the public appeals). And then LE might have become suspicious when they interviewed Kaine and discovered he had no recollection of Terri ever having talked about hiring a landscaper, and decided it was worth tracking this guy down even if it appeared likely that he'd left the area months ago.

Just because we didn't hear about this landscaper until this morning, doesn't mean he wasn't already on LE's radar screen weeks ago, even if it may have taken them some to locate him and formally interview him. LE has certainly appeared to be a lot more focused on Terri since the very beginning, than they publicly admit to, and knowledge of something about the landscaper (even if not the whole scoop) may have been part of the reason.

 

[wondering1]

I'm searching and not coming up with anything.

Here ya go

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 4
Prev | Next § 4. Misprision of felony
How Current is This? Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/1/4

 

[RoughlyCollie]

It's a federal crime and requires knowledge of a committed felony. In the case of the ...ahem...landscaper, the felony could be TH's solicitation to commit murder?

The federal crime in the U.S. Code doesn't apply to the states. The states have to have their own misprision of felony laws.

IOW, if the crime X fails to report is a federal crime, it falls under the U.S.C.A. (United States Code Annotated). If the crime is a state crime, state law applies.

 

[mtnone]

It sounds to me like the sheriff didn't want to see that story printed. It is private. It conceivably could hurt the investigation.

I don't believe for one minute this wasn't 'leaked' by LE.



And how Kaine can think that the whole community should care and be involved in looking for his son and not pay any attention to the family that son lived with is just, just..... darn, what is the word I am looking for here. Delusional?

 

[wondering1]

The federal crime doesn't apply to the states. The states have to have their own misprision of felony laws.

IOW, if the crime X fails to report is a federal crime, it falls under the U.S.C.A. (United States Code Annotated). If the crime is a state crime, state law applies.

right...but that doesn't mean he can't be charged at all. The FBI can enforce it, certainly, right?

 

[cluciano63]

One definition of "blended" according to dictionary.net

...to Pollute by association, to spoil, to corrupt...

 

[lightlady]

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

This article sheds a bit more light on it (sorry if it has been posted, I didn't see it). Says Terri claimed Kaine was having an affair and that the landscaper had come forward to police.

 

[Haeve]

If you have a better link than the one below, please post it.

https://www.oregonlaws.org/

Thanks,
RC

Here's the ORS (Oregon Revised Statutes) official website:

http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/ors_info.html

Note that only the 2009 print edition of ORS is considered the official text of the law.

I can answer some questions about ORS if you have any.