Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[stmarysmead]

I agree, BUT I'm trying to remain hopeful that besides telling KH about the alleged murder-for-hire plot, they also revealed something to him that accounts for the renewed optimism shown at the press briefing.

I wonder if she told the Landscaper that she wanted to kill her husband because she wanted to keep BOTH children, not just her own?

I don't know how these conversations go, but maybe he asked "Why kill him and not just leave?" Maybe she gave that motivation to justify a terrible request.

If that was the case, LE might have told the parents that stashing Kyron and then filing for divorce...might be her Plan B.

Maybe that us why Mom began her presser saying Kyron was alive and ended it begging Terri for help.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

Who offers the landscaper $ to off their spouse?? I don't know if I believe this.. I would like to think Terri is smarter than that!
Probably just someone else trying to insert themselves in this case.

 

[TrialAddict]

Did this guy go to LE before June 26th or did LE find him after the call he and Terri had. Was her phone tapped or did he use 3 way calling so LE could listen? If that is legal

 

[Reality Orlando]

Does anyone remember exactly when the Snuggie picture was taken? In that picture, which I know was taken sometime last year, Terri looks very healthy. She looks markedly different now, like something has taken a toll on her body. I think something has definitely changed her in the last year, whether it's alcohol, depression or meds for a psychological condition I don't know but there is something.

Has there been anything said about her possibly using steroids for body building? I know I read somewhere that she was working out to compete in another competition soon, but from what I've seen, she doesn't look close to being in shape to compete. Steroids can have awful side effects:

"Psychological Effects

Administration of AS may affect behavior. Increased testosterone levels in the blood are associated with masculine behavior, aggressiveness and increased sexual desire. Increased aggressiveness may be beneficial for athletic training, but may also lead to overt violence outside the gym or the track. There are reports of violent, criminal behavior in individuals taking AS. Other side effects of AS are euphoria, confusion, sleeping disorders, pathological anxiety, paranoia, and hallucinations.

Anabolic steroid users may become dependent on the drug, with symptoms of withdrawal after cessation of drug use. The withdrawal symptoms consist of aggressive and violent behavior, mental depression with suicidal behavior, mood changes, and in some cases acute psychosis."

http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/anabstereff/anabstereff.html

 

[mrsu]

He didn't interject himself in the case. LE found out, and pursued him.

Yes, LE came across him in interviewing those associated with the family. He could have easily not mentioned anything about it since nothing ever came to be, but instead chose to be honest, therefore injecting himself and his business to public scrutiny. As a business owner myself, I can't see someone doing that if what they are saying isn't true...especially since it means associating himself with TH, who is not a very popular person right now.

I realize, it's the honest thing to do, but I can't see what he would have to gain by making something like this up?

 

[songline]

Why would he interject himself (not to mention his business reputation) in this case if there was no truth to it. Doesn't make any sense.

There could be many reasons, many suggested previously, as to why he may have not come forth sooner.

I do not have an answer for you, nor do I know that h interjected himself. MAYBE he was just one of the people interviewd - someone close to the house who would see things and knows the child.
I think if there was merit to his story, he would have gone to LE when it happend. Why is he telling the story now? :waitasec:

 

[wondering1]

I now wonder if she had been planning this for months, and was just waiting for the perfect opportunity (Science Fair / talent show day). I wouldn't be surprised if, in her own mind, she was very careful to project a "perfect step-mom" image beginning around the time her son was removed from the house. That way, if/when she succeeded in making Kyron disappear, maybe she thought people would look back and think how helpful she'd been with his schoolwork, how much volunteering she'd done up at school, etc., and would think, "Poor Terri!" rather than suspect the truth. Actually, maybe everyone's (anticipated) sympathy was just another fringe benefit in her mind.

I read a comment somewhere very early on addressing this topic from someone who was presenting themselves as if they knew what they were saying as an absolute fact. I'm pretty new here, though, I don't think it's allowed to post about what they said or where they said it, even in light of these developments. Someone let me know if I can. Otherwise I'll assume that I can't.

 

[Tuffy]

I'm am very curious who told LE and when.Something is not right here.

No one told LE, they found him:

"After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family. They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge."

This is from the article linked at the beginning of this thread.

 

[krowdkat]

To believe or not to believe!? If this charge was true surely there would be an arrest already.

If LE didn't have cause to confiscate the home PC's, they certainly do now, right?!?

Wow, this case is just plain crazy!

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Did this guy go to LE before June 26th or did LE find him after the call he and Terri had. Was her phone tapped or did he use 3 way calling so LE could listen? If that is legal

This is what I read about the attempt to record corroboration:

Detectives with the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team shared the landscaper's account with Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, last weekend, prompting him to leave the house June 26 with the couple's 19-month-old daughter.

Within two days, he obtained a family law attorney and filed divorce papers and a petition for a restraining order under the Family Abuse Prevention Act.

Investigators also recorded a conversation June 26 among the cooperating landscaper, Terri Horman and an undercover law enforcement officer, but Horman shut down the conversation fairly quickly, sources said.

Detectives later confronted Terri Horman directly with the murder-for-hire allegation, which she denied, sources say. She has not been charged with a crime, as a criminal investigation proceeds.

From:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html


ETA: Thus, LE knew what this guy had to say before June 26th, and I take it that they attempted a three-way conversation... though the "among" usage there is a bit baffling.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I can think of at least 2 reasons why a landscaper might not want to rat Terri out:

- he may be an illegal alien. Many landscapers are from South America.
- he may not have a license and/or insurance to do landscaping work. (I am unsure of the laws in his state/county, but many places require both)

 

[sofia76]

Side note: Kaine hired an attorney.

"Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman's attorney, declined to comment Saturday night other than to say: "I just want to do whatever is going to help law enforcement right now."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

Laura Rackner is his DIVORCE attorney.

 

[songline]

Yes, LE came across him in interviewing those associated with the family. He could have easily not mentioned anything about it since nothing ever came to be, but instead chose to be honest, therefore injecting himself and his business to public scrutiny. As a business owner myself, I can't see someone doing that if what they are saying isn't true...especially since it means associating himself with TH, who is not a very popular person right now.

I realize, it's the honest thing to do, but I can't see what he would have to gain by making something like this up?

I do not know what he has to gain....He should have gone to LE long ago, WHAT DID HE HAVE TO LOSE???
They are not deporting the illegals so what was he waiting for? IF SHE DID ask him to murder her husband? What was he doing still working for her? Why would he be working for a potential murderer? He knew that finger can point to him if anything did happen? Why didn't he run after that strange request?
I do not believe it...This case has many twists, and it seems Terry is getting the worst part of it all.

 

[Barry]

This is what I read about the attempt to record corroboration:




From:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html


ETA: Thus, LE knew what this guy had to say before June 26th, and I take it that they attempted a three-way conversation... though the "among" usage there is a bit baffling.

We're not in Kansas anymore.

 

[songline]

I can think of at least 2 reasons why a landscaper might not want to rat Terri out:

- he may be an illegal alien. Many landscapers are from South America.
- he may not have a license and/or insurance to do landscaping work. (I am unsure of the laws in his state/county, but many places require both)

She did not have the only Lawn in Town. Why would he stay after she may have asked him to murder someone?
I would run to the next Lawn - the next Street - the next Town.

 

[wondering1]

Who offers the landscaper $ to off their spouse?? I don't know if I believe this.. I would like to think Terri is smarter than that!
Probably just someone else trying to insert themselves in this case.

You just never know. One of my classmates in LAW school was going through a messy divorce and she was busted and prosecuted for hiring someone to off her husband, right in the middle of the semester. One day she was sitting in the student lounge talking about torts and the next she was on the front page being arrested. She did/may still be doing time. She was just an average middle-aged woman going back to school after the kiddos were gone. You'd think someone in her position surely would know better, but quite the opposite. It was a pretty clear case. She was busted when the person she hired went to LE. An undercover agent got involved and she was quickly caught red-handed. I can't remember whether it was in with a phone call or in person, but I'm thinking it was a phone call involving the undercover agent.

 

[sofia76]

I can think of at least 2 reasons why a landscaper might not want to rat Terri out:

- he may be an illegal alien. Many landscapers are from South America.
- he may not have a license and/or insurance to do landscaping work. (I am unsure of the laws in his state/county, but many places require both)

That was my first thought. Out in western Portland and Washington County especially, there are a lot of central and south american landscapers. My landscaper is central american, as is my handyman. They are both of legal status, but many others are not. Also, a person could be legal, but they might have family members who are not. And there have been some serious raids here in Oregon. Besides, if he went to police, it could very easily have turned into his word against hers. Not saying he shouldn't have gone to police, but I can think of a lot of practical reasons why he might not have. In any case, I'm glad police found him and that he gave them what information he had.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Maybe she was having an affair with him? Maybe the idea was to kill Kaine and live in the house with the gardener?

This case is actually making the Cummings and Anthonys look somewhat normal.

JMO

OMG and what a statement THAT is!!~!!

I honestly can't remember waking up to news on the internet such as this and being so flabbergasted, seriously.

This is a conniving husband and I am completely floored by this new developement.

Poor Kaine, even if he is a horrible husband, no person deserves to lose his child and then find out his wife wanted HIM killed. I really feel for what he is going through.

Also, whats he weather around Portland In January, isn't it cold and snowy, etc? Why call a landscaper at that time of year, unless its for snow removal?

 

[STEADFAST]

This would sure explain why LE was staying with the Horman family 24/7 near the beginning of the case. Maybe when they just couldn't justify the man hours anymore, they advised Kaine to take his daughter and get out.

It could be there was a series of calls to this guy from Terri, but no yard work done, so he had to confess the reason for the calls. Or, it's possible he thought Terri wasn't serious when she contacted him, but then when Kyron went missing, he realized maybe she was. It's possible this guy didn't even know Kyron was missing before LE contacted him, especially if they went through Terri's phone calls right away. I get the feeling LE has know all about this from early on.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm am very curious who told LE and when.Something is not right here.

About the landscaper? I'm getting the impression that many are not reading the article before posting.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

(snip)
After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family. They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.