Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[RoughlyCollie]

Thanks I was looking for a way to enlarge everything on some sites. This worked great for me. I can even use it here to enlarge the whole page I am as blind as a bat when reading on some sites

Me too, and I was thrilled when someone told me about this lately.

 

[winterrose]

I wonder when the next shoe will be dropped.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Then I would expect her attorney, or another one she hires to tell them to charge her with the crime, or drop it. This is a he said, she said. They have to have more, and I have no doubt they do. I just wonder what?

There will be an RO hearing where she can be present and give her evidence and force him to come up with what he has.

 

[Donjeta]

It would be so thrilling to start an affair with someone who wanted her previous partner killed. There's never a boring day because she might tire of you too. Living every day like it's your last... Never order pizza again without wondering if the delivery guy shows up with a gun instead.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Maybe that helps explain the 'worried' look on TH's face at the PC. She may have been arranging to have KH killed, waiting for an opportunity or funding. But then Kyron disappeared...that may not have been anything she planned, but she wouldn't know if it was connected or through the contracting she was doing...? Just a thought?

 

[T-Rex]

Sorry, here's the link. http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

"According to sources, Terri Horman had described being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her by having an extra-marital relationship."

And THERE is the answer to everything.

 

[Haeve]

TITLE 14

PROCEDURE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS GENERALLY

Chapter 131. Preliminary Provisions; Limitations; Jurisdiction; Venue; Criminal Forfeiture; Crime Prevention

ORS 131.125 Time limitations. (1) A prosecution for aggravated murder, murder, attempted murder or aggravated murder, conspiracy or solicitation to commit aggravated murder or murder or any degree of manslaughter may be commenced at any time after the commission of the attempt, conspiracy or solicitation to commit aggravated murder or murder, or the death of the person killed.


BBM

OK, this is why I'm not a lawyer. Isn't (per the definitions in my earlier post) conspiracy to, or solicitation to commit murder automatically make it aggravated murder, so can you solicit or conspire to commit aggravated murder if it already is? It seems like a circular argument. My head hurts.

Anyway, I hope this helps. I need to also see if there's such a thing as "attempted aggravated murder" or if solicitation, whether or not the murder is actually carried out, automatically brings an aggraved murder charge. Can anybody help untangle this?

 

[sorrell skye]

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

A reliable source has told KGW News that investigators believe that Terri has lied to investigators and that there have been several instances where they have wanted to know more about her whereabouts the day her son disappeared, including:

* after cell phone records seemed to indicate that she may not have been where she said on that day;

* after her performance during several hours of polygraphs which, the source said, indicated that she was being "evasive"; and

* after examining files from her computer.

Investigators have also examined Terri's cell phone and email records, determining whom she had had contact with in the days leading up to her son's disappearance.

 

[eyes4crime]

For those interested, here is a profile of a murder for hire person (mastermind) - and the doer.

~~SNIP~~

Unlike rapists, sex murderers, pathological fire setters, and pedophiles, murder-for-hire masterminds do not conform to a general psychological profile. They are men and women of various ages and backgrounds who solicit their murders pursuant to a diverse range of motives. Murder plotters, compared to murder doers, tend to be older, more commonly female, and are less likely to have histories of crime or violence. Given the pre-meditated nature of a murder-for-hire plot, masterminds, while sociopathic, desperate, depressed, drug-addled, or simply not very bright, are not psychotic and therefore not mentally ill enough to be found legally insane. Without the benefit of the insanity defense, masterminds, when their backs are against the criminal justice wall, tend to throw themselves to the mercy of the court. They often cite, as justification for their murderous intentions, abuse, depression, and addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally, these pleas for mercy and understanding fall on deaf judicial ears, particularly when the mastermind was motivated by greed as in avoiding the cost of divorce, benefiting from a life insurance policy, or inheriting the victim’s estate.
~~SNIP~~

http://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/hire/overview.html

 

[wondering1]

Then I would expect her attorney, or another one she hires to tell them to charge her with the crime, or drop it. This is a he said, she said. They have to have more, and I have no doubt they do. I just wonder what?

She doesn't need to have committed a proveable crime for him to get or keep an RO.

 

[xin]

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

A reliable source has told KGW News that investigators believe that Terri has lied to investigators and that there have been several instances where they have wanted to know more about her whereabouts the day her son disappeared, including:

* after cell phone records seemed to indicate that she may not have been where she said on that day;

* after her performance during several hours of polygraphs which, the source said, indicated that she was being "evasive"; and

* after examining files from her computer.

Investigators have also examined Terri's cell phone and email records, determining whom she had had contact with in the days leading up to her son's disappearance.

There is TONS of information from cell and computer. TONS. So, maybe we expect bombshell 'o day till she gets the idea that she better start talking about what happened to the kid.

MO

 

[Kimmer]

Here are a few of my thoughts on this case..I certainly think that TH was trying to get the landscaper to feel sorry for her, I have had plenty of peeps mow my grass, not one time have I ever carried out a conversation about my family or my marriage, so she must have been talking alot to him for him to get that much info out of her and for her to feel comfortable with him to ask him to kill her husband...I am in no way saying that she way having an affair with him but this is also not a casual friendship....I have also thought about this for days so please don't shoot me, but every time I hear about her saying the cat is OK could this be code for a possible horrible name that she possible called him....I am not about to type what I think that name could have been...

 

[roseofsharon]

Also pretty pointless IMO. Anyone who wants a landscaper can find dozens on Craiglist on any given day, and if you wanted one sketchy enough to take on a murder as a side job, that's the sort of place you'd look -- not among landscapers hired by a school district that has to follow a zillion policies in screening and hiring any type of worker.

Hmmm -- and the dichotomy of this is that this school district didn't even have a policy in place for children who don't show up at school, but they adhere to stringent policies regarding screening and hiring. What good is it, if they don't even report a child missing!!:banghead:

 

[BeanE]

"Something" is likely a euphemism for "sex"...hence the "she led him on" clarification

Well then they should have said a lil sumpin sumpin, so it was clear.

 

[DocBrainerd]

My guess is that Terri's long range plan was to collect Kaine's life insurance or perhaps an inheritance/trust fund upon his death. In order to make herself and her (and Kaine's) daughter the sole beneficiaries, she needed to get Kyron out of the way first. Perhaps her initial inquiries regarding a 'hit' on Kaine were part of an earlier (now revised) plan that changed when she saw the benefit of getting rid of Kyron first and then Kaine at a later date. More likely, IMHO, her plan all along involved the separate deaths/dissappearances of both Kyron and Kaine. Kyron would be eliminated first, with the 'hit' on Kaine become operational at some pre-determined later point in time. Additionally, I'd speculate that her plan my have been to stage a scenerio where it would appear that Kyron wanders from school, but then perishes due to exposure or drowning, thus without raising the specter of any criminal element. Perhaps she successfully removed Kyron from the school without being seen, but was unsuccessful at setting up the scene of his 'natural' death. If LE are also considering this a possible scenario, then they may believe Kyron was being kept alive until his accidental/natural demise could be staged, hence Desiree and Kaine's recent change in tone regarding Kyron's status as live or dead. With the new info from LE (according to the above scenario) Kyron's parents probably believe there is an improved (although still slim) chance he's still alive.

 

[T-Rex]

"Terri Horman had described being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her by having an extra-marital relationship."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

We've been guessing about motive up until now, but here, we have an actual news report that Terri believed her husband had an affair. It doesn't mean he did, but that KGW has sources that she said he did.

 

[Emma Peel]

okay, I've made the rounds of papers and blogs and just stopped back home to say:

Time for a nice salt bath. :bath:

Then some fireworks!

:seeya: ttyl!

 

[SuziQ]

For those interested, here is a profile of a murder for hire person (mastermind) - and the doer.

~~SNIP~~

Unlike rapists, sex murderers, pathological fire setters, and pedophiles, murder-for-hire masterminds do not conform to a general psychological profile. They are men and women of various ages and backgrounds who solicit their murders pursuant to a diverse range of motives. Murder plotters, compared to murder doers, tend to be older, more commonly female, and are less likely to have histories of crime or violence. Given the pre-meditated nature of a murder-for-hire plot, masterminds, while sociopathic, desperate, depressed, drug-addled, or simply not very bright, are not psychotic and therefore not mentally ill enough to be found legally insane. Without the benefit of the insanity defense, masterminds, when their backs are against the criminal justice wall, tend to throw themselves to the mercy of the court. They often cite, as justification for their murderous intentions, abuse, depression, and addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally, these pleas for mercy and understanding fall on deaf judicial ears, particularly when the mastermind was motivated by greed as in avoiding the cost of divorce, benefiting from a life insurance policy, or inheriting the victim’s estate.
~~SNIP~~

http://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/hire/overview.html

I found what I bolded in red very interesting. The real reason always shines through.

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

First time logging on today and this is what I see. Holy freaking crap is about all I can say right now! Is this for real? OMG WHERE IS KRYON

 

[sofia76]

My guess is that Terri's long range plan was to collect Kaine's life insurance or perhaps an inheritance/trust fund upon his death. In order to make herself and her (and Kaine's) daughter the sole beneficiaries, she needed to get Kyron out of the way first. Perhaps her initial inquiries regarding a 'hit' on Kaine were part of an earlier (now revised) plan that changed when she saw the benefit of getting rid of Kyron first and then Kaine at a later date. More likely, IMHO, her plan all along involved the separate deaths/dissappearances of both Kyron and Kaine. Kyron would be eliminated first, with the 'hit' on Kaine become operational at some pre-determined later point in time. Additionally, I'd speculate that her plan my have been to stage a scenerio where it would appear that Kyron wanders from school, but then perishes due to exposure or drowning, thus without raising the specter of any criminal element. Perhaps she successfully removed Kyron from the school without being seen, but was unsuccessful at setting up the scene of his 'natural' death. If LE are also considering this a possible scenario, then they may believe Kyron was being kept alive until his accidental/natural demise could be staged, hence Desiree and Kaine's recent change in tone regarding Kyron's status as live or dead. With the new info from LE (according to the above scenario) Kyron's parents probably believe there is an improved (although still slim) chance he's still alive.

Makes sense to me.

But I don't think Kyron is alive.