Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[Haeve]

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I KNEW the "abuse card" was coming. Gee, can't anyone be original these days? As far as abuse, I just don't buy that. It is possible that Kaine was a difficult person to live w/; but, Terri is a former body builder. I have a really hard time believing that she would allow a man like Kaine to abuse her.

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I agree with you about Kaine not being abuser at least with what little solid information we have about his actual behavior toward TH was, except that her being a bodybuilder doesn't necessarily mean she would be immune to abuse.

A dear friend of mine worked in the DV (domestic violence) field. You would be totally surprised who ends up being a victim of DV. Totally strong (mentally, physically) women can be victims.

Here's a great site about the signs of DV:

http://helpguide.org/mental/domestic_violence_abuse_types_signs_causes_effects.htm

Again, I don't think we have enough to go on IRT the actual situation between KH and TH. I do know that most of Oregon has excellent resources for women (and men) in this situation. One wouldn't have to rely on murder to get out of a DV situation!

On a more personal note--my father was abusive toward my mother. Now, she's a piece of work but didn't deserve that. She finally got tired of it, got all her ducks in a row and kicked him out. 35 years ago tomorrow, actually. He's a jerk, but not a monster, and he moved out without a fuss. She's a narcissistic nutjob, but not a monster. She went through the usual channels to get out of the situation. Some women stay in these situations longer, some for shorter lengths of time, but as atypical as KH may be, he just doesn't strike me as an abuser. For example, all those photos of him obviously enjoying his kids. Pics of my dad with his family? Glowering in every single one! Again, Just My Own Experience. YMMV

It's entirely plausible that KH is controlling but, unless he kept her under lock and key, which I don't see evidence of, she had ways to get out of a theoretical abuse situation.

I've also been in a controlling, verbally abusive relationship. It is certainly demoralizing, but he couldn't watch me all the time. It took a while, but I got out without resorting to soliciting someone to harm my ex.

OTOH mother was also controlling and verbally abusive but everything looked sort of OK from the outside. Family members now tell me they felt sorry for me, but they didn't see the worst of it. I should have been taken out of that home.

This is so complicated. :banghead: I guess in the end what I'm trying to say is that I don't see the extremes of DV here that would justify murder, kidnapping, etc. And if TH is indeed lying about the abuse, that just makes it worse for all the women who are in actual DV situations. I really hate that. :furious: And I really hope I'm right about KH. OK, I've rambled enough now. Carry on. :blushing:

 

[Curious Me]

I think the subject of a life insurance policy on Kyron likely being a part of the divorce agreement KH and DY have has been discussed here... so assume both KH and DY have policies on Kyrons.

Upon Kyron's death the Hormans would come into soe money... and then if KH suffers an unfortunate "accident" shortly thereafter, TH would come into another sum of money.

Sounds like a good idea to get rid of the kid first, to ensure a) they get Kyron's death benefit and b) Kyron would not inherit part of KH's insurance.

I have been a TH supporter til this info came out. I absolutely believe she is responsible now.
That poor little boy

What an ambitious plan TH had if that is the case. Total greed as the motive. What happened to the woman who was a loving StepMom to Kyron for years?

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I've been on this same train as you guys for a long time now, every time that lady opens her mouth seems to me to be a lie. It's so hard not to want to look into what she says, but I think she is the absolute queen of misinformation, red herrings and 'oh poor me.' Now it will be she was beaten, tied in a closet, mind-melded to Satanists and the only way out was to take Kyron. Whatever.

When has TH opened her mouth and said anything? All I have see is reports of other people saying she said something.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

If she solicited to have him murdered 7 months ago and maybe used a few people.why isn't he dead yet?Some thing is not right with this story.

I guess they all thought she was joking and all refrained from reporting it. LOL

 

[Day Dreamer]

Maybe last Fall, Terri wanted to have Kaine killed because their marriage wasn't going as she wanted. but then, when she realized the difficulty of actually finding someone who would agree to kill him, she hatched another plan. If Kyron disappeared, maybe Kaine would feel sorry for her and turn to her for comfort. and they could live happily ever after with their baby girl.

Or, the first part of the above, about the difficulty of having Kaine killed, but then Kaine sent her son away, and now she was really mad and wanted him to hurt in the worst way possible.

Just the simple fact that she entertained the idea of having her husband killed to the extent that she actually propositioned someone makes me feel that she is not above anything, including harming Kyron.

I would also say her oldest son could definitely shed light on this case. I think she sent him back early after the disappearance to avoid him telling anything he may know (like he did to his dad about the LDT).

 

[cluciano63]

Somehow this whole new story does not shock me that much, this case has made me even more jaded than I already was. It startled me when I first saw the headlines posted today, but here it is, just hours later, and I am over it. Unless the landscape guy is relevant to the Kyron investigation, he is nothing more than a witness sometime down the line, if and when. He does not move the case closer to a conclusion. And once again, a big distraction from the Kyron question.

Can this group provide any more distractions? I know they say they want the opposite, but gee whiz. Possible murder plots, sudden divorce filings, RO to beat the band, excluded press, and that is just in one week...

 

[Forensic fan]

I'd like a link please where it says TH was having an affair with the lawn man. Thanks.

I'm sorry, I just posted that as one of my thoughts and put MOO. It is just my opinion.

 

[allboys]

I am worried about 4 things, assuming Kyron is alive.

First, what kind of person could be persuaded to take Kyron, especially since Terri is not his parent or legal guardian? Unless Terri convinced the person that s/he was saving Kyron's life or mental health, this does not bode well for Kyron. Further, who would be convinced of that without positive proof? Any rational, reasonable adult would realize that this is a crime and report this to the police. How could it not be a crime? This is a defenseless child we are talking about.

Second, what kind of person would let this investigation continue? Do they plan to keep Kyron forever, even if just to save themselves from having to go to prison? If not, what has happened to him?

Third, how was Terri going to have Kyron reappear without running a huge risk of serving a lengthy prison sentence -- by magic, a black hole regurgitated him?

Fourth, if Terri intends for Kyron to never reappear, although he is alive, what the h*ll did she do with him?

It cannot be that easy to get rid of a child by handing him off to someone else, unless the middle class mother has contact with at least one criminal who will help her either directly or by finding another criminal.

I am a middle class mom with no connections to criminals and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get rid of one of my kids without a criminal connection.

RC

Could she have come in contact with a criminal when she received her DUI? Did she spend a night in jail??

 

[Forensic fan]

Here is an attractive lawn man for you Calm down everyone! This is not "the" lawn man. This is only a stress relieving post.

Do you have a link? And his phone number???

 

[Curious Me]

Just the simple fact that she entertained the idea of having her husband killed to the extent that she actually propositioned someone makes me feel that she is not above anything, including harming Kyron.

I would also say her oldest son could definitely shed light on this case. I think she sent him back early after the disappearance to avoid him telling anything he may know (like he did to his dad about the LDT).

BBM - can't figure out what LDT means.

It's true what you say about anybody that reaches the point where they actually want another human killed should be looked at more closely in the disappearance of a little boy. At least now the investigation makes alittle more sense.

I've seen videos of mothers contracting hits even on their children, but I hope this is not the case that she wanted to harm Kyron.

 

[Curious Me]

Yeah, more lawn men pics!

 

[WhyaDuck?]

BBM - can't figure out what LDT means.

It's true what you say about anybody that reaches the point where they actually want another human killed should be looked at more closely in the disappearance of a little boy. At least now the investigation makes alittle more sense.

I've seen videos of mothers contracting hits even on their children, but I hope this is not the case that she wanted to harm Kyron.

LDT = Lie Detector Test.

ETA: I almost put "MOO" after that... I think this case is making me edgy.

 

[Sherbie]

So I think it is safe to say that maybe Kaine told a fib when he said LE did not look at their computers...which I never bought anyway unless LE was/is completely incompetent...

At least if the article has that part right, about how LE came across this guy and others they interviewed, which makes perfect sense.

I think this only adds to the mess of Kyron's life, but I don't think it improves his chances...wish it did.

Maybe that's why they encouraged Terri to exercise and such, just to get her out of the house so that (with Kaine's permission and no need for a search warrant) they could make copies of the hard drives of their computers.

I feel like Kaine has been complicit in helping LE do whatever needs to be done, including keeping Terri distracted and occupied while LE searched whatever they wanted to search without her knowledge. I believe there need be consent of only one of the property owners in order for LE not to need a warrant.

 

[grandmaj]

Let's get back on target here. All of our theories should be based on some factual information. Let's do less theorizing and more discussion about the facts we learned today.

This thread is turning into wild theories. Let's talk about facts and how they may relate to finding Kyron.

Thank You. :grouphug:

Is there anything we learned today that would change your mind, point to finding an alive Kyron, are you more hopeful, what do you think LE can do with this information?

 

[AbbieNormal]

BBM - can't figure out what LDT means.

It's true what you say about anybody that reaches the point where they actually want another human killed should be looked at more closely in the disappearance of a little boy. At least now the investigation makes alittle more sense.

I've seen videos of mothers contracting hits even on their children, but I hope this is not the case that she wanted to harm Kyron.

LDT= Lie Detector Test

 

[darlin gal]

DHS opened a case on Terri Horman years ago


A source confirmed late Sunday afternoon that the Oregon Department of Human Services opened a case on Terri Horman following a 2005 arrest and charge of driving under the influence. Her biological son, who was 11 at the time, was in the car when his mother was arrested. As such, Horman also was convicted of reckless endangerment of that son.

Horman pleaded guilty in that incident. She had her license suspended for a month and a half, and is still serving out a 12-year probation for those convictions.

We called the Department of Human Services to try to get answers from the agency's case file. Instead, DHS workers referred us to investigators working Kyron Horman's disappearance case.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97777564.html

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Just the simple fact that she entertained the idea of having her husband killed to the extent that she actually propositioned someone makes me feel that she is not above anything, including harming Kyron.

I would also say her oldest son could definitely shed light on this case. I think she sent him back early after the disappearance to avoid him telling anything he may know (like he did to his dad about the LDT).

Just my opinion: I think it takes a totally different kind of person to harm an adult/spouse than to harm a child. We may never know why she wanted Kaine out of the way, but unless she is just a homicidal psychopath (and I don't see that), then she may have had numerous "reasons" to want him out of the way, but would never harm one of her kids (biological or step). I'm not condoning her behavior in any way. I just don't know that this news is indicative that she was capable of harming Kyron.

 

[MsFacetious]

Why not just buy a new hard drive? Toss the old incriminating one & install a new one.

I said that a long time ago... along with the SD card in the camera.

However, I don't think she ever thought they would look at her computer. I think she thought he would have disappeared from the school and she would not even be under suspicion. I also think that she probably didn't realize you can't delete something from your computer. Or she may have realized that buying a new hard drive would likely be traceable and suspicious.

I don't know.

 

[cluciano63]

Let's get back on target here. All of our theories should be based on some factual information. Let's do less theorizing and more discussion about the facts we learned today.

This thread is turning into wild theories. Let's talk about facts and how they may relate to finding Kyron.

Thank You. :grouphug:

Is there anything we learned today that would change your mind, point to finding an alive Kyron, are you more hopeful, what do you think LE can do with this information?

I'm not more hopeful. I still don't think it is likely Terri found someone to do this type of thing for her, for this length of time, without detection. Someone would have to be prepared to ditch their entire life to take this on, not to mention jeopardize their entire future. I think this shows, if anything, that Terri was at the end of her mental rope and perhaps in anger, lashed out at Kyron. Still not sure about premeditation.

 

[MsFacetious]

90K a year is a very good salary, even for a family of 4-5. Many I know are living on 30k-40k with a family of 4-5, a car payment and a house payment.

I agree that normally it wouldn't be worthy of ransom.... however. What if Kaine is really good with money? It seems to me that he would be with his personality and the way he functions in other areas.

He makes 90k a year, but could easily survive on 40k - 50k a year with a house payment, 2 car payments, gym memberships. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the vehicles were paid off. I have not seen designer clothes, or extravagant toys, or anything else major that would cost a lot of money.

What if he has been living on half his salary for the last 10 years? He could easily have 400k - 500k in the bank.

I don't know how long he's been making 90k, or how much he has saved up. But he seems like the type to me that would have some saved up. I have a friend who does this. He makes 70k and lives on 40k with a family of 4. They could have purchased their 200k house outright if he wanted to.

We made double car and house payments and paid them off faster... so when we went from 90k to 40k for 4 years we were still okay.

I would guess that if he is the same way financially as he is with other things, a minimum of 10% of Kaine's income goes to savings. That could easily be at least 100k. His wife would know how much money he saves and spends. She would have some idea how much was in the bank and how much of a ransom would be feasible.

That, would be a motive.

A money/ransom motive just doesn't make sense to me. IMO A $90K/yr income is not that much for a family of 4-5. Neither drive an really expensive vehicle and the house is not what I consider upscale.

Now it could be insurance. It will telling I guess if we ever find out how much KH has and who the beneficiary is. Here in FL both mine and hubby's company require that in polices though them that it must be your spouse if married unless your spouse signs a waiver.