Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[Deleted member 718]

I think we will be hearing a lot more next week. The newspapers have been sitting on this bombshell since the restraining order was sealed a week ago. Remember last Friday's petition to unseal the RO?

"The Oregonian and other media have filed motions to open the documents relating to a restraining order granted to Kaine Horman against his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman.
A Multnomah County judge on Friday decided to continue the hearing until July 12 to give the attorneys for both Hormans time to weigh in."

Somehow the Oregonian was able to get around the sealed documents and release the details despite their petition being denied. Sources close to the investigation leaks...

Terri's attorney knew this would come out. I think he's waiting for the dust to settle from this explosion, before he drops his own bombshell. Marriages are often messy, no one is perfect. Sad to say in the search for sweet Kyron, everyone's dirty laundry will soon be hung out for all to see.

 

[Cheewawa007]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Kaine-Horman-told-of-plots-against-him-97772019.html

I think it's anybody's guess at this point whether it's the true reason or just a sob story to justify something unjustifiable.

Thanks for the link to the article Donjeta. Did you notice the "source" says her computer files were searched???

 

[Kentjbkent]

Well being as reported that Kaine had an affair, you would think divorce would have been the best option.
Child custody is another thing.
I assume TH would not have gotten custody of Kyron, she may have had no problem with custody of their daughter though.
If they had , had a divorce based on Kaine's cheating , who do you suppose would have gotten custody of Kyron ? Kaine or Desiree ?

Just to clarify.......just one media report stated that Terri SUPPOSIVELY told the landscaper that Kaine was having an affair.....(hence her reason for wanting a hit)

So at this point, it is a second hand account of an allegation from a "questionable" party....

 

[CharlestonGal]

Would someone please link me to the information that Kaine had an affair and that's the reason Terri wanted him killed?

Or is that just a rumor at this point?

"According to sources, Terri Horman had described being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her by having an extra-marital relationship."

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

 

[Emma Peel]

THIS!!
When I read she shutdown the conversation I was like, "No *(&#$"!
Would anyone with an IQ above room temperature engage in such a conversation in the midst of being the focus of a missing child investigation?
She had to smell a rat from a mile away.

The only thing I can think is if LE believed that Terri had turned some psychotic corner and truly gone off the deep end - and that she might be lonely enough to need a friend - a sketchy friend she could trust - i.e. she might she'd chat it up some with the landscaper ... indicate some sort of admission about Kyron or her previous request to kill Kaine. I don't understand why they thought she'd do that in the presence of a stranger (UC), however. They should have just wired the landscaper... :waitasec:

I give up. I can't figure it out either.

I'm going to go with this: the news article is sorely lacking in details about the investigation at this time.

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks for the link to the article Donjeta. Did you notice the "source" says her computer files were searched???

It makes sense to me anyway. I was a bit surprised to hear Kaine say that they hadn't taken the family computers because it seems like a standard operating procedure to help ruling the family out, but maybe he secretly okayed the computer search and LE didn't want Terri to know.

 

[revampz]

yeah I was wondering if money was the motivation as well.........someone in one of the comments again on the news sites had a theory that if she had wanted Kaine dead and had planned to do it, she would have to get rid of Kyron as he would inherit the money as well.......interesting....but wow to me bumping of 2 people just goes to far.......but then again it has been done before......

There is a blog I have just read which had all the correct info re the marriages and custodies and time lines......it was very interesting.......her theory was that the oldest son was moved out for a reason to do with Kyron and she had to get rid of Kyron to protect her oldest son........

IF this landscapers story is true, then I do think the reasoning behind this is ugly and is going to be a one off case.........

I just hope she has shipped him off somewhere rather than the other option.............

 

[believe09]

A judge overturned the order to keep the doc sealed, so we should be seeing it shortly right? Pickie Chickie gave us a link, IIRC and the judge indicated it would not jeopardize the investigation to have the RO released.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I don't mean to imply that Terri is innocent or guilty, but it seems that the press is implicating her. I'm leaning towards guilty, but many people way heavy on her for going to the gym after Kyron went missing... What I'm not reading, is the fact that Kaine also went to the gym with her...JMO..

I think this is a TH/KH soap opera, orchestrated by TH, and that DY and TY are innocent bystanders who have been yanked unwittingly and unwillingly into this mess. The press has been very gentle with DY & TY and I think that is because they haven't found anything sensational to report about them that relates to the case even peripherally, they took and passed LDTs, and they have verifiable, strong alibis. DY & TY are what they appear to be. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the focus of everyone is clearly on TH. The press is on her like a pack of pit bulls, and probably for good reasons -- she was there when Kyron disappeared, she failed to pass two LDTs, and they have known about the landscaper story for a long time, but have held back on reporting it until it was useful either to LE or to KH, or both. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

The press has not attacked KH, and I infer that he had not done anything sensational prior to and related to Kyron's disappearance, and they know his LDT and alibi checked out. So KH's going to the gym with TH is not noteworthy, because the press has no reason to think he is guilty. They've looked and talked to LE and other sources, and come up empty. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

I surmise that the other 3 parents passed LDTs because it is SOP to take them in cases like this, and the press knows this from the same source(s) that told them that TH failed to pass hers. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

I figure that we will never know for sure, unless TH tells us and tells the truth, how KH behaved as a husband and stepfather. One key factor, though, is that DY has known KH and TH for many years, and she trusted them to raise Kyron. She appears to have a stable marriage and to have not taken custody of Kyron for a good reason: he was happy where he was and it would be disruptive to take him out of a stable, secure environment. She hasn't said this, but no one has refuted it and I think the press would refute it if there was any evidence of it *and* her alibi and LDT hadn't checked out. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

So, for now, I think that DY, TY, and KH are not suspects. It is too big a stretch for me to think that TH is, knowingly or unknowingly, being set up to be the fall guy by LE, one or more of the other three parents, and the press, because this will somehow help solve the case. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" (Shakespeare, Hamlet) and it is TH and any helper she may have had. MOO I hope those who have located the rot are correct, because there is still a possibility that TH is innocent. I still think that because it is really awful for someone to be falsely accused, and I always allow for that possibility until the evidence is there to be absolutely positive that someone is factually guilty. MOO pertains to the entire paragraph.

With all these moos, I am starting to feel like I'm channeling one of the cows on the dairy farm across the road.

RC

 

[Kentjbkent]

I can't help but wonder if this "murder for hire" story is not taking on a life of its own...

At this point, we do not have ANY idea of the context of this supposed conversation between the landscaper and Terri. Sheriff is saying nothing.

What we DO know is that landscaper did NOT seek out LE....they found HIM after learning that Terri hired a landscaper behind the back of Kaine...so they pulled him in for an interview. Supposively, the landscaper did not report this "murder for hire" because he did not take Terri seriously....

Who is to say that the context of conversation between Terri and landscaper was something along the lines of Terri being upset that her oldest son was having to move out and return to his bio father who had little to do with his raising, her complaints of Kaine in her marriage including possible infidelity on his part, and during this conversation said something along the lines of..

"I would be better off if he was dead"...

"I wish he would just die...then I would be free"....

"I wish I knew someone who could make him disappear"...

Would that constitute "murder for hire"??? Perhaps would be enough to make LE suspicious at this point and want to further investigate with sting conversation, but if Terri made similar comments in the heat of the moment without a real intent to "kill Kaine", I could see where their recorded trap wouldn't have worked.

I am beginning to think the media caught wind of LE talking to this landscaper, put their own spin with choice of words "murder for hire", and decided to start Fourth of July fireworks early....about 4 a.m.

 

[Donjeta]

It is possible that the story has been embellished by the landscaper, the "sources" or the reporters but it appears that Kaine took it seriously enough to have applied for a restraining order and a judge took it seriously enough to grant him one.

What kind of evidence would convince y'all that your spouse was trying to get you killed? Would just some shady whacko claiming so be enough?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Charlestongal I think you are hitting the nail on the head.....but I would also add her son being sent away because he could not get on with Kaine being part of her rage and subsequent retaliation.....in fact I think that is what set it all off........affair, kicking her son out and being stuck playing mum to his child.....

and she has that red hair!!! and please before anyone jumps on me for that remark I am a redhead...so had to mention it....

One thing that really did have me wondering about what type of person she was is the report re her second husband who is not the bio dad of her eldest son but did adopt him from a young age (2 or 3 I think). After they divorced and while she was with Kaine, and a bit further down the track, she took this guy to court to get child support from him and got awarded a backpay.......

I dont know , this does not seem right to me and seems very pushy on her part....I know a lot of you may disagree with me but him adopting her child was a very wonderful thing to do for her and meant he had faith in the marriage and if it ended because of her affairs and she was with another man I dont know........anyhow that is me.......I wouldnt try to get money out of him.....

And this is what convinces me that whatever happened in the Horman household that resulted in Terri's son having to find a new residence was something Terri was powerless to (in fighting to keep son there).

Obviously it wasn't an option for the son to relocate to the home of his adoptive father, the man who had raised him from the age of 2 or 3, but instead, he is residing with his biological father who apparently was not involved in his life and allowed another man to adopt his child.

Lots of issues for this young man to deal with...I hope he is doing well and is being afforded some privacy...

 

[AbbieNormal]

right... I guess when you hear the word "landscaper" I tend to think of the upper class people.... It just didn't sit well with me...Perhaps lawn care is more in order...

You mean like babysitter= nanny and lawn guy= landscaper? LOL.

I find it inconscienceable (spelled wrong, don't care) the landscaper/ lawn guy/ whatever didn't go to LE the very day Terri propositioned him for murder-for-hire. Why didn't he? Wouldn't every single person here on this board report such a conversation to LE? I know I sure would!!!! Not like you get an offer like that every week or so......
IF he is the same lawn person that did the "landscaping" at the school, she was a FOOL to even entertain hiring him for lawn care OR murder. That school looks abandoned, IMO. Did she think he would be any better at murder for hire than he was at landscaping? Does the lawn guy feel badly now that he didn't report her to LE when this happened? Good gravy!

Something is bad wrong with Terri mentally. I don't think she feels any remorse for the husband murder plot OR whatever happened to Kyron. In fact I think she secretly enjoys the torture she is causing Kaine. And Desiree.
Not that its any of our business, but I wonder if the divorce at 8 mos pregnant was because Kaine was cheating on DY with Terri? Then to move her in to care for Kyron, what a slap in the face that must have been, especially when battling life threatening illness. Seems that Kaine had no more of a conscience than Terri in that regard, if true.
At first we heard Terri and Desiree were friends before Kyron was born. Even friends of Terri said Terri was in Kyrons life since he was 3 days old. (Maybe that's the story Terri told her 'friends') Desiree says they were NOT friends. This makes me think Terri had more of a relationship with Kaine than Desiree, perhaps. Talk about the ultimate stab in the back. Take your husband then "take" your child. Terri is lucky Desiree didn't get to the lawn guy before she did.

Silly Terri, you never marry a guy who cheats on his wife with you. What made her think he wouldn't so the same to HER somewhere down the road?

 

[Kentjbkent]

It is possible that the story has been embellished by the landscaper, the "sources" or the reporters but it appears that Kaine took it seriously enough to have applied for a restraining order and a judge took it seriously enough to grant him one.

What kind of evidence would convince y'all that your spouse was trying to get you killed? Would just some shady whacko claiming so be enough?

Well, from Kaine's point of view, he already has one child missing and his wife is heavily suspected as being involved, so yep.....landscaper story would have at least scared me enough to grab my other child and run for the hills...

 

[Donjeta]

The blended family article did say that the older son's biofather had had monthly visits prior to his moving from the Hormans so presumably he was not a complete stranger to his son.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I just don't get it. How do you fool so many people.

I don't think it is understandable. Look at Mary Winkler. No matter what caused her to kill her husband, no one saw that coming.

 

[DairyGirl]

I don't think it is understandable. Look at Mary Winkler. No matter what caused her to kill her husband, no one saw that coming.

Terri could have taken lessons from her. Practically no consequences at all. No justice for the poor guy. And the sad thing is there may not be justice for Kyron, either.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I don't think it is understandable. Look at Mary Winkler. No matter what caused her to kill her husband, no one saw that coming.

And look at Mary Winkler now....free as a bird. :banghead:

 

[tezi]

Bottom line, LE HAD to tell Kaine about this, because if he would have turned up dead and they knew she was attempting to hire someone (be it the yard maintenance man, the baker, the bus driver, ect), LE could be held responsible for not notifying Kaine about this. The FBI told John Gotti that he had a hit out on him, they had to, because if he would have turned up dead, and they knew, they would have been held responsible.

I don't know what to think about this. I honestly don't see how people can turn this around to being Kaine's fault if she was attempting to solicit someone to kill him. Can you imagine being in his shoes? Not only is his son missing, but then he finds out his wife has been trying to find someone to kill him? I think we are going to hear a lot more about what Terry has been up to. And I don't think it's going to be good for anyone.

JMO, MOO, IMO, and all disclaimers.....

 

[Donjeta]

I suppose the people who see it coming are more likely to take steps to prevent it and thus it doesn't happen to them as often.