Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[YellowSubmarine]

People attempt to "murder-for-hire" all the time and for many reasons -- I don't believe it's because she thought he was cheating, though. Imo, reasons to have spouse killed:

1. Will lose a lot in divorce
2. Feels there is no other way out
3. Has developed a deep resentment/hatred for them
4. Insurance money
5. Spouse has uncovered something damaging about you
6. You crave the attention you'd receive for being "widowed"

I think many "hirers" use the cheating spouse excuse because it might garner some sympathy and make them look not so crazy.

Imo, any of the above reasons above could apply to TH. I believe it was Pat Brown who spoke of TH possibly being a narcissist - she craves attention and that is why she did the body building and probably why she inserted herself into the Hormans' lives ("Oh, look what a great person I am to care for this sick woman's baby"). So #6 would fit in here.

I do believe TH did attempt to hire this guy. I truly don't think he'd go to LE with this crazy story and go as far as to get wired and meet with her if it weren't true. I don't really know how these things work, but I think LE was NUTS to send an undercover in with him. TH isn't a stupid woman. I can't imagine ANYONE would admit to this in front of a stranger especially after she's already got a target on her for Kyron's disappearance. Imo, LE handled this very poorly.

 

[oxymoran]

Undercover Extortion Attempt


I think that responding detectives then finally had to tell Terri that there really was not a threat, that she'd just been set up by them, and that she was set up because she was a suspect.
![/I]

Hi Emma, Steed here...I'm sure you're right as usual...

Seems to me LE will certainly have a credibility problem if they continue to publicly state TH is neither a POI or a Suspect.

Wouldn't be surprised if they declared her suspect-hood within the next 48 hours.

 

[Mysterylover]

Blondie, I've tried to keep up with this mysterious case from the very beginning. I have been all over the net reading anything and everything about this darling child, from [forums]. to newspapers, etc., so not sure where I read it...just remember reading it.
Sorry, I don't have time to look for it, must be at the doctors in 45 min...

 

[tehcloser]

I've been trying to keep up on these threads but feel like I've been left out in the cold!

That's news to me about TH calling 911 re a landscaper attacking her months ago...can you tell me more because I'm floored on that one.

Also, I have never read about anyone seeing a red car and white truck speeding/driving recklessly that day. That's a surprise as well - maybe I do need to pay attention to all of those comments after all!

Anyway, thanks for the info - I need to go read some more!

You are not left out....it's just getting rumorish up in here. :angel:

 

[tlcya]

Blondie, Good point about the comment made off the cuff.
I do suspect the 2 would have had to know each other very, very well before any such remark would have been said.

The following is some of the many questions running through my mind:
Did you read anything about, T. calling 911 with a complaint about a LandScaper attaching her several months back?

Just wondering if that rumor is true, and if it's the same guy?

Is this the same Landscaper she met that worked at K's school? What's this guys background?
Did this LS drive a white truck?
What makes this LS so believable now, since this was said 6-7 months ago? Who contacted Who and When?

If I remember correctly, I read, people on the Island saw a red car and a white truck speeding/driving reckless that same day...makes one wonder, who was in those vehicles.

Thank you, all very good questions I would really like to know the answers to as well

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I think LE just didn't have enough at the time the landscaper originally reported the plot. No money was exchanged, and it would have been a he said/she said. Maybe she did say it rather jokingly, and LE felt like that wasn't enough to substantiate a real threat, so nothing was done.

But now you have a missing child, so I don't blame the landscaper for coming forward now. After following cases like the Casey Anthony case, if you don't clear yourself early, you become fodder for the wheels of the bus the defense is going to use to roll over anyone that they can shift blame to. In Casey's case, not was the meter reader thrown under the bus for finding Caylee's body, but anyone that at some point was involved with Casey and/or Caylee was looked as suspicious by the defense and CA's family (For one example, Casey's parents accused the father of the guy that wanted to be Caylee's father (and was for a year) even though he wasn't of being in a satanic cult for crying out loud).

Anytime you have a case dealing with a missing or dead child, you have to be careful who you know and what you say. I'm glad he's talking now instead of later when the defense could try to use him to deflect attention off of TH. If LE clears him now, he's a lot safer. And maybe he didn't come forward because he was afraid he would be suspected in Kyron's disappearance. After cases like the Anthony case, I don't blame someone for not wanting to get involved when they know they didn't do anything wrong. Blame, especially when the media gets ahold of it, can be very hard to overcome for years down the road even if you are innocent.

Of course, he could just be really shady and not have wanted LE finding out about other illegal things not connected to this case that he was involved in, who knows. At least he's come forward and can be cleared as a suspect of any kind here.

BBM --

ITA. I'm sure LE checked it out and didn't find any merit, for whatever reason. Unless they thought there was a good possibility to this, they can't really say anything. I mean, if they had warned Kaine and he proceeded to divorce TH and keep the baby from her forever - and then it turned out not to be true - LE just stripped a family apart over some nutjob.

And just think if he hadn't come forward now. After WSr's got wind of his name and the fact TH may have attempted to hire him to off Kaine, every inch of his life would be sleuthed and sleuthed and sleuthed again!

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

 

[RubyRed]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

Title should have "Source" before it, sorry...

Click on edit
then
go advanced
you will be able to change it.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

Thinking about this landscaper thing... I knew I had read something in an article that stuck in my head, confusing...what did it mean? I can see that [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5368462&postcount=597"]MRSU brought what I was thinking about up in one of their messages.[/ame]


Here is the quote from the article found HERE, BBM:
>>The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.

The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.

"She led him on," sources said.<<

Attacking the "how could she hire him without Kaine knowing" question...

I've had to hire a number of contractors (lawn maintenance, tree trimming, irrigation system people, contractors...) in the last 6 months. My husband is travelling in between our two homes until we sell the other home. I often have to hire contractors without him knowing (and until I can update him on my hiring activity), and in at least one case I hired one as a "surprise" to my husband (to renovate something he enjoys, redwood deck). Since I have been the family money manager for over 40 years, my husband trusts me and it is not always so easy to time "the need," "the hiring" and "the communication that I have hired," he understands. I have also had to "front" some "supplies" money to some of the contractors (not too smart unless you really trust the contractor -- "fronting money" is not wisdom, ya'll beware).

Note to self: Who did the money management in the Horman household?

Now then... We are only on 1/4 acre. As I understand it, the Horman's property is about 4 acres, though the house surrounding lawn/landscaping may present on only 1 of those acres. No, I have not confirmed that with property paperwork... But perhaps an assumption would be okay here... Or maybe someone will confirm this?

IF Terri wanted to "surprise" Kaine, she might have hired a landscaper to do yard design and planting layout without his knowledge -- this is NOT an inexpensive proposition on 1/4 acre, certainly not on 1 acre. Perhaps she contracted for this "design" work, while paying for present maintenance. SURPRISE! But maybe a 10K surprise (not an unreasonable price for such a task) was an "ulterior motive" surprise (murder-for-hire). So, maybe this was a cover up surprise, something that someone else might do to surprise their husband (like "he surprised me with a Red Mustang, I wanted to surprise him because he wanted our place landscape designed."???)

BUT AND BUT AND BUT... What is this comment, "While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri." Just what did he expect to get? "Favors?" (ish!) "Hush money, after her asking about murder-for-hire?" "Payment for design?" (perhaps disguised to keep his mouth shut? -- thanks for the design, here is your check, I don't like the design.)

"He did believe that he would be getting something from Terri."

Not sure who the source of the above information was, but it WAS written into the article.

AND...just what does this mean?
>>"She led him on," sources said.<<

Hmmm...she led him on??? Now just what does that mean? IF there is any truth to him going to collect 10K with an undercover agent...

>>"On a recording of their meeting, the landscaper asks for $10,000, threatening to go to police if he doesn't get it. Terri Horman shut the landscaper down quickly, but "Early Show" co-anchor Erica Hill pointed out the fact that police sent him back to talk about the plot at all is, in fact, a significant development in this case."<<

Well now... He asks for 10K (not a small chunk). He's going to police if he doesn't get it. If you contract for a price of 10K, and you are not paid, you take it to an attorney. IF you are looking for 10K for some other reason...you might say that you were going to the police.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

That was my point way back (these threads are getting crazy with all these landscapers). I almost wish they'd put some names to these earlier guys (they did with the one she wouldn't hire) or at least give the numbers so we could truly establish how many there were and how far back this goes. I'll say it again, she was pretty lucky (and Kyron not so lucky) if this first guy made a report way back and nothing was done. Why such a history wouldn't be enough to bring her in now could only mean one of three things:

1. Not quite accurate
2. She's really got friends in high places
3. It's still only circumstantial evidence

This just gets more insane as the days go by. I'm almost wishing we were back in the early days with no info and "no comment."

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This just gets more insane as the days go by. I'm almost wishing we were back in the early days with no info and "no comment."

I agree.

 

[cluciano63]

Where does it say landscaper originally reported the plot? I missed that.

 

[Emma Peel]

forgive me for asking - because I certainly could have missed the report -

but what is all this then about a landscaper (and yet, a different landscaper than the current one?) reporting murder-for-hire to LE a long long time ago and LE having nothing to go on?

I thought we were dealing with one landscaper that Terri allegedly propositioned, told LE about, LE interviewed, and the Landscaper disclosed the murder-for-hire scheme and then did a little UC op.

There's more than one Landscaper-murderer-for-hire? :waitasec:

 

[tlcya]

either really poor reporting (sentence structure) with huge inaccuracies or there was indeed more than one landscaper. I am still trying to figure out which is the case.

 

[desquire]

I'm finding the whole murder contract claim hard to swallow. I agree with those who think the landscaper is either just a guy seeking his 15 minutes or a guy who was on the receiving end of a bad joke or intemperate comment that he dismissed 6 months ago, reconsidered it in light of the current situation, and called the tip line just in case. Either way, the odds of there being any real murder plot are probably slim to none - particularly given TH's reaction to the attempted sting. And although stings on the contracting spouse seem to be standard police practice in such cases, the timing of this sting reeks of a hail mary pass, speaking volumes about how little the police have on TH.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

If it was in 2009 some said she had a hit on kaine and reported it then someone was right LE would have had to tell Kaine.Do you really think Kaine would have stayed with Terri if he knew she hired someone to kill him back then.

 

[Emma Peel]

Hello All,

Thinking about this landscaper thing... I knew I had read something in an article that stuck in my head, confusing...what did it mean? I can see that MRSU brought what I was thinking about up in one of their messages.


Here is the quote from the article found HERE, BBM:
>>The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.

The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.

"She led him on," sources said.<<

Attacking the "how could she hire him without Kaine knowing" question...

I've had to hire a number of contractors (lawn maintenance, tree trimming, irrigation system people, contractors...) in the last 6 months. My husband is travelling in between our two homes until we sell the other home. I often have to hire contractors without him knowing (and until I can update him on my hiring activity), and in at least one case I hired one as a "surprise" to my husband (to renovate something he enjoys, redwood deck). Since I have been the family money manager for over 40 years, my husband trusts me and it is not always so easy to time "the need," "the hiring" and "the communication that I have hired," he understands. I have also had to "front" some "supplies" money to some of the contractors (not too smart unless you really trust the contractor -- "fronting money" is not wisdom, ya'll beware).

Note to self: Who did the money management in the Horman household?

Now then... We are only on 1/4 acre. As I understand it, the Horman's property is about 4 acres, though the house surrounding lawn/landscaping may present on only 1 of those acres. No, I have not confirmed that with property paperwork... But perhaps an assumption would be okay here... Or maybe someone will confirm this?

IF Terri wanted to "surprise" Kaine, she might have hired a landscaper to do yard design and planting layout without his knowledge -- this is NOT an inexpensive proposition on 1/4 acre, certainly not on 1 acre. Perhaps she contracted for this "design" work, while paying for present maintenance. SURPRISE! But maybe a 10K surprise (not an unreasonable price for such a task) was an "ulterior motive" surprise (murder-for-hire). So, maybe this was a cover up surprise, something that someone else might do to surprise their husband (like "he surprised me with a Red Mustang, I wanted to surprise him because he wanted our place landscape designed."???)

BUT AND BUT AND BUT... What is this comment, "While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri." Just what did he expect to get? "Favors?" (ish!) "Hush money, after her asking about murder-for-hire?" "Payment for design?" (perhaps disguised to keep his mouth shut? -- thanks for the design, here is your check, I don't like the design.)

"He did believe that he would be getting something from Terri."

Not sure who the source of the above information was, but it WAS written into the article.

AND...just what does this mean?
>>"She led him on," sources said.<<

Hmmm...she led him on??? Now just what does that mean? IF there is any truth to him going to collect 10K with an undercover agent...

>>"On a recording of their meeting, the landscaper asks for $10,000, threatening to go to police if he doesn't get it. Terri Horman shut the landscaper down quickly, but "Early Show" co-anchor Erica Hill pointed out the fact that police sent him back to talk about the plot at all is, in fact, a significant development in this case."<<

Well now... He asks for 10K (not a small chunk). He's going to police if he doesn't get it. If you contract for a price of 10K, and you are not paid, you take it to an attorney. IF you are looking for 10K for some other reason...you might say that you were going to the police.

Well, I do believe you may be on to some interesting thinking there, Wrinkles, that links the two events and makes more sense.

Landscaper may have said "I'm not your guy, but I'll see who I can find - but if you want me to go to the trouble of looking for an assassin, I'll have to extra-bill for some landscaping around here."

Nothing happens on the assassination of Kaine front, but he bills her anyway. She won't pay the "bill". She fires him, he's mad, what to do, when LE approaches him he figures she's blaming him for something and tells LE his side of the story?

Hmmmm. An angle to think about... and...connects some dots...

Thereby leading UC to believe Terri might bite on the extortion attempt - knowing the landscaper was coming to collect an old debt on this subject. :waitasec:

 

[matou]

Does LE feel she was in contact with an accomplice on the days leading up to Kyron's disappearance? The reason I ask is from this article:

Investigators have also examined Terri's cell phone and email records, determining whom she had had contact with in the days leading up to her step-son's disappearance.

This tidbit must be important somehow since it is mentioned in the article. JMO

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

 

[grandmaj]

Way too many rumors being brought to this forum. Threadiquette. No rumors. Let's get back to facts. Thanks.

This post falls at random

 

[natsound]

From what I can determine...there are THREE landscapers that have been brought up.

LANDSCAPER #1: Is the guy who they found and the one who is working with police. They supposedly met thru some work that was done at Skyline School 6-7 months ago. When the info about this guy came about, LE said they believed that others had been approached as well and they were looking into it.

LANDSCAPER #2: This landscaper was connected through a third party. Apparently they use ServiceMaster and when TH needed some yardwork done, Service Master sends the information out to landscapers who contact the person with their bid. This person attempted to contact Terri via phone and email.

From the article:

A day after word breaks that the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband Kaine, another landscaper tells KXL that he followed up on a third-party lead. Identifying himself as Zach of All-American Cleaning and Landscape, he says he called and emailed Terri Horman several times with no response in late April and early May when she was looking for "yard clean-up on a medium-sized yard". He feels that he just didn't fit what she was looking for. Zach called into the Lars Larson show.

ETA: In the interview, Zach does say he was contacted by police about 2 weeks ago to follow up on anyone she had contact with. And it should be noted that he didn't talk about his business name until the guy asked him for it.

Listen to the interview: http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE-AUDIO--...om-Ter/7620648

LANDSCAPER #3:

From the atricle:

Police have confirmed a report that Terri Horman tried to pay another as yet unnamed landscaper to kill her husband, Kaine Horman, in 2009. That landscaper reportedly contacted police after the alleged murder for hire offer.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97845894.html

I think KATU's facts about hitman landscaper are different than the Oregonians, but they're talking about the same landscaper. In other words, there are only two landscapers. What do you think?

 

[Emma Peel]

I think KATU's facts about hitman landscaper are different than the Oregonians, but they're talking about the same landscaper. In other words, there are only two landscapers. What do you think?

You don't want to know what I think.

Because it's a rant about low standards and what passes for journalism these days and ... :shutup: