Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[pittsburghgirl]

We are not sleuthing the Landscaper on WS. Admin can weigh in on this later. One thing for certain if it is true that this is an alias name, then we won't be searching and bringing information here about people with that name who may be totally innocent people with a like name.

Yes, you may discuss this as far as what came out in the Hearing today and what is printed in MSM. No further.

And under no circumstances may you bring rumor from any unlinkable site. Be prepared with your links.

So glad that WS holds these standards. And what a great example of why that's important.

 

[debirlfan]

The job title "landscaper" can cover a whole variety of jobs, some well paid and some not so well paid.

At the low end of the scale, there are many landscapers who work for cash only. They don't have an official business, a tax number or insurance. Sometimes they don't even have their own tools.

Ah - that's the point I was about to make. "Landscaper" could mean anything from a college educated professional with a bunch of trucks and a dozen guys working under him to the illegal alien hanging around at Home Depot asking folks if they need any help with their lawns -- or anything in between.

And as for TH calling 911.... keep in mind that the calls regarding the sting and KH taking the baby were both made AFTER the disappearance of her step-child, and after fingers have started being pointed at HER. I think that under those circumstances, it would be natural to be extra cautious/freaked out and call the police immediately if anything odd was going on.

 

[Herding Cats]

We can't sleuth Peter Pan...he's a minor!!

Best-
Herding Cats
(alias The Crazy Cat Lady
AKA Cathouse on the Corner
AKA The Cat Hotel)

 

[Scamperoo]

?If you have to get on the stand and plead the Fifth and you can?t tell what happened or didn?t happen ? if you put the truth out there and it?s not incriminating, then why wouldn?t she say what happened?? Kaine said.

That says it all. Nothing else to be said, discussed, or asked. ... Period.


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There is always something to be said, discussed and asked unless ones mind is already made up.

 

[Kat010]

:jester:

We can't sleuth Peter Pan...he's a minor!!

Best-
Herding Cats
(alias The Crazy Cat Lady
AKA Cathouse on the Corner
AKA The Cat Hotel)

Me, I wanna sleuth Tinkerbell. Who's not a minor.

 

[SmoothOperator]

We're talking about a landscaper not a movie star, celebrity, etc.

IMO Does not matter. Movie star .... To .... Musician . ... To ..... Landscaper.... To .... Hell, even your local gentlemen's club stripper.... One in the same and all the same in that they are each their "occupation" and feel that using an AKA, alias, stage name, etc is all to further their career!!! A "sweeping statement" such As using any of those previously noted is indicative of illegal, nefarious, or negative in any way whatsoever is just COMPLETELY INACCURATE.

 

[SmoothOperator]

There is always something to be said, discussed and asked unless ones mind is already made up.

There is plenty to be discussed, stated, and debated in this extremely sad and frustrating case but the fact of Terri taking the fifth in a case that could immediately remedy the separAtion of her baby from her mom because what would be "on record" would incriminate her in the "disappearance"of that precious little baby girl's brother. That DOES SAY IT ALL WHERE "THAT" IS. ONCERNED!

 

[gwenabob]

We're talking about a landscaper not a movie star, celebrity, etc.

Well, I am not a celebrity, but I do have an aka. And I assure you I am not participating in any shady or nefarious illegal dealings! There is a perfectly innocent (and common) explanation for it.

 

[Jade2010]

Well, I am not a celebrity, but I do have an aka. And I assure you I am not participating in any shady or nefarious illegal dealings! There is a perfectly innocent (and common) explanation for it.

 

[gwenabob]

GAB, I doubt Houze would even made a point of an alias if it was as simple as a nickname.

Well, it looks like you gave me an aka all by yourself. gwenabob aka GAB. I think I prefer the former.

 

[sorrell skye]

"Hello, Joey's Pizza?"

"Sorry, wrong number."

 

[GrainneDhu]

?If you have to get on the stand and plead the Fifth and you can?t tell what happened or didn?t happen ? if you put the truth out there and it?s not incriminating, then why wouldn?t she say what happened?? Kaine said.

That says it all. Nothing else to be said, discussed, or asked. ... Period.


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Except that is way too simplistic.

Someone can be factually innocent of a crime and yet be suspected or convicted. Someone can be factually innocent and yet seem hinky as all get out. Look at the neighbor in the Somer Thompson case: single male, liked kids, had a puppy to help attract kids to him, lived very close to Somer. He gave a terrible impression... even though he was factually innocent.

According to the Innocence Project, in a DoJ study, in more than 25% of cases, suspects were eliminated when DNA results came back. Obviously what those suspects had to say to LE didn't mean diddly-squat. What would have happened to those suspects had DNA testing not been available? History tells us that at least some of them would have been falsely convicted.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Facts_on_PostConviction_DNA_Exonerations.php

Many cases do not involve DNA at all. And in many states, the DNA testing backlog is over a year long.

According to the Innocence Project, various studies estimate that somewhere between 2.5% to 5% of all current prisoners are factually innocent. That translates into somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 innocent people are sitting in prison today. Being innocent really didn't help them.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/How_many_innocent_people_are_there_in_prison.php

I honestly and truly believe that the only person who needs a good criminal defence lawyer more than a factually guilty suspect is suspect who is factually innocent. I have little to no faith in the whole "all you have to do is tell the truth and you'll be okay" meme.

 

[stmarysmead]

Except that is way too simplistic.

Someone can be factually innocent of a crime and yet be suspected or convicted. Someone can be factually innocent and yet seem hinky as all get out. Look at the neighbor in the Somer Thompson case: single male, liked kids, had a puppy to help attract kids to him, lived very close to Somer. He gave a terrible impression... even though he was factually innocent.

According to the Innocence Project, in a DoJ study, in more than 25% of cases, suspects were eliminated when DNA results came back. Obviously what those suspects had to say to LE didn't mean diddly-squat. What would have happened to those suspects had DNA testing not been available? History tells us that at least some of them would have been falsely convicted.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Facts_on_PostConviction_DNA_Exonerations.php

Many cases do not involve DNA at all. And in many states, the DNA testing backlog is over a year long.

According to the Innocence Project, various studies estimate that somewhere between 2.5% to 5% of all current prisoners are factually innocent. That translates into somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 innocent people are sitting in prison today. Being innocent really didn't help them.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/How_many_innocent_people_are_there_in_prison.php

I honestly and truly believe that the only person who needs a good criminal defence lawyer more than a factually guilty suspect is suspect who is factually innocent. I have little to no faith in the whole "all you have to do is tell the truth and you'll be okay" meme.

I understand your answer and agree with it to a degree. But whether we like it or not, in these high profile cases, public perception can be equally deadly. While Terri may be protecting her rights ....her absolute silence and the legal demeanor of yesterday IMO do her no PR favors. We might wish that a perfect jury pool might someday be selected that is not already half-convinced of her guilt, but unfortunately, with today's media circus, is that really likely?

So, while this silence may protect her rights, is it helping her if she ever gets to court and faces a jury? This is where I have doubts.

I have always thought she should make a public statement, not laying out her timeline, not speaking any specifics...just as the innocent Duke Lacrosse kids did....letting the public get to know her, making herself REAL.

Let's face it, the public knows she was with this child since birth...why not hold a press conference where she balances out the pain we see from Desiree and Kaine ...with evidence of her own pain? Why not speak of her love for Kyron and plea for help in bringing him home? This is a woman who went before the public in a string bikini, affecting poses. This is a woman who (as Chris Coleman described the activity) was taking pictures of her "private parts" and sending them in texts. She cannot be THAT shy or retiring!

And why not show that she will answer what she can...i.e. where the money is coming from for her attorney? Why create another mystery , more speculation. Why doesn't she cooperate in the SIMPLE THINGS?

Yesterday, everything her attorney said (or didn't say) added to the impression that Terri cannot speak because she has so much to hide. That may be an unfair impression, a wrong impression, or even an impression that only certain people believe. But that impression is BELIEVED in many places. Her great Attorney may be winning battles and losing the War because he's losing much of the public narrative.

Terri's avoidance of answers or statements about the simple things leave the impression that her involvement in this criminal matter is complex. She cannot say she loved Kyron because...well, maybe something may be in the hands of LE...that show Teri doing things no loving StepMom would do. She cannot say where the money came from...because it opens the door to other "activities."

If Terri can't make simple statements....it leaves a public impression that there are complex reasons.

And, in regard to the Landscaper with the alias, this takes the whole tragedy beyond hinky to me...almost like some poor piece of fiction writing on the Book Store mark-down rack.

 

[PaulaF513]

I respect your opinion, but this entire case is pure speculation. I am entitled to speculate as to what I want based on the little info that we have. And I think she grabbed that phone awfully fast to call 911 several times the night the MFH sting went down and baby K and Kaine left. She seems to use it to cover herself, not actually because there's an emergency. A man with no weapons who just wants to talk does not constitute an emergency. Don't open the door or talk to him. Tell him to go away. There's no indication that he was at all physically threatening or aggressive towards her. He didn't try to beat her door down or anything, yet she called 911. That seems excessive to me.

BBM

Except maybe it's the same person that she called about in Dec??? It actually seems normal to me that she would call 911 if a disgruntled landscaper came calling with another person, demanding money, after her stepson went missing.

 

[debs]

BBM

Except maybe it's the same person that she called about in Dec??? It actually seems normal to me that she would call 911 if a disgruntled landscaper came calling with another person, demanding money, after her stepson went missing.

I believe the December 26th reference was a mistake and it was meant to be June 26th.

 

[Loislane12000]

I respect your opinion, but this entire case is pure speculation. I am entitled to speculate as to what I want based on the little info that we have. And I think she grabbed that phone awfully fast to call 911 several times the night the MFH sting went down and baby K and Kaine left. She seems to use it to cover herself, not actually because there's an emergency. A man with no weapons who just wants to talk does not constitute an emergency. Don't open the door or talk to him. Tell him to go away. There's no indication that he was at all physically threatening or aggressive towards her. He didn't try to beat her door down or anything, yet she called 911. That seems excessive to me.

BBM

Do we know exactly how the sting went down? I don't think I've ever read exactly what happened.

 

[Donjeta]

Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th. But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html

This sounds like he hasn't been able to serve RS but another article says depositions have been set.

Bunch said subpoenas have been served to Robert O’Donnell, the lead investigator in the case, and Rudy Sanchez, the landscaper whom Terri allegedly tried to hire to kill her husband. “We’ve got depositions set” for both men, he said.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story_2nd.php?story_id=128648892311734600

 

[stmarysmead]

I'm confused about the alias.

Why does the Landscaper have an alias? Do the police think he needs one? Why? Other people in the case have not been afforded the anonymity of an alias. Who are they protecting him from? Surely not Terri.

This is another one of those strange aspects of this case that makes me think we truly "will be surprised" when we find out what this case is all about.

 

[scotslass]

I'm confused about the alias.

Why does the Landscaper have an alias? Do the police think he needs one? Why? Other people in the case have not been afforded the anonymity of an alias. Who are they protecting him from? Surely not Terri.

This is another one of those strange aspects of this case that makes me think we truly "will be surprised" when we find out what this case is all about.

Perhaps he would only go on record if his reputation wasn't ruined he does have to work in the city to make a living after all. Perhaps he didn't come forward in the beginning as he didn't take the MFH with the seriousness he really should have.. and lets face it KH was alive and well after this alleged incident. So fast forward 6-7 mnths and this same person is in the middle of a missing persons case with speculation that she is heavily involved, he feels perhaps he should talk and should have sooner.(or in fact LE tracked him down and then needed him to talk so anonymity was part of that deal) Just trying to have some sort of scenario where this MFH thing makes a little sense. It is so out there and the botched sting really made LE look foolish IMO.

As far as us being surprised well as long as the landscaper is not MC i don't think anything would surprise me at this point

 

[32beatspersecond]

Perhaps he would only go on record if his reputation wasn't ruined he does have to work in the city to make a living after all. Perhaps he didn't come forward in the beginning as he didn't take the MFH with the seriousness he really should have.. and lets face it KH was alive and well after this alleged incident. So fast forward 6-7 mnths and this same person is in the middle of a missing persons case with speculation that she is heavily involved, he feels perhaps he should talk and should have sooner.(or in fact LE tracked him down and then needed him to talk so anonymity was part of that deal) Just trying to have some sort of scenario where this MFH thing makes a little sense. It is so out there and the botched sting really made LE look foolish IMO.

As far as us being surprised well as long as the landscaper is not MC i don't think anything would surprise me at this point

Oh - you didn't get the memo? MC is a landscaper too...kidding