Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Woodland]

<modsnip> yes cellphone records exist but there were many other numbers she called and obviously SL knew that... She also contacted others after speaking with DM which SL forgot to mention..... hardly proof imo.... more like misleading information JMO

How would SL or a member of LB's family know if LB had contact with anyone (electronic/in person) following the phone bill they had? They had not seen or heard from her for some time by then.

The facts have been twisted in this post, imo.

 

[Snoofo]

If you read earlier in this thread, you'll see lots of us questioning why her disappearance was not given more coverage, including why her friends and family were not making more noise about it. There was a Facebook group, but a lot of people were more interested in privacy concerns (their own and Laura's) than in making the kind of racket necessarily to get the public listening when a free, unattached legal adult goes missing.

I understand but if the concern escalated due to the DM connection after TB was found... ?Then again I suppose university classes are more or less done by May so there wouldnt be a chance. I suppose I was surprised my niece wouldnt have heard of it if it should have reached her circles. Maybe she doesnt know the mutual friend very well.

 

[Blomquist]

How would SL or a member of LB's family know if LB had contact with anyone (electronic/in person) following the phone bill they had? They had not seen or heard from her for some time by then.

The facts have been twisted in this post, imo.

If you read the whole LB thread you will find that LB did in fact contact others..... no facts have been twisted !!!!!!! The links are still available HTH

 

[skatergirl]

I am sure they would prefer the thousands of barn images be replaced with images of Laura for everyone to see. I hope the call they get from LE is that the lead was false and there was no sign or trace of Laura.

JMO, but if someone close to me, one of my children especially were missing, I would rather have the closure of being told they had been found/confirmed deceased, than the continued unknowing.

 

[Snoofo]

Like I said more proof from SL than DP.

He better saddle ole pumpernickel and get going or he's going to meet his Waterloo.

1. I know you've explained your disdain for DP and have referred to him as inept more than once, but the question remains: does he win cases or doesnt he? I believe he does. I also see that he has gone to the Surpreme Court and that is a very big deal for any litigator. One of our posters in the last couple weeks gave us DP's history and I believe it stated he worked at Fogler Rubinoff. I can assure you Foglers doesnt hire dummies and if he was hired back after articling there he must have been very impressive. Excuse me for saying, it may sound bad but it is true, a firm like Foglers doesnt typically hire a working class guys from Scarborough (not an affluent part of town) like DP, unless they have proven themselves to be exceptional. The only inept people a firm like that will hire are the silver-spooned dummies with great connections to potential big clients.

and 2. How freaky weird this Napoleon's Waterloo might actually be in Waterloo Region????
If DM wrote that letter then he is correct it is stranger than fiction! :scared:

 

[Blomquist]

JMO, but if someone close to me, one of my children especially were missing, I would rather have the closure of being told they had been found/confirmed deceased, than the continued unknowing.

I personally know of a mother who had a son go missing..... she died never knowing what happened to him..... In her mind he was still alive......as is the case when someone dies I guess except you know the resting place and that they wont be back......

Hard to know what is best I guess.... knowing they are gone and grieving accordingly....or never knowing....always waiting and living in hope... Either way the pain is excruciating for those left imo

I agree though.... the thought that a child is being abused or tortured somewhere but not knowing where or if thats the case is an unbearable thought and must be absolutely dreadful for all concerned....

 

[Woodland]

If you read the whole LB thread you will find that LB did in fact contact others..... no facts have been twisted !!!!!!! The links are still available HTH

Maybe you could provide a link to what SL knew and 'forgot' to mention? Forgot to mention to whom? Without a link, it comes across as accusatory towards him.

TPS seems to be the only MSM source that claims LB had contact with another following the phone calls with DM. No description of the form of contact was given.

 

[Snoofo]

JMO, but if someone close to me, one of my children especially were missing, I would rather have the closure of being told they had been found/confirmed deceased, than the continued unknowing.

It sounds to me like LB's family would be happier to know she has not been found deceased and can carry on the hope she is alive and living a life of her choosing, yhan to assume she is not alive. As a parent, I would rather believe my child is alive if there is no evidence to the contrary. Of course I am not suggesting they be lied to! Certainly if LE has reason to believe she has been killed now, they should share that reasoning with the parents IMO.

Let's never underestimate her mother's instincts! LB's mother has been pretty straightforward about her feelings on what LB might be up to. Mothers know and they feel.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I was just watching the news and there was footage of LE pitching hay out of that barn, and carrying tarps of it away. Whatever tip they got must have been highly credible for them to dig through all the rotten hay in that barn.

 

[matou]

Ryan hadn&#8217;t seen his niece for a couple years, but he spoke to her on the phone just weeks before she disappeared.

And during that conversation, his niece talked about a new boyfriend, a man Ryan now believes was Millard.

&#8220;My wife and I both think it was Dellen she was talking about because she referred to him being a pilot and a photographer,&#8221; Ryan said. &#8220;She also mentioned he was wealthy.&#8221;

He was concerned about the unsavoury crowd Babcock was keeping company with at the time.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/10/search-continues-on-farm-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer

 

[Snoofo]

Maybe there was hurt over her believing he was her bf and he believing he was not since he had a gf? One could say that could lead to anything though ... Threats and retaliation or hurt/anger/o.d. Or running far far away. In any event, how many rich pilot photographers could she know?

Maybe she confronted DM's gf with info about cheating?

 

[expat cdn]

1. I know you've explained your disdain for DP and have referred to him as inept more than once, but the question remains: does he win cases or doesnt he? I believe he does. I also see that he has gone to the Surpreme Court and that is a very big deal for any litigator. One of our posters in the last couple weeks gave us DP's history and I believe it stated he worked at Fogler Rubinoff. I can assure you Foglers doesnt hire dummies and if he was hired back after articling there he must have been very impressive. Excuse me for saying, it may sound bad but it is true, a firm like Foglers doesnt typically hire a working class guys from Scarborough (not an affluent part of town) like DP, unless they have proven themselves to be exceptional. The only inept people a firm like that will hire are the silver-spooned dummies with great connections to potential big clients.

and 2. How freaky weird this Napoleon's Waterloo might actually be in Waterloo Region????
If DM wrote that letter then he is correct it is stranger than fiction! :scared:

Criminal lawyers are a different breed. If they are lucky enough to get that one big case, it can make their career. I think that is what has happened here. I cringe sometimes when I hear some of the junk that comes out of his mouth about this case and DM. Mainly, because I think he is hurting his client. As DM's defence lawyer he should keep his mouth, he's doing him no favours. imo

This case could be DP's Waterloo and he'll then have something in common with Napoleon. lol

 

[Snoofo]

Criminal lawyers are a different breed. If they are lucky enough to get that one big case, it can make their career. I think that is what has happened here. I cringe sometimes when I hear some of the junk that comes out of his mouth about this case and DM. Mainly, because I think he is hurting his client. As DM's defence lawyer he should keep his mouth, he's doing him no favours. imo

This case could be DP's Waterloo and he'll then have something in common with Napoleon. lol

I understand expat, but when the trial starts will it really matter what DP said prior to? He isn't standing trial on the steps outside the courthouse. Once the trial starts everything DP said will be long forgotten IMO (or replaced by more polarizing comments each day!). I am not agreeing with his strategy but I don't see his comments as mattering much in the big scheme of things.

 

[expat cdn]

I understand expat, but when the trial starts will it really matter what DP said prior to? He isn't standing trial on the steps outside the courthouse. Once the trial starts everything DP said will be long forgotten IMO (or replaced by more polarizing comments each day!). I am not agreeing with his strategy but I don't see his comments as mattering much in the big scheme of things.

Agree, in the big scheme of things what DP says now doesn't really matter in a court room, (only to us at WS). Personally, I just don't like his style in defending his client. But...I'm not the one sitting in a jail cell, DM is.

 

[Woodland]

Maybe there was hurt over her believing he was her bf and he believing he was not since he had a gf? One could say that could lead to anything though ... Threats and retaliation or hurt/anger/o.d. Or running far far away. In any event, how many rich pilot photographers could she know?

Maybe she confronted DM's gf with info about cheating?

BBME

Maybe DM's gf confronted LB about cheating? Makes a little more sense to me - existing/protecting territory over newcomer/invader. It happens.

 

[Sillybilly]

1. I know you've explained your disdain for DP and have referred to him as inept more than once, but the question remains: does he win cases or doesnt he? I believe he does. I also see that he has gone to the Surpreme Court and that is a very big deal for any litigator. One of our posters in the last couple weeks gave us DP's history and I believe it stated he worked at Fogler Rubinoff. I can assure you Foglers doesnt hire dummies and if he was hired back after articling there he must have been very impressive. Excuse me for saying, it may sound bad but it is true, a firm like Foglers doesnt typically hire a working class guys from Scarborough (not an affluent part of town) like DP, unless they have proven themselves to be exceptional. The only inept people a firm like that will hire are the silver-spooned dummies with great connections to potential big clients.

and 2. How freaky weird this Napoleon's Waterloo might actually be in Waterloo Region????
If DM wrote that letter then he is correct it is stranger than fiction! :scared:

Absolutely no disrespect intended here Snoofo to yourself or DP, but his SCC case (R v Clayton, DP representing Farmer) was not a big feather in his cap .. any case can go on up to the SCC if it has merit … the kudos come when you win the case. In the Farmer case, the SCC ruled that LE did not violate the constitutional rights of the gun-toters Clayton and Farmer. The SCC restored the original convictions, so give DP an E for effort, but this was not a big win for DP or his client (other than DP got paid and his client presumably went to the Big House).

Other than his self-promotion online, I can’t locate any corporate/commercial cases online that his name is associated with during his 2 year employment with Fogler Rubinoff. I don’t see that he was “rehired” at Fogler .. (his linkedin profile indicates his prior articling stint was with Goodman and Carr). As Fogler is not involved in criminal law, his post 1996 foray into that area of law appears to be as sole practitioner. This is not to besmirch DP in any way … I just think he’s out of his league with this case.

 

[Woodland]

Absolutely no disrespect intended here Snoofo to yourself or DP, but his SCC case (R v Clayton, DP representing Farmer) was not a big feather in his cap .. any case can go on up to the SCC if it has merit … the kudos come when you win the case. In the Farmer case, the SCC ruled that LE did not violate the constitutional rights of the gun-toters Clayton and Farmer. The SCC restored the original convictions, so give DP an E for effort, but this was not a big win for DP or his client (other than DP got paid and his client presumably went to the Big House).

Other than his self-promotion online, I can’t locate any corporate/commercial cases online that his name is associated with during his 2 year employment with Fogler Rubinoff. I don’t see that he was “rehired” at Fogler .. (his linkedin profile indicates his prior articling stint was with Goodman and Carr). As Fogler is not involved in criminal law, his post 1996 foray into that area of law appears to be as sole practitioner. This is not to besmirch DP in any way … I just think he’s out of his league with this case.

BBM - I agree SB - was it a mistake for DP to repeat the other day that DM has not been questioned on the disappearance of LB when TPS began their new search of the farm? The lawyer for MS hung up the phone when reached by a reporter asking about the new search.

Just saying that DP inadvertently informed everyone that 'if' someone is talking deal - it ain't DM.

 

[Archangel7]

BBM - I agree SB - was it a mistake for DP to repeat the other day that DM has not been questioned on the disappearance of LB when TPS began their new search of the farm? The lawyer for MS hung up the phone when reached by a reporter asking about the new search.

Just saying that DP inadvertently informed everyone that 'if' someone is talking deal - it ain't DM.

Not only that but ANY attorney worth his salt KNOWS to be served as Representing Counsel on any Warrants issued pertaining to your client.

The ITO and Warrant have good info for an in the know/on the ball Defense Attorney especially with regards to XXXXXXXX and seeking a XXXXXX XX XXXXXXX.

 

[Woodland]

Wonder how long the cell phone/iPad triangulation is an effective tool for finding someone?

Someone missing for 2 days, found today using cell phone triangulation.

Police had conducted an extensive search near the intersection after police triangulated the last known location of cell phone.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ts-say-had-been-missing-since-monday-evening/

 

[Archangel7]

1. I know you've explained your disdain for DP and have referred to him as inept more than once, but the question remains: does he win cases or doesnt he? I believe he does. I also see that he has gone to the Surpreme Court and that is a very big deal for any litigator. One of our posters in the last couple weeks gave us DP's history and I believe it stated he worked at Fogler Rubinoff. I can assure you Foglers doesnt hire dummies and if he was hired back after articling there he must have been very impressive. Excuse me for saying, it may sound bad but it is true, a firm like Foglers doesnt typically hire a working class guys from Scarborough (not an affluent part of town) like DP, unless they have proven themselves to be exceptional. The only inept people a firm like that will hire are the silver-spooned dummies with great connections to potential big clients.

and 2. How freaky weird this Napoleon's Waterloo might actually be in Waterloo Region????
If DM wrote that letter then he is correct it is stranger than fiction! :scared:

My apologies, I missed this post addressed to me, my bad Snoofo.

I have experienced some very talented and sharp Defense Teams in my time. DP isn't as successful as some think in the legal arena. His record can be reviewed and I believe SillyBilly has an excellent post on DP's different court performances.

I feel DM would better be served by a top of the line Defense Attorney and that may be why all of the recent real estate sales. It cost lots to keep a top notch Defense Attorney and DP on at the same time and you have to eat the cost of DP now simply to keep him from being subpoena-ed by the Crown.
HTH