Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Bertie]

Ms. Babcock and Mr. Millard had begun a sexual relationship in the first half of 2012 while Mr. Millard had a girlfriend, said Shawn Lerner, Ms. Babcock’s ex-boyfriend and close friend.

Well, it seems DM had a girlfriend while having an intimate relationship with LB.

IMO, that explains why there aren't pictures of DM and LB together on facebook or anywhere else.

News Link with above quote: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-police-back-at-accused-murderer-dellen-millards-farm/article14188697/

 

[Snoofo]

..and that's why LE has been at DM's farm twice now, saying that it was in relation to the LB case, because they believe she disappeared voluntarily?

I did say for about a year. July 2012 to June 2013 would be about a year.
Since that time they may have been given enough reason to suspect differently but I understand LE did not find what they may have been looking for at the farm, in relation to LB. IMO, Until they find solid evidence to share with the family, LE cannot totally dismiss the possibility of LB disappearing voluntarily, given their reasons during the first year since she left. I believe that is what they call tunnel vision.

I'm not certain why two farm searches are mentioned to make your point. Please refer to TPS' press release after the first farm search. I think most agreed they implied many things in that presser, and none having anything to do with foul play.

 

[skatergirl]

I did say for about a year. July 2012 to June 2013 would be about a year.
Since that time they may have been given enough reason to suspect differently but I understand LE did not find what they may have been looking for at the farm, in relation to LB. IMO, Until they find solid evidence to share with the family, LE cannot totally dismiss the possibility of LB disappearing voluntarily, given their reasons during the first year since she left. I believe that is what they call tunnel vision.

I'm not certain why two farm searches are mentioned to make your point. Please refer to TPS' press release after the first farm search. I think most agreed they implied many things in that presser, and none having anything to do with foul play.

IMO, I think it is a result of the most recent farm search that prompted the OPP's MCM involvement in the THREE cases. Referring to the quote below, the 'established investigative link' doesn't imply LB's voluntary disappearance. JMO

The murder of Tim Bosma, the disappearance of Laura Babcock and the death of Wayne Millard are now officially part of a single, multi-jurisdictional police investigation.

After establishing an "investigative link" between the three cases, Ontario Provincial Police are directing the streamlined case under the province's Major Case Management (MCM) system.

"especially useful in helping police identify common links in crimes committed in different locations — crimes that might have been committed by the same person."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4136670-opp-will-co-ordinate-bosma-investigation/

And this information regarding the first search of the farm possibly relating to LB's disappearance and a connection to DM

“Homicide officers are executing a search warrant there and it is in relation to our portion of the Bosma investigation,” said Const. Wendy Drummond, a spokeswoman for Toronto police.

Toronto police confirmed that Ms. Babcock’s missing person case is a part of the Bosma investigation.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...micide-unit-searches-tim-bosma-suspects-farm/

 

[Variant]

I did say for about a year. July 2012 to June 2013 would be about a year.
Since that time they may have been given enough reason to suspect differently but I understand LE did not find what they may have been looking for at the farm, in relation to LB. IMO, Until they find solid evidence to share with the family, LE cannot totally dismiss the possibility of LB disappearing voluntarily, given their reasons during the first year since she left. I believe that is what they call tunnel vision.

I'm not certain why two farm searches are mentioned to make your point. Please refer to TPS' press release after the first farm search. I think most agreed they implied many things in that presser, and none having anything to do with foul play.

"her disappearance being voluntary, isnt that what LE believed for about a year (and may still believe)" doesn't describe tunnel vision?

Thank you to skatergirl for the quote.

 

[Juballee]

IMO, I think it is a result of the most recent farm search that prompted the OPP's MCM involvement in the THREE cases. Referring to the quote below, the 'established investigative link' doesn't imply LB's voluntary disappearance. JMO





http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4136670-opp-will-co-ordinate-bosma-investigation/

And this information regarding the first search of the farm possibly relating to LB's disappearance and a connection to DM



http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...micide-unit-searches-tim-bosma-suspects-farm/

I believe that this last quote may possibly be wrong, since at the time that it was written, the LB case was not officially part if the TB case. If I recall correctly, were not able to be investigated together at that time because they were being investigated by two different forces, in two different regions as two separate cases, otherwise they could have co-ordinated their searches and might not have had to have searched the same property 3 times. It is odd that an officer would be quoted as saying that her case was related to the TB case, when they weren't officially, at that point. It is only after they have all been assembled under one OPP MCM umbrella that they have been able to be officially connected. I think that there was a lot of initial confusion in many of the MSM articles that has been somewhat hashed out here since then, and I think, personally, that this may be another instance of people talking without knowing all the details or of media misquoting someone just slightly enough not to be bothered to correct it later.

 

[Woodland]

I believe that this last quote may possibly be wrong, since at the time that it was written, the LB case was not officially part if the TB case. If I recall correctly, were not able to be investigated together at that time because they were being investigated by two different forces, in two different regions as two separate cases, otherwise they could have co-ordinated their searches and might not have had to have searched the same property 3 times. It is odd that an officer would be quoted as saying that her case was related to the TB case, when they weren't officially, at that point. It is only after they have all been assembled under one OPP MCM umbrella that they have been able to be officially connected. I think that there was a lot of initial confusion in many of the MSM articles that has been somewhat hashed out here since then, and I think, personally, that this may be another instance of people talking without knowing all the details or of media misquoting someone just slightly enough not to be bothered to correct it later.

With all due respect, find it difficult to subscribe to what is posted above - not official at one point in time, official at another point in time - makes a point?

She's still missing and no one knows what happened to her. TPS would now like to know the answer to what might have happened to LB and so does the OPP, not to mention her family, SL, many posters on WS ....

FWIW - nothing bugs me more than an LE agency disregarding the disappearance of a female or male who may have been an escort or whatever. Not part of their mandate. Never will be. Picton is the worst case scenario on that thinking - not needed or wanted in a civilized society. Jmo.

 

[swedie]

With all due respect, find it difficult to subscribe to what is posted above - not official at one point in time, official at another point in time - makes a point?

She's still missing and no one knows what happened to her. TPS would now like to know the answer to what might have happened to LB and so does the OPP, not to mention her family, SL, many posters on WS ....

FWIW - nothing bugs me more than an LE agency disregarding the disappearance of a female or male who may have been an escort or whatever. Not part of their mandate. Never will be. Picton is the worst case scenario on that thinking - not needed or wanted in a civilized society. Jmo.

BBM and I agree WL. Yes it is very sad when a females choice of work seems to reflect how serious a case is taken. There are a few missing women in Canada where it appears their disappearance is not given the attention it should be given due to their career choice. What really irks me in this case regarding CT, LE's budget seems to be a major focus and IMHO should not have entered the picture and in such great detail this early into the investigation. Everyone missing should be given the same attention and respect by LE. These people have loved ones who deserve answers and in this case, where LE are pretty certain the victim is deceased, loved ones should be allowed to bury their loves one with some respect and a bit of dignity. JMHO.

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/...n-murder-case-strains-police-overtime-budget/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...r-woman-taking-longer-than-expected-1.1377092

 

[Woodland]

The escort trade and other aspects of it are not always a choice and imo, rarely is. Don't know which is the case for LB - it doesn't matter to me and imo, LE should never make a distinction lest they be wrong.

Occasionally one drops off the face of the earth so to speak by choice, imo most do not make that choice. What we cannot do as a society is ignore the possibilities. Glad TPS is accepting the help required with the initial failure to look for LB.

 

[Snoofo]

"her disappearance being voluntary, isnt that what LE believed for about a year (and may still believe)" doesn't describe tunnel vision?

Thank you to skatergirl for the quote.

Well yes they had tunnel vision for a year for whatever reasons, which is exactly why they cannot put themselves in that position again. We dont know if they have solid evidence leading to another death or do they have circumstantial evidence that leads to a strong hunch that DM is interested in murder and therefore has harmed LB? In any event, given how certain LE was of LB's disappearance being voluntary for so long, it must still be considered a possibility. I cannot imagine that is no longer being considered if LB was a drug addict with mental health problems who self-harmed. (Not to say that if she was in the company of a killer she wouldnt be an easy target because of those same characteristics.)

 

[hopingforjustice]

Just a question...(sorry if I have missed this discussed previously.)
Does anyone have any links that show LB in the escort business? Or is this all reliant on the police statements?

 

[cansleuther]

Does anyone have any links that show LB in the escort business? Or is this all reliant on the police statements?

Quote from SL on the "Help Us Find Laura" FB page:

In just a few months her whole life turned upside down. I don’t know exactly when or how the drugs and this apparent involvement in the escort business started. The first I learned of either was in talking to some of her friends after her disappearance. I’m not trying to justify her actions, I just want to provide some context for what she was going through at the time.

 

[Snoofo]

Just a question...(sorry if I have missed this discussed previously.)
Does anyone have any links that show LB in the escort business? Or is this all reliant on the police statements?

hfj, when it came out from LE I believe some people here found her on a website. I never looked for it personally but there was a link I believe.

 

[Woodland]

Well yes they had tunnel vision for a year for whatever reasons, which is exactly why they cannot put themselves in that position again. We dont know if they have solid evidence leading to another death or do they have circumstantial evidence that leads to a strong hunch that DM is interested in murder and therefore has harmed LB? In any event, given how certain LE was of LB's disappearance being voluntary for so long, it must still be considered a possibility. I cannot imagine that is no longer being considered if LB was a drug addict with mental health problems who self-harmed. (Not to say that if she was in the company of a killer she wouldnt be an easy target because of those same characteristics.)

BBM

Do you have a link that LE was certain LB was missing voluntarily?

Imo TPS showed bias and poor judgement in not looking for her or speaking to her last known contacts - but it's just that, an opinion.

 

[Variant]

Well yes they had tunnel vision for a year for whatever reasons, which is exactly why they cannot put themselves in that position again. We dont know if they have solid evidence leading to another death or do they have circumstantial evidence that leads to a strong hunch that DM is interested in murder and therefore has harmed LB? In any event, given how certain LE was of LB's disappearance being voluntary for so long, it must still be considered a possibility. I cannot imagine that is no longer being considered if LB was a drug addict with mental health problems who self-harmed. (Not to say that if she was in the company of a killer she wouldnt be an easy target because of those same characteristics.)

BBM

How do you know they were certain? Perhaps indifferent or uncaring are better descriptors.

I would hope they are pursuing all paths. Publically, they do appear to be devoting a lot of resources in pursuing the direction that DM is involved in her disappearance.

 

[Snoofo]

OK it is my opinion TPS believed LB's disappearance was voluntary and my opinion is based on their admissions in the June 2013 press conference. I am sure you saw TPS presser in June and the opinions of the majority of webseuthers that TPS was not treating this as anything more than a voluntary disappearance notwithstanding the link to a man arrested for murder.

There may not have been an official statement but anyone who didnt get the strong impression of LE's position on LB in June should watch the press conference again. They also brought up the escort business to try to prove their point. Up until then, that aspect of her life was not widely known and served no other purpose than to justify LE's dismissal of LB.

 

[Snoofo]

BBM

How do you know they were certain? Perhaps indifferent or uncaring are better descriptors.

I would hope they are pursuing all paths. Publically, they do appear to be devoting a lot of resources in pursuing the direction that DM is involved in her disappearance.

Well they have definitely done a 180.
Excuse my use of certain. They seemed certain. Again, the press conference reveals more than I can.

 

[Woodland]

She's still missing, so what TPS knew, or thought they knew, pretty much amounts to sfa. Imo.

Carbone bringing up the escort business in the press conference looked to me like he thought he was justifying the inaction of TPS - he doesn't need to remind anyone.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Thinking of Laura.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Dellen Millard has just been charged with her 1st degree murder as well as that of his father!!!

 

[redheart]

MS also charged in Laura's murder! Christina Noudga, DM's girlfriend, charged with accessory after the fact in Tim's murder.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4457998-bosma-s-accused-killer-charged-with-two-more-murders/