Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[matou]

I noticed a week ago that LB's facebook is not searchable for photos she likes and comments she made and photos she's tagged in, etc. Nothing is searchable even though her fb is still up. I can't remember if I had checked those things earlier.

 

[MsSherlock]

Not sure what you're asking here canadiangirl. All crime scenes are released after they are processed and LE from several different agencies spent a lot of time at the farm processing the scene. And it was this time that was spent there that enabled them to gather evidence and lay other murder charges. I assume that the scene was eventually released so at that point it's up to the owner to do whatever they want with it. I don't think LE can stop them from selling it once it's been released. And if there is any evidence in the future that leads them back to the farm, I'd assume they would just go back with a warrant to the new owners to do some more searching.

Trials take years. Crime scenes are released after being processed and then they are cleaned up, usually at the expense of the owners. If someone was murdered in a home, they don't hold that house for a couple of years until the trial. For what purpose would they do that? They get all the evidence they can from it to bring to trial and then release it back to the owners. It's no different if the crime scene is a farm.

MOO

IMO, the liquidation of properties doesn't necessarily mean that any proceeds from these sales are free and clear from the "proceeds of crime" and "victims of crime" laws. I wouldn't be surprised if funds are frozen or at least being carefully accounted for. It makes total sense to me to sell these properties and assets to avoid further maintenance/storage costs. If they're subleasing the hangar, I seriously doubt that any aviation related businesses would want DM's collection of cars, tools and toys cluttering the space up. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I noticed a week ago that LB's facebook is not searchable for photos she likes and comments she made and photos she's tagged in, etc. Nothing is searchable even though her fb is still up. I can't remember if I had checked those things earlier.

How do you do this on FB? I vaguely remember talking about this before, but can't remember how to do it.

TIA

 

[SnooperDuper]

delete

 

[Sillybilly]

How do you do this on FB? I vaguely remember talking about this before, but can't remember how to do it.

TIA

When you are on the person's FB page, their name appears in the search bar at the top left of the page. Place your cursor after their name and start typing either "commented" or "likes" and a drop down occurs with, for example "Photos ***** commented on" or "Photos ***** likes" and select whichever applies.

 

[bethmcneilly]

According to a coroner involved in the investigation, Laura Babcock's remains were not found on Dellen Millard's farm. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/babcocks-remains-not-found-at-dellen-millards-farm/article18476919/

 

[MsSherlock]

According to a coroner involved in the investigation, Laura Babcock's remains were not found on Dellen Millard's farm. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/babcocks-remains-not-found-at-dellen-millards-farm/article18476919/

If only cremains were found, or teeth/bone fragments, would the Coroners office be involved?
http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/engl...onersInvestigations/OCC_common_questions.html

 

[bethmcneilly]

If only cremains were found, or teeth/bone fragments, would the Coroners office be involved?
http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/engl...onersInvestigations/OCC_common_questions.html

After skimming through a link from within your link, I 'think' the answer to that might be yes? I am not positive though, what do you think?

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90c37_e.htm

 

[MsSherlock]

After skimming through a link from within your link, I 'think' the answer to that might be yes? I am not positive though, what do you think?

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90c37_e.htm

If I read this right, the Coroner can delegate their duties as well, so it may very well be true that remains were in fact found (ie cremains in incinerator) and due to the nature of the investigation, the Coroners office gave authority over to forensic investigators- and then the statement from the Coroners office would be very correct. IMHO, the writer of this article could have dug a bit deeper into the conditions whereby the Coroner would be or may not be involved. The article almost gives me a feeling that LB's family is holding out hope based on this. MOO In the event of WM's death, it was thought to be a suicide and the Coroner was called in, however, it may not be the case with LB. May just be misleading journalism IMO.

No warrant

(5) A coroner may proceed with an investigation without taking possession of the body where the body has been destroyed in whole or in part or is lying in a place from which it cannot be recovered or has been removed from Ontario. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.37, s. 15 (5).

Investigative powers

16. (1) A coroner may,

(a) examine or take possession of any dead body, or both; and

(b) enter and inspect any place where a dead body is and any place from which the coroner has reasonable grounds for believing the body was removed. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.37, s. 16 (1); 2009, c. 15, s. 8.

Idem

(2) A coroner who believes on reasonable and probable grounds that to do so is necessary for the purposes of the investigation may,

(a) inspect any place in which the deceased person was, or in which the coroner has reasonable grounds to believe the deceased person was, prior to his or her death;

(b) inspect and extract information from any records or writings relating to the deceased or his or her circumstances and reproduce such copies therefrom as the coroner believes necessary;

(c) seize anything that the coroner has reasonable grounds to believe is material to the purposes of the investigation. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.37, s. 16 (2).

Delegation of powers

(3) A coroner may authorize a legally qualified medical practitioner or a police officer to exercise all or any of the coroner’s powers under subsection (1). R.S.O. 1990, c. C.37, s. 16 (3).

Idem

(4) A coroner may, where in his or her opinion it is necessary for the purposes of the investigation, authorize a legally qualified medical practitioner or a police officer to exercise all or any of the coroner’s powers under clauses (2) (a), (b) and (c) but, where such power is conditional on the belief of the coroner, the requisite belief shall be that of the coroner personally. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.37, s. 16 (4).

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90c37_e.htm

 

[bethmcneilly]

It may have been delegated to another authority, MsSherlock. Or possibly the evidence points to LB's death happening in a different jurisdiction altogether (another reason that Coroner would not be involved). I wonder what happens if evidence points to a death happening in an 'unknown' jurisdiction, with no recovered remains? An example could be if LB's death was recorded on a video that the police recovered. Possibly a real life version of the 'type' of video that Mark Smich made a fictitious version of? A video is one of the possibilities I have been considering as how the police might know she is gone and when it happened, with no recovered remains :-(.

 

[Juballee]

Regardless of whether the coroner's office had delegated it to another authority or if the remains were found in another region, if there were any remains at all found, whether it was ashes or a tooth or something, they would be returned to Laura's family for them to lay to rest, just as Tim's ashes were, would they not?

 

[bethmcneilly]

Regardless of whether the coroner's office had delegated it to another authority or if the remains were found in another region, if there were any remains at all found, whether it was ashes or a tooth or something, they would be returned to Laura's family for them to lay to rest, just as Tim's ashes were, would they not?

I would hope so. I believe that they did not find any remains. This must be so awful for her family and friends.

 

[MsSherlock]

Regardless of whether the coroner's office had delegated it to another authority or if the remains were found in another region, if there were any remains at all found, whether it was ashes or a tooth or something, they would be returned to Laura's family for them to lay to rest, just as Tim's ashes were, would they not?

Good question Juballee. I'm not sure of LE procedure and perhaps what they do have is evidence of some sort? I think with TB there was at least something. As mentioned previously, perhaps it's something that's been filmed, backed by other physical evidence other than a body allowing LE to lay 1st degree murder charges against DM and MS. IMO, it has to be something more than a whim.

 

[matou]

According to a coroner involved in the investigation, Laura Babcock's remains were not found on Dellen Millard's farm. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/babcocks-remains-not-found-at-dellen-millards-farm/article18476919/

Maybe they are with his father's undisclosed cremated remains?

 

[palisadesk]

perhaps what they do have is evidence of some sort?

It is possible they found LB's DNA but no "remains." In the Pickton case that was the situation for several identified victims. The families did not get any "remains" back because microscopic DNA is not, technically, remains. So the coroner's office can say that no remains were found even if (and we don't know whether this is the case, but it is certainly possible) LB's DNA was found.

 

[Snoofo]

Whatever it is, it should be proof of death. Finding the DNA of a sex partner on someone's property is not that incriminating unless it actually implies death and not just a sex act. I'm thinking this has something to do with Say10.

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[palisadesk]

Finding the DNA of a sex partner on someone's property is not that incriminating unless it actually implies death

Pickton's victims were sex partners too. However the DNA of some victims was found in pig manure, evidence of how the remains were disposed of. In this case, LB's DNA found in, on or near the incinerator (for example) would also imply death. There are other possibilities.

 

[Woodland]

It may have been delegated to another authority, MsSherlock. Or possibly the evidence points to LB's death happening in a different jurisdiction altogether (another reason that Coroner would not be involved). I wonder what happens if evidence points to a death happening in an 'unknown' jurisdiction, with no recovered remains? An example could be if LB's death was recorded on a video that the police recovered. Possibly a real life version of the 'type' of video that Mark Smich made a fictitious version of? A video is one of the possibilities I have been considering as how the police might know she is gone and when it happened, with no recovered remains :-(.

BBM

A specific date of death for LB but no remains we know of, and the overall case (LB, WM and TB) is reported to involve the largest computer seizure known in Canada to date?

Imo, all the seized computers are unlikely to be in Canada only. Jmo.

 

[Snoofo]

Pickton's victims were sex partners too. However the DNA of some victims was found in pig manure, evidence of how the remains were disposed of. In this case, LB's DNA found in, on or near the incinerator (for example) would also imply death. There are other possibilities.

Agreed, except I was responding to the latest information linked above whereby she was not found on the farm, therefore nowhere near or inside the incinerator. It would have to be at another location but the other area would also have to imply death took place not just sex is all I'm saying.

The video suggestion is a gruesome possibility. After seeing the realistic-looking snuff video it doesn't seem so far-fetched.


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[puppyraiser]

I recall the person who filmed the video spoke out, but did he ever say where it was filmed, and when? Could they have used the interior of the barn on DM's property?