Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

RSBM:


IMO it's quite possible that the incinerator was shipped and/or delivered in July and that has morphed into "ordered" in July in news reporting.
This link says not specifically that it was ordered in July. IMO it's possible the incinerator was ordered in June and shipped and delivered early in July with an invoice dated for the ship date, not the order date.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

The next article is even less specific, saying BBM

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

IMO I see nothing to exclude the possibility that the Eliminator was ordered before DM killed LB.

I think when you are dealing with accounts payable/accounts receivable, the only relevant date on an invoice is the order date - the date the order was initiated. Both the Sun and the Globe talked to the vendor, who would look at things from the perspective of the order date, which is the same as the purchase date, which is the invoice date. I've never dealt with a system that organized invoices by the ship date, and certainly not by the delivery date. In fact a lot of invoices in the system would have those fields validly listed as blank, so you cannot index on those fields. So that makes no sense to me.

And still, if the device was shipped in July, it wouldn't have made it to Millardair in time to prevent a delay in the disposal of LB's body.

I get where you are coming from though: if DM ordered the incinerator before LB was killed, it would support a charge of first degree murder. However there may be other factors going towards that charge, for instance, communications between MS and DM showing planning, and between DM and LB showing luring.

 

[redheart]

Just speaking personally - I do a lot of online purchasing, and often receive invoices that are created or dated when my order ships. My CC payment also goes through on that date, even if I've ordered weeks before.
I just don't see any definitive proof here that the Eliminator wasn't ordered until July. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I think when you are dealing with accounts payable/accounts receivable, the only relevant date on an invoice is the order date - the date the order was initiated. Both the Sun and the Globe talked to the vendor, who would look at things from the perspective of the order date, which is the same as the purchase date, which is the invoice date. I've never dealt with a system that organized invoices by the ship date, and certainly not by the delivery date. In fact a lot of invoices in the system would have those fields validly listed as blank, so you cannot index on those fields. So that makes no sense to me.

And still, if the device was shipped in July, it wouldn't have made it to Millardair in time to prevent a delay in the disposal of LB's body.

I get where you are coming from though: if DM ordered the incinerator before LB was killed, it would support a charge of first degree murder. However there may be other factors going towards that charge, for instance, communications between MS and DM showing planning, and between DM and LB showing luring.

Or, perhaps DM and MS killed LB on the fly and then DM went into mastermind mode and googled "how to get rid of a dead body?" http://clevergirlhelps.tumblr.com/post/56242837314/hiding-dead-bodies After all, since he had places to go and people to see overseas he needed something that would work amazingly fast. JMHO

 

[swedie]

MsSherlock that link is quite gory, also including a wood chipper. And ironically DM had a wood chipper. Wonder why he had a wood chipper? Clearing some trees somewhere on the farmland...eventually for his dream house? IIRC it was seen in photos sitting at the hangar. Earlier pictures of it inside and IIRC during LE investigation, it was seen outside but I cannot find the outside one now. BTW the green one was the one at DM's hangar. Took imagine from a post way back where someone posted the two together for comparison. MOO.

And yes Snoofo, it was the TPS who conducted that search of the barn last September.

I tend to think along the lines as Redheart stated above. No obvious signs of LB at the farmland during LE's initial search. Further scientific testing my have proven otherwise. JMO.

 

[matou]

I have to wonder why DM actually bought that farm in Ayr in the first place. I call total BS that he was buying it to build a house for him and his ex-fiancee. Why wouldn't he sell it after they split up? I have a feeling he was planning on offing his dad early on and WM would have ended up on that land ultimately. He had to make that death a suicide since he had already killed LB and likely used his farm to dispose of her. JMO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Does anyone know why DM and the fiancee broke up? I believe we know he got with CN shortly after, correct? Sorry if it's been asked before. Or not allowed...

 

[matou]

Court appearance today for both Millard and Smich in the death of Laura Babcock.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...sed-murderers-of-laura-babcock-tim-bosma.html

 

[hopingforjustice]

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-indictment-in-laura-babcock-murder-case.html


Crown seeks direct indictment in Laura Babcock murder case
Posted on October 30, 2014

The Crown is seeking a direct indictment in the Laura Babcock murder case, raising further questions about the original investigation into her disappearance by Toronto police.

 

[MsSherlock]

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-indictment-in-laura-babcock-murder-case.html


Crown seeks direct indictment in Laura Babcock murder case
Posted on October 30, 2014

The Crown is seeking a direct indictment in the Laura Babcock murder case, raising further questions about the original investigation into her disappearance by Toronto police.

Very interesting considering that LE doesn't have a body. Considering that the Crown would need to provide the AG with enough evidence to prove that not only is LB dead, but that there was a good likelihood of DM & MS being found guilty, makes me wonder exactly what that evidence would be.
Video's? Pics? Tweets? Emails? Texts? Notes? Eyewitness testimony?

"Penney explained a direct indictment may be used when there is concern evidence against the accused that may not be admitted or admissible in trial, will leak out and potentially contaminate the jury during a preliminary hearing.

He noted there is also a correlation between proceeding by direct indictment and cases that have attracted a lot of public and media attention. Recent cases in the Edmonton media that have proceeded by direct indictment include the case of Baby M and the University of Alberta HUB Mall shooting.

Another reason direct indictment may be used is if there is concern the trial occur in a timely fashion."
http://www.stalbertgazette.com/arti...1/mccann-double-murder-goes-straight-to-trial

Then there's the case of Travis Vader, another direct indictment example, but in this case charges were stayed and Vader was released.
"Vader's lawyer, Brian Beresh, had harsh words for police and prosecutors. He said officers publicly condemned his client without proper evidence and the Crown sped ahead with its prosecution, proceeding by direct indictment rather than holding a preliminary hearing.

"There was not now, and never was, a realistic or serious chance of any conviction," Beresh told reporters outside court. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/19/travis-vader-charges-stayed_n_4993650.html

 

[Juballee]

To me, it sounds kind of sneaky and undermining of the whole process to proceed straight to trial because evidence that might not even be admissible may leak out before the trial. Considering all the things that have 'leaked out' already that are potentially contaminating the jury pool, it makes it sound a little like the cards are being stacked against the defendant, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't think a lot of people truly understand what it means to be living in the age of electronic records.

20 years ago there were still banks in Canada that were operating on paper. Your medical records were paper. People had privacy just because information was so inaccessable because of the the physical form of it.

Now banks and the health system are fully electronic, and so many companies and other entities have so much data on so many people that it is pointless for the Canadian government to execute the long form census, when they can just buy that data (cheaper) from anyone.

For instance, IMO, you cannot tangle with a database-backed industry like telecom and remain anonymous. Data mining (connecting information in two databases through one or more key pieces of information) lays everything bare.

Please have a read about Target to understand the depth of information that companies compile about you, and what they can do with it:

About a year after Pole created his pregnancy-prediction model, a man walked into a Target outside Minneapolis and demanded to see the manager. He was clutching coupons that had been sent to his daughter, and he was angry, according to an employee who participated in the conversation.

“My daughter got this in the mail!” he said. “She’s still in high school, and you’re sending her coupons for baby clothes and cribs? Are you trying to encourage her to get pregnant?”

The manager didn’t have any idea what the man was talking about. He looked at the mailer. Sure enough, it was addressed to the man’s daughter and contained advertisements for maternity clothing, nursery furniture and pictures of smiling infants. The manager apologized and then called a few days later to apologize again.

On the phone, though, the father was somewhat abashed. “I had a talk with my daughter,” he said. “It turns out there’s been some activities in my house I haven’t been completely aware of. She’s due in August. I owe you an apology.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Retailers can use analytics on their databases to discover information about you you didn't even know yourself.

DM did not pick the most anonymous phone option because reports are, he had to register it, and used a false name. The problem is even false info contains half truths. Ten bucks says DM registered the phone to Pedo Cánidos and thought no one would ever link that back to him, or something similar.


So first and foremost, I think DM and MS were done in by databases.


Secondly, we have heard nothing on the results of any DNA testing, including that of TB's remains. DNA testing is routine now. There will be DNA evidence, or else it will be significantly absent, and that would raise significant doubt.

 

[Tamarind]

I don't think a lot of people truly understand what it means to be living in the age of electronic records.

20 years ago there were still banks in Canada that were operating on paper. Your medical records were paper. People had privacy just because information was so inaccessable because of the the physical form of it.

Now banks and the health system are fully electronic, and so many companies and other entities have so much data on so many people that it is pointless for the Canadian government to execute the long form census, when they can just buy that data (cheaper) from anyone.

For instance, IMO, you cannot tangle with a database-backed industry like telecom and remain anonymous. Data mining (connecting information in two databases through one or more key pieces of information) lays everything bare.

Please have a read about Target to understand the depth of information that companies compile about you, and what they can do with it:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Retailers can use analytics on their databases to discover information about you you didn't even know yourself.

DM did not pick the most anonymous phone option because reports are, he had to register it, and used a false name. The problem is even false info contains half truths. Ten bucks says DM registered the phone to Pedo Cánidos and thought no one would ever link that back to him, or something similar.


So first and foremost, I think DM and MS were done in by databases.


Secondly, we have heard nothing on the results of any DNA testing, including that of TB's remains. DNA testing is routine now. There will be DNA evidence, or else it will be significantly absent, and that would raise significant doubt.

I can see why you would feel that way, but I seem to remember reading that someone was using an email that was the accused name at hotmail.dot com. The one using this was not the accused. So how would LE unravel that? I don't think it is as simple as people think. Also the date is June 2012, the month prior to LB disappearance. JMO

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please remove links if it some way conflicts with rules. TIA

 

[SnooperDuper]

I can see why you would feel that way, but I seem to remember reading that someone was using an email that was the accused name at hotmail.dot com. The one using this was not the accused. So how would LE unravel that? I don't think it is as simple as people think. Also the date is June 2012, the month prior to LB disappearance. JMO

[modsnip]

please remove links if it some way conflicts with rules. TIA

Outlook maintains an audit trail of logins to control spammers that hijack accounts. This shows date, time, location, IP, device used to login every time you login. I would see where people log in to that account: from DM's house, buddy's house, the business? Most important would be who is logging in from where outside of business hours, and the content of the email. Outlook is probably the best at recovering deleted email among free email services too. I'm not saying that solves it; just that a WHOIS entry (where email addresses typically harvest a ton of spam) is not a solid link between buddy and the email address. If I were registering a domain for DM I would use his address too, not because I had the password to it, but because I don't want his spam, or to have to hunt him down when I get the domain renewal notice YEARS later.

 

[Tamarind]

Outlook maintains an audit trail of logins to control spammers that hijack accounts. This shows date, time, location, IP, device used to login every time you login. I would see where people log in to that account: from DM's house, buddy's house, the business? Most important would be who is logging in from where outside of business hours, and the content of the email. Outlook is probably the best at recovering deleted email among free email services too. I'm not saying that solves it; just that a WHOIS entry (where email addresses typically harvest a ton of spam) is not a solid link between buddy and the email address. If I were registering a domain for DM I would use his address too, not because I had the password to it, but because I don't want his spam, or to have to hunt him down when I get the domain renewal notice YEARS later.

I think domain names are renewable/paid for, every year aren't they? A hotmail account to me for business is unprofessional so I am thinking it was not actually DM's business email address.

 

[robynhood]

I think It is IMPORTANT to realize as MOST INTERNET PPL now your IP address is dropped when you enter groups and sites.....IP addresses can be traced to where you logged in....JMO from my IT expert that lives here.. robynhood...and LE can trace it to YOUR OWN PERSONAL Computer...I was just told by my expert IT ..JMHO a ton of info was gathered from all computers seized ....but than again you will all see when this enters the courts and the CROWN presents their evidence....I will again tweet it here...for all to see...

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think domain names are renewable/paid for, every year aren't they? A hotmail account to me for business is unprofessional so I am thinking it was not actually DM's business email address.

No you can usually choose a term, so you do not have to renew yearly.

If you are not going to pay to keep your domain registration info private (and they didn't) you would want to use a hotmail address or similar to suck up all the spam you'll get. I'd expect it was just an old junky account that he had already set up long ago, that he didn't care about filling with spam but still had access to.

So no, probably not a business email address.

 

[Tamarind]

I think It is IMPORTANT to realize as MOST INTERNET PPL now your IP address is dropped when you enter groups and sites.....IP addresses can be traced to where you logged in....JMO from my IT expert that lives here.. robynhood...and LE can trace it to YOUR OWN PERSONAL Computer...I was just told by my expert IT ..JMHO a ton of info was gathered from all computers seized ....but than again you will all see when this enters the courts and the CROWN presents their evidence....I will again tweet it here...for all to see...

Yes, IP addresses can be tracked but only to the computer/server. I don't think it's possible to know who is actually using the computer at any given time,unless they can activate the built in camera, which would be invasion of privacy of course. But yes they can identify a computer thats for sure. Some computers are in public facilities like universities, so many people are using them. I think it will come down to inference and suspicion as to who was using the computers rather than actual factual identification of the user. JMO Inference is often a way of trying to implicate people in court from what I have heard JMO, but not all inferences can be used.

 

[Tamarind]

No you can usually choose a term, so you do not have to renew yearly.

If you are not going to pay to keep your domain registration info private (and they didn't) you would want to use a hotmail address or similar to suck up all the spam you'll get. I'd expect it was just an old junky account that he had already set up long ago, that he didn't care about filling with spam but still had access to.

So no, probably not a business email address.

Do you think he also set up the phone number too? That being the same phone number thats been used to sell his things online since he has been incarcerated ! That would mean that someone (who cannot be sleuthed) is still using that phone number and quite possibly has been and still is using that email address. It cant be ruled out IMO, if phone number is still being used by someone other than DM, it could indicate that email is also being used along with it.

I am sure I read somewhere that DM's home address was also being used as an office address for another individual, who obviously cant be sleuthed, but who may well have spent a lot of time at the address and possibly on the computer. JMO

 

[robynhood]

a response further on collecting INFO off cell phones by LE..PPL who are familiar with the terrible Tori Strafford ( April 2009 )case in woodstock , ONT... and it is still on websleuther know that :
1. whenthe case finally went to court 2 years later ...the crown was able to use Micheal Rafferty's cell phone info as evidence as to locate him on the horrible day of the MURDER...they could trace it to the towers it PINGED OFF...

2. He was smart enough to remove his battery when he kidnapped her and the long 2 hour horror drive that OUR ONT. Angel endured.

3. Camaras pin pointed him in many locations when the battery was put back in ...ATM machine , home depot in London ...etc....

All of the above info can be found on websleuther even today!

I thought some ppl here may find that Interesting concerning 'cellphone info " the police are able to collect from cell phones......sorry a bit off topic with this other case...JMHO as it does show that cellphones do gather info even if you are not at Home.....Of course it does not show who is using the phone but does help in murder trials ...JMHO...robynhood

 

[SnooperDuper]

Yes, IP addresses can be tracked but only to the computer/server. I don't think it's possible to know who is actually using the computer at any given time,unless they can activate the built in camera, which would be invasion of privacy of course. But yes they can identify a computer thats for sure. Some computers are in public facilities like universities, so many people are using them. I think it will come down to inference and suspicion as to who was using the computers rather than actual factual identification of the user. JMO Inference is often a way of trying to implicate people in court from what I have heard JMO, but not all inferences can be used.

If you want to use a computer on a university network, you have to login with your name and password. If you want to use a public library computer, you must swipe your library card. Because you are using verified identification to use the computer, you can be tied to the computer.

When it comes to someone else using your home computer, well, there is a lock on your door, and a password on your computer, and a password on each of your accounts...if someone had total access to DM's computer and was able to get through three or more layers of security like this, why didn't they just steal his money from his bank account?

Don't forget there will be smartphones, which have GPS. If DM's smartphone was mapped to his house at the same time DM's computer accessed Auto Trader and the burner phone's location triangulates to the area of DM's house...behind DM's locked door, and all of his passwords...well what then?