Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[cansleuther]

NAMPN site: the cuts and bruises part and the mention of depression, makes her sound suicidal.

However, that site isn't run by any sort of organization, just an individual, and that link didn't churn up until September 2013 here on WS, so I'm betting it was posted after all the news stories were posted. I am not sure how authentic/authorative that info is. It's not official in any way, IMO.

Official or not, the NAMPN post also mentions that LB left cash at her parents house - yet that piece of information was not released in MSM until the Toronto Star article in June 2014. Whoever sent the information to NAMPN in 2012 or 2013 must have known about the cash - and not through MSM.

 

[Tamarind]

Voila !! .. a Canadian inquest w/o a body:

http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=31031a46-6747-4ea3-b40d-ceb5de895da3

Yes an inquest without a body. To determine where body alive or dead may be, sounds good to me. An inquest may also determine that no death has occurred. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

NAMPN site: the cuts and bruises part and the mention of depression, makes her sound suicidal.

However, that site isn't run by any sort of organization, just an individual, and that link didn't churn up until September 2013 here on WS, so I'm betting it was posted after all the news stories were posted. I am not sure how authentic/authorative that info is. It's not official in any way, IMO.

Well neither is everything that is posted here to be honest ! We have a lot of unnamed sources and the like.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Official or not, the NAMPN post also mentions that LB left cash at her parents house - yet that piece of information was not released in MSM until the Toronto Star article in June 2014. Whoever sent the information to NAMPN in 2012 or 2013 must have known about the cash - and not through MSM.

Interesting: and that person also wanted to give the impression that LB was suicidal and not murdered.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well neither is everything that is posted here to be honest ! We have a lot of unnamed sources and the like.

Well you can still only guess. Well said.

 

[Tamarind]

The NAMPN post also mentions that LB left cash at her parents house, yet that piece of information was not released in MSM until the Toronto Star article in June 2014. Whoever sent the information to NAMPN in 2012 or 2013 must have known about the cash - and not through MSM.

It makes me think that LB knew where she was going and left her important stuff at home, dog, cash ! If thats the case then she was not abducted but either went willingly or was about to end things in her own way. There is a possibility that she had been threatened and wanted to get out of the way, but why leave the cash?

 

[Tamarind]

Interesting: and that person also wanted to give the impression that LB was suicidal and not murdered.

Maybe they didn't want to give the impression, but had that impression themselves?

 

[cansleuther]

Maybe they didn't want to give the impression, but had that impression themselves?

It seems LB's friends were definitely concerned about suicide:

On June 30, unbeknownst to her friends, Babcock’s parents came home to find Lacey and a shoebox full of cash, but not their daughter. In hindsight, friends say Babcock’s abandonment of Lacey was ominous. They worried about suicide.

Also, LB's missing date on the NAMPN site is listed as July 2, 2012 - which is the last day that LB and SL were in contact via text. Perhaps SL was the one to provide the information to NAMPN?

Babcock and Lerner stayed in touch by text until July 2.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html#

 

[SnooperDuper]

It seems LB's friends were definitely concerned about suicide:

Also, LB's missing date on the NAMPN site is listed as July 2, 2012 - which is the last day that LB and SL were in contact via text. Perhaps SL was the one to provide the information to NAMPN?

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html#

SL considered LB missing as of June 26, when he last saw her, and I believe that is the date he chose to use on the posters? So probably not SL.

As for suicide, it is bit of a houdini trick to commit suicide and have your body never be found.

It's also so hard to drop off the grid that I think you really need someone else's help to do so. And staying on the grid under a different name is not hiding IMO.

 

[Tamarind]

SL considered LB missing as of June 26, when he last saw her, and I believe that is the date he chose to use on the posters? So probably not SL.

As for suicide, it is bit of a houdini trick to commit suicide and have your body never be found.

It's also so hard to drop off the grid that I think you really need someone else's help to do so. And staying on the grid under a different name is not hiding IMO.

Why would she be considered missing from June 26th 2012, if SL had contact with her on July 2nd?

If SL didnt help her out on July 2nd she obviously went asking around and again came up with nobody wanting to give her shelter, for whatever reason. Did she owe her family money and left the money there to pay them back? Where did the money come from? Was it is bills or coins and bills or coins only? Was it crumpled or looking like it was from a bank machine? Was it a precise amount? I dont think the 'photographer' boyfriend was DM at all IMO. But I would like to know who it was/is? The short time from leaving the dog and cash till July 3rd is quite interesting. That means she stayed somewhere for 3 nights, do we know where? She was obviously desperate for somewhere to stay and obviously could not think well enough to realize that even her parents garage would be better than the streets. So it seems she may have felt abandoned IMO. She could well be reading these posts right now or she may be in the middle of nowhere, or she is with someone either iin good hands or bad. JMO

Just a side note, sometimes bodies are not found for years.

 

[Juballee]

SL considered LB missing as of June 26, when he last saw her, and I believe that is the date he chose to use on the posters? So probably not SL.

As for suicide, it is bit of a houdini trick to commit suicide and have your body never be found.

It's also so hard to drop off the grid that I think you really need someone else's help to do so. And staying on the grid under a different name is not hiding IMO.

What about poor Miriam Makhniashvili? People were actively looking for her, including over a hundred LE, and she was on a golf course in the middle of a huge city over two years later.

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news...d_after_missing_teens_remains_identified.html

One funny thing that I noticed reading over this article that also fits with our theme of technological invasion:

“It’s just unfortunate we didn’t go down far enough,” he said, adding that police will now try to piece together the final movements of Mariam with video from highway surveillance cameras.

Now, who would think that the MTO is keeping the footage from all those highway cameras for over 2 years?

 

[Arnie M]

It makes me think that LB knew where she was going and left her important stuff at home, dog, cash ! If thats the case then she was not abducted but either went willingly or was about to end things in her own way. There is a possibility that she had been threatened and wanted to get out of the way, but why leave the cash?

Have you considered maybe she stole the shoebox full of money and somebody retaliated ????

That is one part of the puzzle that did not add up .... LB was sleeping on various sofas , appeared to be short of funds , friends had to lend her a phone , or rent her a room so she had somewhere to stay .... yet in the midst of that is the shoebox of money .... $4000 I believe it was

The rapper-drug-dealers show off shoeboxes of money ...
Stealing from a dealer is a major crime in the criminal underworld
It is another possibility IMO

http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-271112266/krucifix14/photos/ig-568252178731593675_271112266

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[cansleuther]

That is one part of the puzzle that did not add up .... LB was sleeping on various sofas , appeared to be short of funds , friends had to lend her a phone , or rent her a room so she had somewhere to stay .... yet in the midst of that is the shoebox of money .... $4000 I believe it was.

The exact amount of money in the shoebox was never mentioned in MSM. Could you be thinking of the $4000 that LB loaned to DA? The article doesn't mention if she was ever reimbursed.

<DA> told the Star that things started to fall apart after Babcock surprised him with his own puppy, a purebred Siberian husky, as a present for his birthday. Within weeks, the dog had a life-threatening stomach infection that racked up $4,000 in vet bills. Babcock paid and <DA> promised to reimburse her, he said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[matou]

I'm worried that Laura was shot since the 3 Matthews were arrested for selling DM a gun sometime between June and July 2012. The time Laura disappeared and was murdered. JMO

All three names appear on a newly filed list of people Millard and Smich have been ordered by the court not to have any contact with.

Police allege all three trafficked a gun between June 1, 2012, and July 30, 2012.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html

 

[Variant]

Have you considered maybe she stole the shoebox full of money and somebody retaliated ????

That is one part of the puzzle that did not add up .... LB was sleeping on various sofas , appeared to be short of funds , friends had to lend her a phone , or rent her a room so she had somewhere to stay .... yet in the midst of that is the shoebox of money .... $4000 I believe it was

The rapper-drug-dealers show off shoeboxes of money ...
Stealing from a dealer is a major crime in the criminal underworld
It is another possibility IMO

http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-271112266/krucifix14/photos/ig-568252178731593675_271112266

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As I recall WS rules, victims are supposed to be off-limits for this kind of speculation.

Too bad enforcement isn't presumed to have been competent in investigating the possibilities before laying the charges they did.

 

[Arnie M]

It was never mentioned in MSM how much money was in the shoebox. Could you be thinking of the $4000 that LB loaned to DA? The article doesn't mention if she was ever reimbursed.



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

There was mention of a shoebox full of money ... ... & I think it was her family who talked about it.

And it was right at the time she went missing

On June 30, unbeknownst to her friends, Babcock’s parents came home to find Lacey and a shoebox full of cash, but not their daughter. In hindsight, friends say Babcock’s abandonment of Lacey was ominous. They worried about suicide.

The next day, Babcock contacted high school friend Nicole MacLeod, again looking for a place to stay. She told MacLeod she had ditched her beloved pet because the dog had become too much of a burden.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[cansleuther]

There was mention of a shoebox full of money ... ... & I think it was her family who talked about it.

And it was right at the time she went missing

Right. The shoebox of cash was mentioned in the article - but not the exact amount of cash contained in it. The $4000 mentioned in the article is referring to the vet bill - not the contents of the shoebox. It is still unknown (to WS at least) how much cash was in the shoebox.

 

[Sillybilly]

Any idea what that black stuff is on the $50 bill, and what that black item is underneath the shoe on the left?

FWIW, new Christian Louboutin shoes are uber pricey .. can run anywhere from a few hundred to $1500.

 

[cansleuther]

Any idea what that black stuff is on the $50 bill, and what that black item is underneath the shoe on the left?

FWIW, new Christian Louboutin shoes are uber pricey .. can run anywhere from a few hundred to $1500.

It looks like the clear window on the $50 bill with the background showing through, maybe? And possibly a key ring underneath the shoe on the left?

And FWIW, that particular style of Louboutin's retails for $1075 USD - provided they are authentic, of course.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I agree that the Coroner's response appears crafted. Ontario has moved to reduce or remove the Coroner's office involvement in special cases like these, and replace them with forensic pathologists. I strongly believe that this policy is already being applied to the DM cases. Even if remains were found they wouldn't necessarily have been received or examined by the coroner.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...expanded_role_in_homicide_investigations.html

I don't think this means the Coroner's "office" will be removed from cases of suspicious deaths and homicides. The forensic pathologists will be schooled and appointed as "Coroners". What's changing is that the forensic pathologists will do the complete investigation, from attending the crime scene to doing the autopsy to testifying in court. Rather than the Coroner attending the crime scene, the pathologist conducting the autopsy and then the Coroner testifying in court. The Coroner's office should still have a record of an investigation or inquiry if there is one.

http://news.ontario.ca/mcscs/en/2013/08/ontario-strengthening-death-investigation-system.html

JMO