Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[swedie]

It's always good to have a few positive assets listed in your verbal resume when introducing yourself and having conversation with someone. I would say it's safe to say DM told lies or should I say, stretched the truth. Was this one of those times? Did he lie to LB? So he took soft pictures and favoured himself to be a photographer. :secret: He also told people his father died of an aneurysm instead of a gun shot to the head. Just a little stretch of the truth. Kind of like his statement that he probably loved his father more than himself. Just stretching. MOO.

Personally if I was a male, I would prefer to tell people I am into photography as opposed to make up or animation. JMO though.

Also, LB had a computer at her parent's home which LE took to search for evidence. Life was pretty rocky prior to her moving out of her parent's home. Wonder what LE found on her computer? Could they have found evidence that lead to one of Ontario's largest seizures? It's been noted LB and CN were friends. What types of conversations were the two of them having via internet prior to LB's disappearance? MOO.

May 17, 2013
Laura Babcock’s brother Brent confirmed to CityNews that his sister knew Dellen Millard.

“She was like his friend. He would invite her to parties, and she loved parties,” he explained. “He picked her up at various time to go to events with her.”

“The police have her phone records,” Babcock’s brother said. “They took her computer to see what digital conversations she’s had with anyone.”

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/17/family-says-missing-toronto-woman-knew-dellen-millard/

April 11, 2014
Tony Leitch, the Hamilton Crown attorney prosecuting the Bosma case, says the project involves "one of the largest computer seizures in Ontario criminal law history."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

“He was probably the person I loved most in the world, even more than myself,” he says. “We would have deep discussions. He needed me a lot for the business.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

 

[Juballee]

<rsbm>

I recall seeing the copyright on the pics of Josie, and we discussed it in one of the very early threads.

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2878848-police-probe-millard-s-connections-to-other-cases/

When it said that the pictures were protected by copyright, did it say who owned the copyright? I believe it has been pointed out that the website that they were posted on has strict rules about holding the copyrights to any photos it published.

 

[Tamarind]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/10/search-continues-on-farm-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer

Not many people would be claiming to be a wealthy pilot/photographer. Certainly not many who also happened to show up on LB's cell records.

And her Uncle likely thought her description of her "new boyfriend" was a line she was getting. It appears that he considered the crowd she was hanging with "unsavoury", including the new wealthy, pilot/photographer. He likely didn't believe that description. Who would really? Although I suppose WM could have called himself a wealthy pilot/videographer?

MOO

There is also that little tidbit that indicates that the uncle hadn't seen her in two years !

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe he sounded like a playboy, and the uncle wisely didn't want him there and introduced to all the relatives and then gone from LB's life before the thank-you cards are out. Then the family has to answer questions about the guy for years. "Remember that young man, who was with LB at the wedding, what was his name? Oh they're not together anymore?"...Who needs that?

I think its more likely that cost was involved. Weddings are not cheap usually and people have to draw the line where guests are concerned. Some people draw the line and say no children. Others stick to immediate family, and some don't ask boyfriends and girlfriends of nieces, nephews or friends (if friends are invited). In my opinion its as simple as that.

 

[Sillybilly]

There is also that little tidbit that indicates that the uncle hadn't seen her in two years !

What significance do you attach to that?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think, the uncle knew his niece very well and perhaps there was always trouble, if her "boyfriend" (who ever) was present? Maybe he heard of her mentally state and of her trouble with another boyfriend by her mother/father/brother before?

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

I recall seeing the copyright on the pics of Josie, and we discussed it in one of the very early threads.

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2878848-police-probe-millard-s-connections-to-other-cases/

Thanks, sillybilly. I managed to find copies of some of the pictures online. What the stamp actually says is "COPYRIGHT 2004 WWW.SUICIDEGIRLS.COM" and it has the SG logo beside it. To me, that says that SG owned the copyright, not DM.

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

What significance do you attach to that?

I have uncles that I haven't seen in two years and they would have no idea about my life insofar as who I may be dating, visiting or hanging out with.

In my opinion I think he couldn't allow her to bring a boyfriend because it would cause trouble in the sense that others were not invited to bring their latest squeeze. I don't think the uncle was preventing problems from her and a boyfriend so much as a problem with his wife or other family members by allowing her to bring someone when others couldn't. It seems that simple to me, just my opinion.

What significance would you attach to it?

 

[swedie]

I have relative near and far who I haven't seen in years but that doesn't mean we don't keep in touch and don't know what's going on in each others' lives. There are other forms of communication: email, Skype, text, telephone and snail mail. IMO the fact he hadn't seen her in a couple years really means nothing.

Ryan hadn&#8217;t seen his niece for a couple years, but he spoke to her on the phone just weeks before she disappeared.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/10...accused-killer

 

[Sillybilly]

I have uncles that I haven't seen in two years and they would have no idea about my life insofar as who I may be dating, visiting or hanging out with.

In my opinion I think he couldn't allow her to bring a boyfriend because it would cause trouble in the sense that others were not invited to bring their latest squeeze. I don't think the uncle was preventing problems from her and a boyfriend so much as a problem with his wife or other family members by allowing her to bring someone when others couldn't. It seems that simple to me, just my opinion.

What significance would you attach to it?

Given that it was her uncle who called her about his wedding, and that he seemed very much aware that LB was hanging with unsavory peeps, I would say he had more current knowledge about her life back then than we do now, and IMO his reason for not allowing the new guest was more to do with the guest than with other invitees being offended.

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ons_for_police.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

That June, Thomas Ryan called his niece to talk about his upcoming wedding near the end of the month. She told him she wanted to bring a new date, but was upset when Ryan said no.

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...smas-accused-killer+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

He was concerned about the unsavoury crowd Babcock was keeping company with at the time.

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ching-millard-farm/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Q: &#8220;And you had the impression that it was a bad lot that she was hanging out with?&#8221;

Ryan: &#8220;Yes, yes, we thought it was probably a bit of a troublemaker and I didn&#8217;t want any trouble at the wedding of course.&#8221;

 

[Juballee]

In my opinion it is likely that the uncle may have been getting family updates from one of Laura's parents, so I think it is also likely that they would have known who she was dating and who she might have wanted to bring to a wedding. And I believe that her mom didn't mention her dating DM, she said he was a friend of hers, as I recall.

 

[Tamarind]

Given that it was her uncle who called her about his wedding, and that he seemed very much aware that LB was hanging with unsavory peeps, I would say he had more current knowledge about her life back then than we do now, and IMO his reason for not allowing the new guest was more to do with the guest than with other invitees being offended.

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ons_for_police.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...smas-accused-killer+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ching-millard-farm/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Safe to say in my opinion that we have yet to find out who this mysterious photographer is. Maybe the uncle was referring to her association with DA who she had problems with. It was only a few months before if I remember correctly.

Chances are that she had several friends in differing social circles. She seems to have been a social butterfly, so assuming that she likely made friends and such quite easily, it would be possible that this new beau was exactly that... a new beau, my opinion only.

 

[Kamille]

Who is DA and is he also a wealthy pilot?

 

[cansleuther]

Who is DA and is he also a wealthy pilot?

LB dated and lived with DA after she broke up with SL in early 2012 - he is the one that was charged with assaulting her, theft under $5,000, and sexually assaulting her friend. The charges were later dropped (after LB went missing) but no reason has ever been given. Since he is not a suspect or POI in LB's murder, sleuthing him would be in violation of WS's TOS.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[Kamille]

LB dated and lived with DA after she broke up with SL in early 2012 - he is the one that was charged with assaulting her, theft under $5,000, and sexually assaulting her friend. The charges were later dropped (after LB went missing) but no reason has ever been given. Since he is not a suspect or POI in LB's murder, sleuthing him would be in violation of WS's TOS.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

So there is nothing in MSM that indicates that he is a photographer and a wealthy pilot? Do we have any reason to believe that he is/was? So by some odd coincidence, LB may have known or recently met another wealthy pilot who also may have considered himself some kind of photographer?

 

[cansleuther]

For some reason LB's uncle does not mention the "pilot" part in his interview with the Star:

That June, Thomas Ryan called his niece to talk about his upcoming wedding near the end of the month. She told him she wanted to bring a new date, but was upset when Ryan said no.

&#8220;She said he&#8217;d be taking her travelling for a little bit. She was impressed that he was a good photographer and had money and a good-looking fella,&#8221; Ryan said about the new flame he now believes was Millard.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[swedie]

Given that it was her uncle who called her about his wedding, and that he seemed very much aware that LB was hanging with unsavory peeps, I would say he had more current knowledge about her life back then than we do now, and IMO his reason for not allowing the new guest was more to do with the guest than with other invitees being offended.

from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ons_for_police.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...smas-accused-killer+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



from:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ching-millard-farm/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

I'll take Mr. Ryan's and his wife's word on it, both believing this guy LB was wanting to bring to their wedding was DM. Perhaps he and his wife did know who the guy was but he didn't state his name to the reporter fearing some sort of repercussion. Certainly he spoke with LE and told them what he knows and that's what matters the most. MOO.

Ryan: &#8220;The last time I spoke to Laura was two weeks prior to her disappearance and it was in regards to her bringing a gentleman to my wife&#8217;s, my wedding, and my wife and I both think that it was Dellen (Millard) she was talking about, just I believe referring to him as a pilot, photographer and wealthy, and what not so we didn&#8217;t want her to come with a brand new boyfriend to the wedding, just, it didn&#8217;t seem right to me. That&#8217;s it, that&#8217;s all I got.&#8221;

 

[Kamille]

Well he did mention it 9 months earlier to the Sun.

And during that conversation, his niece talked about a new boyfriend, a man Ryan now believes was Millard.

&#8220;My wife and I both think it was Dellen she was talking about because she referred to him being a pilot and a photographer,&#8221; Ryan said. &#8220;She also mentioned he was wealthy.&#8221;

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/10/search-continues-on-farm-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer

And chch Hamilton

http://www.chch.com/toronto-police-still-searching-millard-farm/

 

[Tamarind]

I wasn't saying DA was a photographer although we don't know for sure. I referred to the association with DA, meaning that her association with DA may have alerted her family to a certain group of friends. I don't believe DM was in this particular circle so I guess it leaves the possibility that she had a few circles of friends which could have spawned a photographer. IMO

I still say DM is not a photographer. Many people are considered wealthy even MWJ according to his online presence, but we cant sleuth anyone like this as per TOS. Many people are pilots and if you know one pilot chances are you meet a few more JMO

 

[swedie]

Ryan: &#8220;I can&#8217;t say, it was a while back now that we spoke and really, I was worried about not causing any scene at my wedding and new boyfriends and it was a small intimate wedding so we just didn&#8217;t want to have any extra people if we didn&#8217;t need to.&#8221;

Q: &#8220;And you had the impression that it was a bad lot that she was hanging out with?&#8221;

Ryan: &#8220;Yes, yes, we thought it was probably a bit of a troublemaker and I didn&#8217;t want any trouble at the wedding of course.&#8221;

Sounds to me Mr. Ryan and his wife may have excluded other young relatives from bringing dates such as boyfriends/girlfriends to their wedding and if they allowed LB to bring a new boyfriend, other young relatives might have been perturbed she was allowed to and they weren't. LB has a brother who may have also wanted to bring a date. Likely more than them.

Knowing DM is accused of murdering his niece, you can pretty much surmise why he would suggest DM belonged to a bad lot. JMO.