Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Snoofo]

The end of Carbone's press conference. But many versions out there cut it off before that.

 

[Woodland]

The information that LB had contact with someone after DM could be untrue imo - put out there by Carbone to take the heat off the initial lack of effort by TPS to look for LB.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I would be helpful if you could provide a link with that information. TIA

Here is one.

He also said Ms. Babcock had been in contact with other people since last being in touch with Mr. Millard on July 3, 2012.

The video is also in this thread somewhere if you read back. As well as some conversation about it from the Find Laura Facebook page.

HTH

 

[Woodland]

In this article, there is a discrepancy when the phone records were received by TPS - TPS claims they were received after the arrest of DM, LB's family and SL claim they handed them over months prior (as in soon after LB went missing).



According to Babcock's parents and her ex-boyfriend, some of her phone records were handed over to police months ago. But police said they only recently received them after Millard's arrest.
"It’s my understanding that those records were received by 22 Division on the Sunday after the Millard arrest,"Carbone said.



http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/missing-w...tionship-with-suspect-in-bosma-case-1.1310375

Someone is not as upfront and honest as we would like them to be - hope this helps as well.

 

[skatergirl]

Because it's an attachment SG, I cannot enlarge. With your original open, hold down CTRL and tap on the plus sign and see if enlarging it at your end makes it any bigger and clear to make out. HTH.

I was able to zoom in a little, but it still doesn't make it very clear, but it looks like the first date is Jul 21, and I'm guessing that date is the bill date, so the phone definitely went unused for a period of time after July3rd to the end of her billing cycle IMO.

I also found this link where the reporter is discussing her phone records. From around 1:10-1:35 she brings up the production order for her records, and that there was some form of contact after July 3, but not that there were actual phone calls. And then from 1:55-2:09, she discusses that LE want whoever she had contact with to come forward on their own:scared: If they have proof of her contact with someone else, and she is missing, why would they wait for that to happen???
http://london.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1310377

My final point, why so many calls to DM in the 2 day period we can see on her bill from the screenshot, and who knows who the incoming calls were from, and then all of a sudden...nothing

 

[Juballee]

The information that LB had contact with someone after DM could be untrue imo - put out there by Carbone to take the heat off the initial lack of effort by TPS to look for LB.

I would think TPS would not have to lie, they do keep a record via the officers notes of every conversation you have with them in an official capacity, do they not? Either somewhere there is an officers notebook with a short detailed record of the conversation or not.

But I don't see how lying that he wasn't the last to contact her would help LE, the lie that would help them cover any perceived incompetence in the case would be to say that they never received the phone records until after DM had been arrested. Saying he wasn't the last to contact her makes DM look better, not the LE.

And seeing as how he wasn't the last to contact her, perhaps we should start trying to find out who did contact her last, as in my opinion, that would be a good place to start looking for her. That is, if people really wanted to find her and not just use her to make DM look more guilty.

Personally, if I was SL, I would have called in the media they second I heard DM had been arrested, not so long after that it makes some people wonder if he is just using DM to get media attention on LB's disappearance. While some might find that noble, I personally find the idea repugnant, and to me, that it shows one man who might literally be willing to frame him, in the hopes that it will help find LB. That is an odd, unusual reason to frame someone, that I personally would never would otherwise guess at as a motive to frame someone, but I guess these scenarios exist, people are sometimes framed for reasons we would not have guessed at.

 

[Snoofo]

In this article, there is a discrepancy when the phone records were received by TPS - TPS claims they were received after the arrest of DM, LB's family and SL claim they handed them over months prior (as in soon after LB went missing).



According to Babcock's parents and her ex-boyfriend, some of her phone records were handed over to police months ago. But police said they only recently received them after Millard's arrest.
"It’s my understanding that those records were received by 22 Division on the Sunday after the Millard arrest,"Carbone said.



http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/missing-w...tionship-with-suspect-in-bosma-case-1.1310375

Someone is not as upfront and honest as we would like them to be - hope this helps as well.

Perhaps they were received and lost under the last detective in charge, and then re-requested and received a second time this year when the case was reconsidered?

I do wonder whether SL decided to pursue DM for questioning because he didnt have confidence that LE would? Did SL hand over the phone records himself or was it the parents? Or perhaps did one think the other was taking care of that? If they were handed over assuming (wrongly, in retrospect) that LE would look into the calls, why was SL also investigating? IMO he must have had a feeling the case was blown off from the start.

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[Juballee]

Perhaps they were received and lost under the last detective in charge, and then re-requested and received a second time this year when the case was reconsidered?

I do wonder whether SL decided to pursue DM for questioning because he didnt have confidence that LE would? Did SL hand over the phone records himself or was it the parents? Or perhaps did one think the other was taking care of that? If they were handed over assuming (wrongly, in retrospect) that LE would look into the calls, why was SL also investigating? IMO he must have had a feeling the case was blown off from the start.

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It is possible that there could have been a mix up with the phone records if the person who originally opened the missing person file for LB was not the same person who presented the phone records to LE. If they did not have the original police file number, they might have been filed under a different case file number. Or someone is lying. Did LB's parents hand over the phone records took police or did they hand them over to SL and relied on his word that after showing them to DM he handed them over to LE?

Has anyone brought up the idea that she might have stopped using that phone because she got another one and didn't bother to cancel that one? If she couldn't afford a place to stay or her own iPad, is it possible that she couldn't afford her cell phone anymore and got a cheap pay as you go one to replace it?

 

[Archangel7]

Perhaps they were received and lost under the last detective in charge, and then re-requested and received a second time this year when the case was reconsidered?

I do wonder whether SL decided to pursue DM for questioning because he didnt have confidence that LE would? Did SL hand over the phone records himself or was it the parents? Or perhaps did one think the other was taking care of that? If they were handed over assuming (wrongly, in retrospect) that LE would look into the calls, why was SL also investigating? IMO he must have had a feeling the case was blown off from the start.

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I'm betting TPS "looked" at the records from SL and were somewhat embarrassed when the fact was revealed they "obtained" them way later, and IIRC after DM's arrest? JMO

After Millard had been connected to the Bosma murder investigation, Lerner said the police have started to take the missing person case seriously.

“For eleven months she’s been missing, we couldn’t even get the police to take it seriously. They just wrote her off as a runaway,” Lerner said. “Now finally with this, they finally seem to be doing it right.”

http://www.680news.com/2013/05/18/u...lysis-of-two-locations-in-the-tim-bosma-case/

 

[Woodland]

I would think TPS would not have to lie, they do keep a record via the officers notes of every conversation you have with them in an official capacity, do they not? Either somewhere there is an officers notebook with a short detailed record of the conversation or not.

But I don't see how lying that he wasn't the last to contact her would help LE, the lie that would help them cover any perceived incompetence in the case would be to say that they never received the phone records until after DM had been arrested. Saying he wasn't the last to contact her makes DM look better, not the LE.

And seeing as how he wasn't the last to contact her, perhaps we should start trying to find out who did contact her last, as in my opinion, that would be a good place to start looking for her. That is, if people really wanted to find her and not just use her to make DM look more guilty.

Personally, if I was SL, I would have called in the media they second I heard DM had been arrested, not so long after that it makes some people wonder if he is just using DM to get media attention on LB's disappearance. While some might find that noble, I personally find the idea repugnant, and to me, that it shows one man who might literally be willing to frame him, in the hopes that it will help find LB. That is an odd, unusual reason to frame someone, that I personally would never would otherwise guess at as a motive to frame someone, but I guess these scenarios exist, people are sometimes framed for reasons we would not have guessed at.

BBM - but that's what I said was a possibility.

Chuckles - the official capacity notes notes kept by TPS are causing many a judge in the GTA to let people with serious charges walk out the courtroom door. For some reason perceived lying follows many a TPS officer. Very bad luck for this team, it seems.

TPS is not necessarily saying someone contacted LB after DM - as in by phone, fb etc. The line from Carbone could be interpreted as she had contact with someone after the calls with DM - as in met up with someone or someone claims to have seen her somewhere after that. If that is not true, then could someone or a team of people be doing their best to have others look in a different direction and not at DM. Can't imagine anyone doing that though, it would be weird to have such an organized effort.

 

[Woodland]

It is possible that there could have been a mix up with the phone records if the person who originally opened the missing person file for LB was not the same person who presented the phone records to LE. If they did not have the original police file number, they might have been filed under a different case file number. Or someone is lying. Did LB's parents hand over the phone records took police or did they hand them over to SL and relied on his word that after showing them to DM he handed them over to LE?

Has anyone brought up the idea that she might have stopped using that phone because she got another one and didn't bother to cancel that one? If she couldn't afford a place to stay or her own iPad, is it possible that she couldn't afford her cell phone anymore and got a cheap pay as you go one to replace it?

BBM - that would fall under the category of 'botched'. Or yes, someone is lying.

 

[Sillybilly]

If that is not true, then could someone or a team of people be doing their best to have others look in a different direction and not at DM. Can't imagine anyone doing that though, it would be weird to have such an organized effort.

<rsbm>

A couple of DM's FB pals have LB on their friends list. Have to wonder if she was on their friends list prior to her disappearance or since DM's arrest.

 

[Woodland]

<rsbm>

A couple of DM's FB pals have LB on their friends list. Have to wonder if she was on their friends list prior to her disappearance or since DM's arrest.

That would be one option for an organized effort to look away from DM.

 

[cansleuther]

Have to wonder if she was on their friends list prior to her disappearance or since DM's arrest.

AM commented on one of LB's FB photos in May 2012 so it appears he must have been on her friend's list before she disappeared.

 

[Alethea Dice]

TPS is not necessarily saying someone contacted LB after DM - as in by phone, fb etc. The line from Carbone could be interpreted as she had contact with someone after the calls with DM - as in met up with someone or someone claims to have seen her somewhere after that. If that is not true, then could someone or a team of people be doing their best to have others look in a different direction and not at DM. Can't imagine anyone doing that though, it would be weird to have such an organized effort.

rsbm

I can't imagine anyone doing that either. Although some may think it's a favour for a friend, are they still willing to do that if it means the attention is then turned on them as a more interesting suspect?

Maybe the further contact was through her online escort ad. Or from the quote in your previous link, maybe only "some" of the phone records were handed over to LE previously.

In this article, there is a discrepancy when the phone records were received by TPS - TPS claims they were received after the arrest of DM, LB's family and SL claim they handed them over months prior (as in soon after LB went missing).

According to Babcock's parents and her ex-boyfriend, some of her phone records were handed over to police months ago. But police said they only recently received them after Millard's arrest.
"It’s my understanding that those records were received by 22 Division on the Sunday after the Millard arrest,"Carbone said.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/missing-w...tionship-with-suspect-in-bosma-case-1.1310375

Someone is not as upfront and honest as we would like them to be - hope this helps as well.

JMO

 

[Woodland]

LB's family and SL finding only some (the last) of LB's phone records seems logical imo. That was sufficient at the time to start inquiries.

 

[skatergirl]

Quick post, don't have much time at the moment

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/09/police-team-searches-full-time-for-laura-babcock.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Quick post, don't have much time at the moment

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/09/police-team-searches-full-time-for-laura-babcock.html

I wonder where AB got her info ... there aren't any new MSM articles.

 

[cansleuther]

I wonder where AB got her info ... there aren't any new MSM articles.

AB posted on the "Help Us Find Laura" FB page that she called the Toronto police yesterday and they gave her the info.

 

[Sillybilly]

AB posted on the "Help Us Find Laura" FB page that she called the Toronto police yesterday and they gave her the info.

Thanks cansleuther. That's what it sounded like to me .. that she got the info from the horse's mouth. Absolutely no offence to Det Jennifer Cash

Interesting that AB states the last calls were to DM.