Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.31.17 - Day 7

[deugirtni]

Not seeing the significance of this. The witness is not a suspect, and there is nothing that would indicate her move had anything whatsoever to do with LB.

It seems like any of the witnesses may want to make it exceedingly clear that *they* were not the ones to have last seen her.. but perhaps none of them can really 'prove' it?

 

[Jealoushe]

This Trevors person.. I wonder when the timeline is for when LB stayed there 'for 4 days'.. was it *after* being in the motel that SL had put her up in? He took her there.. when? On June 26th.. for 2 days? so if it was after that, then it would've been June 28th say, that she arrived at Trevors', and then stayed 4 days until July 2nd, but that doesn't make sense since she was later telling her to pick up her dog items before July 2nd when she was moving? So was it before the hotel stay that LB stayed with Trevors?

She could have been staying both places.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

I highly doubt there is any DNA evidence. We know there was very little left that could be identified as TB, I assume there was nothing left of LB. Plus, even in recent articles LBs parents stated that they still held hope that she was alive somewhere. If cops had found remains they certainly would have informed the family.

Do you have a link to these articles? I believe that would have all been before TPS arrested MS and DM for the first degree murder of their daughter.. I still think it's off though - his line of questioning.. I was really pulling for some DNA

 

[Jealoushe]

Either way - I would think that if there was solid DNA evidence he would be taking a different approach with his line of questioning as of late.. Seems like he's trying to prove he wasn't the last to see her.. doesn't add up..

Criminals are dumb...thats all I can think

 

[deugirtni]

Either way - I would think that if there was solid DNA evidence he would be taking a different approach with his line of questioning as of late.. Seems like he's trying to prove he wasn't the last to see her.. doesn't add up..

Doesn't add up because it didn't happen the way he's trying to portray. The thing is... the Crown calls who they want, to the witness stand, and they do not have to call everyone who has any type of 'evidence' to share.. but meanwhile.. the defence gets to see *all* of the disclosure, and so the defence can potentially see if there may be 'evidence' that could potentially swing in their favor.. but if the Crown isn't calling that particular witness, it's up to the defence to call him/her... but in so doing, the defence opens themselves up to all kinds of scrutiny which would otherwise not be allowed, for example, speaking of previous convictions, etc., something DM most certainly wouldn't want to open himself up to in front of the jury. So he's trying to get it in, without having to provide a defence. jmo.

 

[cansleuther]

This Trevors person.. I wonder when the timeline is for when LB stayed there 'for 4 days'.. was it *after* being in the motel that SL had put her up in? He took her there.. when? On June 26th.. for 2 days? so if it was after that, then it would've been June 28th say, that she arrived at Trevors', and then stayed 4 days until July 2nd, but that doesn't make sense since she was later telling her to pick up her dog items before July 2nd when she was moving? So was it before the hotel stay that LB stayed with Trevors?

Trevors said that she drove LB to her parents' house. CB testified that LB dropped Lacey off on June 30, 2012. So LB possibly stayed with Trevors from June 27 to June 30?

Clayton Babcock, the missing woman’s father, was first to testify, saying he hadn’t heard from his daughter since speaking with her briefly on the phone on June 30, 2012. That same day, he said, Laura dropped off her dog, Lacey, and some money, saying she was going on a trip with a man. Nobody has heard from her since.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/laura-babcock-killed-for-role-in-love-triangle-and-burned-in-incinerator-prosecutors-tell-court

 

[Jealoushe]

There is most likely DNA somewhere. Or photo evidence.

 

[deugirtni]

Do you have a link to these articles? I believe that would have all been before TPS arrested MS and DM for the first degree murder of their daughter.. I still think it's off though - his line of questioning.. I was really pulling for some DNA

Keep fingers crossed that there is *something*... we don't know if there may have been LB's blood under the lip of the 'exterminator' just like there was for TB? Or remnants of a mattress being burned in the farm fire pit.. fingerprints?? phone data.. supposed to be still weeks of evidence to come, although it seems like slim pickins right now! jmo

 

[deugirtni]

Trevors said that she drove LB to her parents' house. CB testified that LB dropped Lacey off on June 30, 2012. So LB possibly stayed with Trevors from June 27 to June 30?



http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-burned-in-incinerator-prosecutors-tell-court

Doesn't that overlap with the time she was being put up in the motel by SL though? It wouldn't make sense if she had her own motel room, to go stay with some stranger at same time? And that other witness (today) said he visited her at the motel too.. <confused>

 

[Inspector_North]

Either way - I would think that if there was solid DNA evidence he would be taking a different approach with his line of questioning as of late.. Seems like he's trying to prove he wasn't the last to see her.. doesn't add up..

DM is not the smartest psychopath. If you remember the TB trial, DM claimed to be going into the Cremation Business with his uncle. Where did he expect that to go?

The amount of time LE spent on the farm, I'm confident they found DNA. DM even walked around with DNA evidence in his back pocket the day he was arrested.

 

[Jealoushe]

Doesn't that overlap with the time she was being put up in the motel by SL though? It wouldn't make sense if she had her own motel room, to go stay with some stranger at same time? And that other witness (today) said he visited her at the motel too.. <confused>

Remember she was an escort. The hotel could have been for work, she might not have told him that. Then she stayed at the other girls place to be safe. She easily could have been maintaining both. Maybe the hotel didnt have wifi and she needed internet. Anything is possible.

 

[andreww]

Do you have a link to these articles? I believe that would have all been before TPS arrested MS and DM for the first degree murder of their daughter.. I still think it's off though - his line of questioning.. I was really pulling for some DNA

Sorry I don't have a link. I linked to it from one of the previous threads. And it was long after Millards arrest, the point being they were still holding out hope despite the circumstantial evidence that she was gone. I suspect any parent would feel the same, but nonetheless, they obviously hadn't been told that any remains had been found.

 

[deugirtni]

I highly doubt there is any DNA evidence. We know there was very little left that could be identified as TB, I assume there was nothing left of LB. Plus, even in recent articles LBs parents stated that they still held hope that she was alive somewhere. If cops had found remains they certainly would have informed the family.

I wonder if the 'homemade' incinerator was still around and taken in for forensic examination? Or was it long gone before police became involved? There may not have been DNA evidence as far as the incineration aspect.... but.... the Crown is stating that LB was killed at Maplegate.. so there may be some DNA evidence there? And... just because they find DNA doesn't mean it is enough of something to present to the family as 'remains' for burial, or whatever? May just be blood.. prints.. etc. LE likely didn't find 'remains', but enough evidence to create a viable story which the courts were willing to put through without benefit of a preliminary hearing.. there's gotta be something there. The poor family has been left in the dark because LE aren't at liberty to give their case away, even to them. jmo. Anyway, I'm keeping fingers crossed!

 

[matou]

Court is back in session

 

[deugirtni]

This was just my *own* impression at the TB trial, but it struck me that DM had fully expected to get off on 1st degree murder charge because there were discrepancies, things not 100% corroborated, etc... to me, it was like he wasn't considering the fact that his fate was completely in the jury's hands, and that it wasn't a requirement for there to be no discrepancies, etc. Raise enough 'reasonable doubt', and he expected to get off... but he failed to factor in all of the circumstantial evidence, and perception, and experience, and intelligence, etc. He's prob doing same here, thinking if he dwells on the little red suitcase, and a guy who felt uncomfortable telling police he may have been last *known* to see LB (even though she dropped off her dog later than that???), etc., he'll raise enough doubt to set him free of this charge. Kind of like how he doesn't 'get it', how he did himself a big disservice in how he questioned witnesses who loved LB.. that stuff all goes right past him. jmo.

 

[andreww]

Do you have a link to these articles? I believe that would have all been before TPS arrested MS and DM for the first degree murder of their daughter.. I still think it's off though - his line of questioning.. I was really pulling for some DNA

Sorry I don't have a link. I linked to it from one of the previous threads. And it was long after Millards arrest, the point being they were still holding out hope despite the circumstantial evidence that she was gone. I suspect any parent would feel the same, but nonetheless, they obviously hadn't been told that any remains had been found.

 

[matou]

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 13m13 minutes ago
The Crown has called its next witness, I missed his first name, but I believe he's Andrew Blaziuk.

He was friends with Laura Babcock.

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago
Witness says the last time he saw Babcock was July 1. She stayed with him. "She was going from hotel to hotel, couch to couch."


Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago
The Crown goes through questions court has heard now many times with other friends. Did Babcock talk about suicide?
This friend says no.

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 4m4 minutes ago
Did she talk about her work as an escort?
Yes she did.
Did she have a dog? How did she feel about her dog?
Yes, "oh she loved that dog."

 

[matou]

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago
I'm going to stick calling this man a friend for now until I can confirm the spelling of his name.

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago
He says he met Dellen Millard at Babcock's birthday in Feb. 2011. He says Babcock spoke highly of Millard.

Shannon Martin&#8207; @ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago
"He was wealthy and good looking, she liked him," he tells the jury.

 

[matou]

OK snooper take over please! lol

 

[Claroon]

Not seeing the significance of this. The witness is not a suspect, and there is nothing that would indicate her move had anything whatsoever to do with LB.

Not implying this witness is involved in any way. The coincidence of the date just intrigued me in the timeline.

Also, this witness did say she felt uncomfortable twice--once when a shaggy looking guy was intimidating LB to get into his care, and another time in the restaurant regarding the baking soda. That might be enough sketch to make her want to move.