Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.02.17 - Day 9

[Claroon]

Keep thinking about CN's nickname "Kinks,"recalling a Facebook connection to SS that was into bondage crap (someone found photoso personally before his FB was taken down), wondering about J & LB possible girl-on-girl service, thinking about MS's Dexter video and can't imagine things were just wham, bam, she's dead and out of our life. (SPECULATING)

 

[Night_is_Mine]

It did in the TB trial..

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Way way more in TB trial. Plus actual human bones, blood, teeth erc..nvm the actual admission by MS of one of them killing him
Not even close

 

[deugirtni]

To be honest so far no real evidence.

The rap? Means nothing. Just some punk trying to be cool.
The cell pings? And? They hung out and she left.
Mark's ipad? Sold it to him for 100 bucks.
No more cell activity? Got a new one

Let's see some real evidence. Not sure if all this circumstantial evidence will cut it.

Remember that you can't take a point out individually, it has to be the whole picture, evaluated together.. the most incriminating thing seems to be DM's text to CN saying he was going to hurt LB and make her go away - and then having cell records showing she was in close proximity to him after she stopped communicating on her phone, her last 8 outgoing calls were to him, and texting re the dirty-girl gun deal being the same month as we've heard CN was upset at what LB had told her.. that's a bit of circumstantial right there (and don't forget the need for an immediate new mattress delivery?).. not sure what all they have on MS, except for the rhyming rap, and a scary tale told to some 14 year olds, which may or may not have been an embellishment. It will sure be disappointing though, if they really don't have ANY DNA evidence that LB was at the farm. jmo

 

[huntergerrard]

I have trouble thinking they were at Maplegate for the murder. Didn't he have roommates and also his dad living there?

I'd like to know where the Dexter type video was made? DM had been looking for a location for MS's music career. Could they have rented an industrial building?
(speculation)

I agree. Wouldn't someone hear the gunshot shot? If he smothered her during sex that's one thing, but to shoot her...I don't know. Then again, that's where WM was shot.
DM had so many properties available to him it's hard to say.

 

[canadiangirl]

Way way more in TB trial. Plus actual human bones, blood, teeth erc..nvm the actual admission by MS of one of them killing him
Not even close

They have barely started... Patience my friend lol

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[Night_is_Mine]

I agree. Wouldn't someone hear the gunshot shot? If he smothered her during sex that's one thing, but to shoot her...I don't know. Then again, that's where WM was shot.
DM had so many properties available to him it's hard to say.

Keep in mind I don't recall the crown or anyone saying she was shot. Ppl just put the gun purchase and her death together. Possibly mistakenly.

 

[deugirtni]

I know Shannon Martin hasn't been too thorough with her tweets in the trial but today would have been so info and detail heavy that I can't blame her for not being able to tweet most of it. I remember back in the TB trial, on the day the similar kind of data heavy phone ping info was being talked about in court, a few reporters basically flat out said this is very detail-oriented data and it would be impossible to try get most of it tweeted out accurately.

It sounds like stacks of papers were given to each juror today so can you imagine trying to tweet that much out and keep it accurate at the same time?

I found this part disturbing:

"Crown attorney Ken Lockhart, who led Thursday's questioning, didn't present any context for jury members as Rubelo listed the data."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/laura-babcock-murder-trial-day-nine-1.4383035

 

[deugirtni]

They have barely started... Patience my friend lol

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Hope so!

 

[canadiangirl]

Hope so!

Me too! Staying optimistic here

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[deugirtni]

I agree. Wouldn't someone hear the gunshot shot? If he smothered her during sex that's one thing, but to shoot her...I don't know. Then again, that's where WM was shot.
DM had so many properties available to him it's hard to say.

With the event surrounding Canada Day activities, I'm thinking a shot could be mistaken for fireworks.. especially if they may have also set some fireworks off on the same evening. (Is it possible they may have had a silencer?)

 

[deugirtni]

Way way more in TB trial. Plus actual human bones, blood, teeth erc..nvm the actual admission by MS of one of them killing him
Not even close

I wonder how the TB trial would have turned out, had MS NOT chosen to go on the stand?

 

[Night_is_Mine]

I wonder how the TB trial would have turned out, had MS NOT chosen to go on the stand?

Same. Too much evidence way too much but if there was a 0.000001% chance it was gone as soon as MS officially admitted they did kill him

 

[deugirtni]

I think Lake Ontario is more likely, however, the Grand River runs fairly close to both the farm and the hangar, I believe.

It was said that LB's phone went silent while her and DM's phones were travelling along the Lakeshore.. so I guess it would've been simple enough to have stopped and pitched it?

"But during opening statements on Oct. 23, Crown Jill Cameron outlined their case, alleging sometime after 7:00 p.m. July 3, Millard and Smich killed Babcock.

Rubelo said records show the following morning, July 4, Babcock's phone continued to receive incoming calls and text messages and later, cell towers connected with both her phone and Millard's phones as they moved west from Millard's home, along the Lakeshore.

Somewhere near Mississauga, Babcock's phone stopped making connections with cell towers."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/laura-babcock-murder-trial-day-nine-1.4383035

 

[Jealoushe]

Here's the thing, they are both already serving sentences. They would not bring forth this trial if they did not feel %100 they would get a conviction. There is no need to other than justice for Laura. They are only going to spend the taxpayers money and court time if they know they have the conviction. In the court system this counts for a lot. I am betting they have some solid undeniable evidence that's a Laura died at the hands of DM and MS.

 

[Night_is_Mine]

The thing is we think this is a sure thing conviction because we know what they're capable of from the TB trial. But put yourself in the jury's shoes and imagine you know NOTHING about DM and MS. You wouldn't be so quick to label them guilty of M1 just yet.

 

[Oreck]

I respectfully disagree. it is a 10 week trial, we are still only in week 2.

Crown have only just set the stage with the initial witnesses, around the victim's life leading up to her murder.
Lots of evidence still to come... There was Terabytes of forensic data collected and sorted. LB phone records, digital forensics from DM, MS phone, IPAD, mulitple computers at Maplegate.
AM, SS and other DM-MS buddies, more on the incinerator, forensics evidence from Roseville Rd farm, and there is a tie-in to CN re: date of arrests- perhaps the camera system from the hangar found in her closet... this was a direct indictment, so IMO there will be more than circumstantial evidence of DM and MS involvement.

Is there a lawyer or knowledgeable person in our group that could tell me?
Can this trial accept sworn evidence from the TB trial?
Can they call a witness from that trial?
If he gives conflicting testimony can they bring up the other trial?

How can they pretend it never happened?
I would have a hard time sitting on a jury, deciding someone's fate, and pretending.

 

[deugirtni]

Same. Too much evidence way too much but if there was a 0.000001% chance it was gone as soon as MS officially admitted they did kill him

Agreed. I think he did himself a grave disservice by alleviating that little tidbit of a doubt. Some would say there *was* no doubt in the first place, but that just iced the cake, so to speak.

 

[Night_is_Mine]

Here's the thing, they are both already serving sentences. They would not bring forth this trial if they did not feel %100 they would get a conviction. There is no need to other than justice for Laura. They are only going to spend the taxpayers money and court time if they know they have the conviction. In the court system this counts for a lot. I am betting they have some solid undeniable evidence that's a Laura died at the hands of DM and MS.

Minimum 25 doesn't mean life. They could be out around 50-55

 

[Claroon]

Is there a lawyer or knowledgeable person in our group that could tell me?
Can this trial accept sworn evidence from the TB trial?
Can they call a witness from that trial?
If he gives conflicting testimony can they bring up the other trial?

How can they pretend it never happened?
I would have a hard time sitting on a jury, deciding someone's fate, and pretending.

A WSer posted that if the TB trial is referred to this one becomes a mistrial.

 

[huntergerrard]

Would the Ipad not have most likely been password protected? Hate to think of what they put her through before the murder.

Would restoring factory settings wipe out old passwords? Then again it was stated that the name was "changed", that doesn't sound like restoring to factory settings IMO.