Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.14.17 - Day 15

[Jealoushe]

I think they introduced where they found the barrels, because they might have found evidence associated with them? So again they show how they found them, then they bring the expert in.

 

[porkchopp]

By that time, it may not be an issue. MOO

I 2nd that. These two have far too much evidence against them. Thankfully, as smart as they thought they were-they sure werent. Some OC ppl may be looking at these guys shaking their head. Thankful they never dealt with the pair. -or did they? (Duhn duhhn duhhhnnnn) LOL

 

[Inspector_North]

I recall reading somewhere that surplus barrels of some kind of fuel from the hangars was sent to be stored at the farm, IIRC it was actually Wayne did this. I connected it with the barrels removed by police.

When it was mentioned that the two barrels fit together to make one long 8 foot long container, I only thought about one purpose. i.e. the smell test. moo

 

[Satchie]

If it was in the states it would have only taken a few days, Bada Bing Bada Boom.

Why do Canadian trials take so long?

Apparently, no simple answer. Since there's no deadline on a trial, why rush, both sides prefer to have lots of time to get things right. And once the backlog developed, there's been no incentive to clear it. A controversial attempt to impose a deadline may require overhauling the system, but it's not a big priority in the public's mind. Reduce waiting times for medical procedures, yes; reduce waiting times for trials, who cares. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ys-out-of-step-with-reality-senators-say.html

 

[JuneBug67]

Millard breaks up with Christina on June 9 because she was text flirting with another guy. The switch to a focus to a commercial incinerator occurs after that - a significant ramping up from a rocket ship of old barrels. If the motive for purchasing the incinerator is a love triangle, why does the plan accelerate after the break up? Laura isn't even the cause of the breakup, ostensibly or otherwise. There's a lot that doesn't quite make sense in the Crown theory - as was the case in the TB trial.

 

[Inspector_North]

I 2nd that. These two have far too much evidence against them. Thankfully, as smart as they thought they were-they sure werent. Some OC ppl may be looking at these guys shaking their head. Thankful they never dealt with the pair. -or did they? (Duhn duhhn duhhhnnnn) LOL

Iisho is sure having plenty of down time to think about doing business these two. moo

 

[paris_paris]

Whose burgundy Cadillac is that with Marlena in Mob Reporter part 11? Didn't Isho have a caddy he wanted to sell or is that Michalski's?

There is a picture on the intranets of Andrew in the driver's seat. But I think the Cadillac was promised to MS after the TB murder.

 

[JuneBug67]

Apparently, no simple answer. Since there's no deadline on a trial, why rush, both sides prefer to have lots of time to get things right. And once the backlog developed, there's been no incentive to clear it. A controversial attempt to impose a deadline may require overhauling the system, but it's not a big priority in the public's mind. Reduce waiting times for medical procedures, yes; reduce waiting times for trials, who cares. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ys-out-of-step-with-reality-senators-say.html

There is a deadline of 30 months. We've had murder charges thrown out in recent history because the Crown failed to bring the accused to trial within the time limit.

 

[Alban]

There is a picture on the intranets of Andrew in the driver's seat. But I think the Cadillac was promised to MS after the TB murder.

I believe in the TB trial, it was said that the caddy was previously owned by DM's late grandfather Carl Millard.

 

[bakingirl]

If DM is found guilty of M1 at this trial, would the guilty verdict be evidence in the Wayne Millard trial? I think so, because it would be a similar fact, but does the Crown have to climb a hurdle to use it?

 

[Jealoushe]

. The switch to a focus to a commercial incinerator occurs after that - a significant ramping up from a rocket ship of old barrels. .

Sorry but I had to laugh at that

There is a deadline of 30 months. We've had murder charges thrown out in recent history because the Crown failed to bring the accused to trial within the time limit.

Yes, and the accused can push back his court date over and over and over. They go to court, he says I haven't had ample time with a lawyer, they push back the plea date, rinse repeat. For months until the judge says - its been 6 or 8 months we have to love forward.

 

[Fionn]

Millard breaks up with Christina on June 9 because she was text flirting with another guy. The switch to a focus to a commercial incinerator occurs after that - a significant ramping up from a rocket ship of old barrels. If the motive for purchasing the incinerator is a love triangle, why does the plan accelerate after the break up? Laura isn't even the cause of the breakup, ostensibly or otherwise. There's a lot that doesn't quite make sense in the Crown theory - as was the case in the TB trial.

I struggle with the theory put forward by the Crown as well. It doesn’t appear that he cared enough about any of these women to engage in an act as extreme as murder. I also agree that Laura didn’t appear to have any involvement in the “breakup” of DM and CN. The killing of Laura Babcock would have had to serve him in some way. I am drawn to the “note to self” which I can’t remember verbatim but was something along the lines of trying to make a deal with Laura and see what she would settle for. (MOO) I am sure someone in this group has better recall than I do.


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[Satchie]

There is a deadline of 30 months. We've had murder charges thrown out in recent history because the Crown failed to bring the accused to trial within the time limit.

Really? Cause I count 42 months between DM and MS being charged with murder of LB in April 2014, and the start of the trial.

 

[JuneBug67]

Really? Cause I count 42 months between DM and MS being charged with murder of LB in April 2014, and the start of the trial.

MS' lawyer tried to get the charges thrown out for the 30 month limit, but it was ruled that the delays were reasonable for reasonable reasons I can't quite recall. DM has caused all his own delays with this trial, so he doesn't get to benefit from that.

http://www.chch.com/convicted-killer-mark-smich-wants-murder-charge-stayed/

 

[Satchie]

Millard breaks up with Christina on June 9 because she was text flirting with another guy. The switch to a focus to a commercial incinerator occurs after that - a significant ramping up from a rocket ship of old barrels. If the motive for purchasing the incinerator is a love triangle, why does the plan accelerate after the break up? Laura isn't even the cause of the breakup, ostensibly or otherwise. There's a lot that doesn't quite make sense in the Crown theory - as was the case in the TB trial.

I came across this article while musing on the topic of motive recently. Adam Carter sat through the whole Bosma trial and couldn't really fathom a motive, except that DM was bored with everything else he'd tried and this was a new way of getting his adrenaline rush.

Sometimes, people want to start a fire just to see what it will burn.

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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/hamilton/news/why-did-tim-bosma-die-1.3635024

 

[Fionn]

I came across this article while musing on the topic of motive recently. Adam Carter sat through the whole Bosma trial and couldn't really fathom a motive, except that DM was bored with everything else he'd tried and this was a new way of getting his adrenaline rush.

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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/hamilton/news/why-did-tim-bosma-die-1.3635024

I agree. It served a purpose/need for DM but beyond that I don’t believe we will ever know the true motivation for any of this.

 

[ABro]

I struggle with the theory put forward by the Crown as well. It doesn’t appear that he cared enough about any of these women to engage in an act as extreme as murder. I also agree that Laura didn’t appear to have any involvement in the “breakup” of DM and CN. The killing of Laura Babcock would have had to serve him in some way. I am drawn to the “note to self” which I can’t remember verbatim but was something along the lines of trying to make a deal with Laura and see what she would settle for. (MOO) I am sure someone in this group has better recall than I do.


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When has the Crown ever suggested that was the motive?

 

[mimimic]

The best article ever! wow!

I came across this article while musing on the topic of motive recently. Adam Carter sat through the whole Bosma trial and couldn't really fathom a motive, except that DM was bored with everything else he'd tried and this was a new way of getting his adrenaline rush.

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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/hamilton/news/why-did-tim-bosma-die-1.3635024

 

[XFP]

I struggle with the theory put forward by the Crown as well. It doesn’t appear that he cared enough about any of these women to engage in an act as extreme as murder. I also agree that Laura didn’t appear to have any involvement in the “breakup” of DM and CN. The killing of Laura Babcock would have had to serve him in some way. I am drawn to the “note to self” which I can’t remember verbatim but was something along the lines of trying to make a deal with Laura and see what she would settle for. (MOO) I am sure someone in this group has better recall than I do.


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Are you referring to the January 2012 calendar reference: "Make a deal w/Laura, what does she want from me, what does she have to offer?"

 

[don_quixote]

I agree. It served a purpose/need for DM but beyond that I don’t believe we will ever know the true motivation for any of this.

Crown presents the triangle as one of the motives. And it's important to demonstrate that there was a motive in the crime. For example, a one-legged man that has only the left leg could argue that there is no point for him in stealing a right shoe, as he can't use it and the market value is negligible.

At the same time, motives can be less trivial. Would anybody argue that Russel Williams stole panties for personal use (imagine those under his uniform)?

Here is an excerpt from Bundy's wiki page. I find this relevant. Notice theft and the thrill of possession, as well as progression in his criminal behaviour. Does this ring the bell?
Shortly after the conclusion of the Leach trial and the beginning of the long appeals process that followed, Bundy initiated a series of interviews with Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth. Speaking mostly in third person to avoid "the stigma of confession", he began for the first time to divulge details of his crimes and thought processes.[SUP][231][/SUP]

He recounted his career as a thief, confirming Kloepfer's long-time suspicion that he had shoplifted virtually everything of substance that he owned.[SUP][232][/SUP] "The big payoff for me," he said, "was actually possessing whatever it was I had stolen. I really enjoyed having something ... that I had wanted and gone out and taken." Possession proved to be an important motive for rape and murder as well.[SUP][233][/SUP] Sexual assault, he said, fulfilled his need to "totally possess" his victims.[SUP][234][/SUP] At first, he killed his victims "as a matter of expediency ... to eliminate the possibility of [being] caught"; but later, murder became part of the "adventure". "The ultimate possession was, in fact, the taking of the life", he said. "And then ... the physical possession of the remains."[SUP][235][/SUP]

Bundy also confided in Special Agent William Hagmaier of the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit. Hagmaier was struck by the "deep, almost mystical satisfaction" that Bundy took in murder. "He said that after a while, murder is not just a crime of lust or violence", Hagmaier related. "It becomes possession. They are part of you ... [the victim] becomes a part of you, and you [two] are forever one ... and the grounds where you kill them or leave them become sacred to you, and you will always be drawn back to them." Bundy told Hagmaier that he considered himself to be an "amateur", an "impulsive" killer in his early years, before moving into what he termed his "prime" or "predator" phase at about the time of Lynda Healy's murder in 1974. This implied that he began killing well before 1974—though he never explicitly admitted doing so.[SUP][236][/SUP]