LE serves search warrant on family's home

[Mountain_Kat]

Does anyone have a link to the presser when SY talks about them searching the home? IIRC, he said it was with the parents' permission and something about (paraphrasing) well, since they're letting us be here, we're gonna stay here or something vaguely like that. Plus, there was vid. of some of the searchers wearing the protective gear.

It just seem to me that they already did a pretty thorough search, so I wonder why the warrant now??

My guess is that they are now looking for something specific.

We saw LE take something out of the woods today in a paper bag (well, I didn't, but others did). Shortly after that, detectives left the search area, and then reappeared at the Irwin home. They were in the backyard behind the garage...seems like someone said with dogs, but I'm not sure about that because I lost my feed and never saw it.

So...did they find something in the woods that they needed to connect to something at the house? :waitasec:

 

[Angleena]

Not sure how it works without a warrant but I believe you have to sign off on items taken with a warrant or at least LE have to provide you with an inventory sheet of what they've taken. Perhaps it's the same without a warrant when you are giving permission and if you're signing off on items then I would think they'd be admissable?

MOO

There are a lot of factors that play into it. A lot depends on the judge and how good of a defense attorney you have. There is an argument to be had.

During the initial searches of the home, it was considered a crime scene. Whenever something is considered a crime scene, police take temporary ownership of the home (in the case of a fire, fire department takes temporary ownership of the home) and they have the right to search and remove anything to help in the investigation. They retain ownership until the property has been cleared and released back to the owner.

In this case, the home was cleared by LE (which allowed media into the home). Anything taken as evidence between the time the media was in the home and prior to this new warrant, could be suppressed in a court of law.

 

[mysteriew]

LE was set up outside of where they found little Caylee for a couple of days.

Caylee was in pieces and was spread out over the area. That took a long time, just trying to find all the little pieces.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not 100% sure on how pings work from cells.. but very recently I was nervous when my 18yr old daughter did not return home from work and was not answer her phone (which she ALWAYS has on her).. no one had heard from her including her boyfriend she is constantly in contact with. I called the police and within an hour of filing the report they pinged her cell phone and told me the cross streets in the next town over where it was pinging from.. They had it down to the nearest intersection.. so I think they can get that info pretty quickly and nail it down to the general area.

I think if they had pings coming from anywhere near the house this warrant would have been out a lot sooner.

It'll sure be interesting to hear (if they even release) what they are removing from the house tomorrow. I think they got the warrant because they plan to do some damage to the house while they are looking (rip up floor, walls etc). Lets just hope they don't frigging bulldoze the house when they are done (scuse the sarcasm).

But they searched a house before with permission. But probably were not allowed to do damage to the house like you said.

 

[curiositycat]

Oh no...read this from this 2007 missing baby case and later a murder case in Ft. Bragg where Deborah used to live.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1951731/

This baby was the same age. The mom was the same age. The mom tried to make it appear that someone had come into the house through a window.

“the window in the baby's room was open, and the screen had been removed.”

This is a great find, Pensfan! I read the whole thing and it's like a blueprint for what has happened here.

I hope LE knows about this. Have you thought about calling the tip line with this? If she was at Ft. Bragg at this time, this might be where she got the idea.

The baby was the same age as Lisa, a baby girl 11 months.

I think this is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence! If that makes any sense.

Either way, GREAT SLEUTHING!!!!

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder what time it was served; I just read some info that said they must be served during daylight hours, unless it is urgent or extreme circusmtances and can't wait.

 

[gwenabob]

If Lisa had been in the home all this time, LE would most likely be able to tell by now. Decomp would be well along and is quite pervasive and distinctive an odor. Unless she was in the freezer of course.

What if she were sealed in plastic really thoroughly and placed in a box in the attic crawlspace? Wouldn't that hold off the odor (at least to the human nose) for a little while? We often hear of people finding mummified babies that are quite old and nobody ever suspected anything.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out she was placed in a suitcase or rubbermaid container and hidden somewhere within the house or outbuilding.

 

[jjenny]

I also believe DB said she did follow missing children cases.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I also believe DB said she did follow missing children cases.

So have I .

 

[jjenny]

So have I .

But our children aren't missing.

 

[mysteriew]

What if she were sealed in plastic really thoroughly and placed in a box in the attic crawlspace? Wouldn't that hold off the odor (at least to the human nose) for a little while? We often hear of people finding mummified babies that are quite old and nobody ever suspected anything.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out she was placed in a suitcase or rubbermaid container and hidden somewhere within the house or outbuilding.

Yeah that is possible.

 

[LietKynes]

Since LE is doing a search on the home.....

" Sorry... Graphic"

Hopefully they will look into the septic tank. I was reminded of a case a while back; and I can try to find the link if possible; of a case where a young mom going through a divorce was killed and placed in a septic tank. The last pic's of her were taken on a bank (?) security camera as she was finishing up her cleaning job at night. Another young man in the area was a witness to the mom screaming when the father-in-law, husband, and mother-in-law forced her into a car after she was done working.
The witness tried to confront the perps but without a weapon was scared off by the young womans' relatives.
The mother-in-law confessed that they'd killed her b/c the mom was leaving the young husband and taking the kids---or maybe she'd already left , and this was payback.
Anyway, on the newsclip, an LE person (sheriff ?) said that if the MIL hadn't said where they had put the body---it probably never would've been found.
Not sure that was wise for him to say, as it could've given some low-lifes' an idea.
I will try to find an article on that lady and post a link.

 

[Paige SC]

What was the motive for murder regarding the baby in the attic?

 

[frankie069]

But they searched a house before with permission. But probably were not allowed to do damage to the house like you said.

Searching a house for a kidnapped baby and looking at things is different then searching a home where a possible murder happened. That is the direction I am sure that LE is moving towards. When they first went into that house they looked around, remember it was a missing baby, then they came back and looked at the window a possible intruder came in. I am sure they didnt search the house at all. The looked around.. This time they can search. No one said they have to damage the home, not all searches include damage or cause damage. IE: the are there just for the computer and financial records, that would cause no damage. If they are there to search inside of walls, then you have damage. I am sure they will bring equipment with them that can even see inside the walls without tearing them apart to search. This search can about about anything and for anything. We are going to have to wait till tomorrow when they proceed.

 

[jjenny]

What was the motive for murder regarding the baby in the attic?

I believe it was neglect.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

More about that earlier case:

A Spring Lake woman pleaded guilty Monday to second-degree murder in the death of her 11-month-old daughter, whose skeletal remains were discovered stuffed in a diaper box in the attic of the family home, according to the Harnett County district attorney.

Johni Michelle Heuser, 28, was sentenced to between 11 and 15 years in prison after pleading guilty to murdering Harmony Jade Creech in 2007.

Though the cause of the child’s death remains undetermined, prosecutors contended there was evidence of starvation.

Heuser had been charged with first-degree murder, but in entering the plea Monday, she removed the possibility of the death penalty.

Prosecutors say Heuser killed the girl between Aug. 31, 2007, and Sept. 30, 2007, but no one found out about it until Oct. 19, 2007, when a Harnett County Sheriff’s Office deputy was called to the 1600 block of Ray Road in Spring Lake to a report of a missing child, District Attorney Susan Doyle said in a statement.

Heuser told the deputy that she had last seen the child the night before and that she discovered the child was missing from her crib about 11 a.m. A window had been opened and a screen removed, she told the officer.

Deputies, joined by the FBI, began searching for the child and eventually found the remains in a diaper box in the attic, Doyle said.

After being confronted by the remains, Heuser told investigators she had found the child looking white and not breathing in her crib one morning around the end of August or beginning of September, she said. Heuser claimed she had wanted to call police but was afraid she would be blamed for the child’s death and that her other children would be taken, she said.

http://pysih.com/2010/12/07/update-johni-michelle-heuser-2/

 

[gwenabob]

Oh lordie....and the moms are the same age. Same emotional IQ?

Isn't that interesting? She "found" the baby dead, panicked, hid the baby, and set the scene to appear like a kidnapping....hmmm. Familiar. Very familiar.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

What was the motive for murder regarding the baby in the attic?

"Adult time"...in that case, adult time was xbox. :furious:

 

[Hope4More]

Pensfan: You have got to read about this. There are many coincidences.

IMO, the coincidences are odd, but.... still just coincidences.

 

[Pensfan]

This is a great find, Pensfan! I read the whole thing and it's like a blueprint for what has happened here.

I hope LE knows about this. Have you thought about calling the tip line with this? If she was at Ft. Bragg at this time, this might be where she got the idea.

The baby was the same age as Lisa, a baby girl 11 months.

I think this is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence! If that makes any sense.

Either way, GREAT SLEUTHING!!!!

That's not all of the coincidences. Her husband was the one who had to call 911 because he had just returned home from "his job". The window was open when the husband arrived home and the screen was removed.