LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[not_my_kids]

This may have been said already...but Dad seems to be under a spell from DB when he is next to her,,ie she controls him.
If he is truly that weak, has LE separated them and grilled him? I would think he would crumble like a cookie under pressure.

I'm sure they've been questioned seperately. That's SOP in a missing child case. The press release from the family said that they have spent their time with LE both together and seperately, but I'm not putting much stock in that piece of paper. JMO.

 

[Codger]

Respectfully, I haven't seen LE attempting to try DB in the media. LE has been pretty closed mouth. I believe if we go back and check the videos and interviews we will find that most statements have been made by DB not LE. Many times when LE was asked about something DB stated, LE said they could not comment on that. IE: Lie Detector Test.

LE didn't want to release all the info from the search warrant but was made to do so (freedom of information). They weren't trying to convict her in the media.

I think LE is trying to keep everything quiet in order to find out what has happened to Lisa. I don't think they are trying to skew public opinion. I think they are trying to find Lisa and if the family refuses to help its on the family not on LE.

LE hasn't been lying to the public................
MOO

BBM
Excellent post ITA! It's MOO that LE would prefer nothing be released to the public + they've done a bang up job in that aspect. They requested this information be sealed. They've said nada to the media. It's not them I see trying to skew public opinion. It's obvious to me another camp is all over that aspect. I agree they're trying to find Lisa + preserve the integrity of all evidence while doing so, in a grand effort that justice may be served for an innocent baby when all is said + done.

To all those in LE who've worked endlessly + will continue to do so for Lisa. :martini: :toastred: :martini:

 

[Wishbone]

Yeah no fence sitting here for me after the 3rd day! Maybe sooner!:floorlaugh:

OOPS....Another version out thanks to the People Mag interview.....

Meanwhile, People magazine has published an article in which they reveal the details of an interview they conducted with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley. (I guess we are to assume this is before Joe Tacopina put the brakes on any further interviews with media.) In the article, the parents of Lisa Irwin continue to flesh out Version 4.0.4. Here’s the timeline and details revealed in the full hardcopy article:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/22/lisa-irwin-case-search-warrant-and-people-details/#more-8239

 

[elepher50]

MOO is that LE "brushed off" the tip about the man spotted with the baby that night and I for one am glad that this is being looked at with some semblance of sincerity. Imo when a baby is missing all things of a suspicious nature need to be looked into to ensure all aspects are being checked thoroughly.

eleph

 

[Sigh Sister]

There were two witnesses. One was on a motorcycle and he said he would be able to identify him but he was riding by on a bike and it was dark so is he sure of that? It could have been someone else, not JL.

I didn't think he would show up at a police station and turn himself in........

I'm sure you didn't think that. Sorry if it sounded snarky. I was trying to point out that just because they haven't found this man doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

 

[Seaturtle]

And while I'm being outspoken tonight (and because it's the night shift and somebody's gotta do it), who in their right mind sells babies today?

Sure, I bet it happens. But, what are the odd's of someone "selling a kid" which I've seen mentioned here in several threads? Who's gonna buy a kid knowing the parents will be reporting the child kidnapped the next morning and an AMBER Alert will be issued, and the child's picture and description will be all over TV the next day?

I.M.O...
Selling a child in this particular case makes NO sense to me.

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I'm just catching up this morning and am bumping this because it is something that I keep coming back to as well. Every time I try to hypothesize this, I come to the same conclusion. I get stuck trying to put myself in any perp's shoes (stranger, acquaintance, parent).

1) Stranger: I'm a really bad person who knows a lot of other really bad people and all of the circumstances are favorable for me to be able to sell a baby. All I need is a bunch of random coincidences like knowing where a baby is, having an irresponsible, drunk mom, hard of hearing dog, heavy sleeping kids, dad on the night shift, doors unlocked, etc. I'll just wander in and wander back out with a quiet child (who at nearly 11 months old can probably crawl, stand up, yell pretty loud, say a few words) will know that I'm a stranger but surely wont mind me carrying her around even with a bunch of cell phones in my pocket. All this magically and mysteriously happens and then? See indepmo's comments above!

2) Acquaintance: I might be a bad person with similar nefarious contacts to be able to sell a baby (like the stranger). I'm just waiting for the right opportunity. I don't have to be as lucky as the stranger because I happen to know a really irresponsible mom and sooner or later I'll get my chance. When chance comes - all stars align so that the random coincidences above present a known opportunity, I kidnap the baby and get all baby-selling contacts in place to take care of transaction then? See indepmo's comments above AND wait for LE to interview me because I know the family and I might be on the list of 20 or so people they know who could have done this. (and hope my nefarious baby-selling contacts trust me not to rat them out)

3) Parents: Hmm - I think I'll sell my baby. Look on Craigslist. Set up sale and transfer. Carry out contrived kidnapping setup. Get drunk and then? See indepmo's comments above, become THE focus for LE and hope my new craigslist buddy trusts me not to rat them out.

Obviously I cannot get there on the baby-selling theory either. :sheesh:

 

[jjenny]

I'm sure you didn't think that. Sorry if it sounded snarky. I was trying to point out that just because they haven't found this man doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Well it doesn't mean he does exist either. I would really like to see the whole interview with the woman whose husband saw the man and a baby-did she originally say she was able to see them as well? As for the guy on the motorcycle-I find that story less believable, since the guy waited a week to contact LE. How does he even know what day it was that he saw something?

 

[2goldfish]

Respectfully snipped by me for space.

I'm just catching up this morning and am bumping this because it is something that I keep coming back to as well. Every time I try to hypothesize this, I come to the same conclusion. I get stuck trying to put myself in any perp's shoes (stranger, acquaintance, parent).

1) Stranger: I'm a really bad person who knows a lot of other really bad people and all of the circumstances are favorable for me to be able to sell a baby. All I need is a bunch of random coincidences like knowing where a baby is, having an irresponsible, drunk mom, hard of hearing dog, heavy sleeping kids, dad on the night shift, doors unlocked, etc. I'll just wander in and wander back out with a quiet child (who at nearly 11 months old can probably crawl, stand up, yell pretty loud, say a few words) will know that I'm a stranger but surely wont mind me carrying her around even with a bunch of cell phones in my pocket. All this magically and mysteriously happens and then? See indepmo's comments above!

2) Acquaintance: I might be a bad person with similar nefarious contacts to be able to sell a baby (like the stranger). I'm just waiting for the right opportunity. I don't have to be as lucky as the stranger because I happen to know a really irresponsible mom and sooner or later I'll get my chance. When chance comes - all stars align so that the random coincidences above present a known opportunity, I kidnap the baby and get all baby-selling contacts in place to take care of transaction then? See indepmo's comments above AND wait for LE to interview me because I know the family and I might be on the list of 20 or so people they know who could have done this. (and hope my nefarious baby-selling contacts trust me not to rat them out)

3) Parents: Hmm - I think I'll sell my baby. Look on Craigslist. Set up sale and transfer. Carry out contrived kidnapping setup. Get drunk and then? See indepmo's comments above, become THE focus for LE and hope my new craigslist buddy trusts me not to rat them out.

Obviously I cannot get there on the baby-selling theory either. :sheesh:

bbm is that true in this case? I havent seen that before. a hard of hearing dog?

 

[Rallihanna]

I can't imagine that the court would force an order to release what they found as evidence.

 

[JeannieC]

MOO is that LE "brushed off" the tip about the man spotted with the baby that night and I for one am glad that this is being looked at with some semblance of sincerity. Imo when a baby is missing all things of a suspicious nature need to be looked into to ensure all aspects are being checked thoroughly.

eleph

I felt the same as far as LE's response when asked about the man with a baby. He didn't really give a definitive answer as to whether or not they had been able to locate that person or not.

 

[Seaturtle]

bbm is that true in this case? I havent seen that before. a hard of hearing dog?

Sorry - that was a snide comment about the fact that no one heard a dog barking. It is NOT a fact that he is hard of hearing - I was just trying to be cute. :innocent:

 

[Sigh Sister]

Well it doesn't mean he does exist either. I would really like to see the whole interview with the woman whose husband saw the man and a baby-did she originally say she was able to see them as well? As for the guy on the motorcycle-I find that story less believable, since the guy waited a week to contact LE. How does he even know what day it was that he saw something?

True, but 3 people saw this man. There are many reasons that the 4am witness can remember what day it was. Maybe that's the night he went to a party, maybe that's the last time he rode his bike etc..... As for waiting for a week to report it, it is entirely possible the he had no idea that a baby was missing. Some people don't watch tv/news and/or read the paper.

 

[JeannieC]

I can't imagine that the court would force an order to release what they found as evidence.

They weren't ordered to release information on the evidence but they were ordered to release what they were searching for as listed on the Search Warrant.

 

[jjenny]

True, but 3 people saw this man. There are many reasons that the 4am witness can remember what day it was. Maybe that's the night he went to a party, maybe that's the last time he rode his bike etc..... As for waiting for a week to report it, it is entirely possible the he had no idea that a baby was missing. Some people don't watch tv/news and/or read the paper.

No, 3 people say they saw a man. Apparently. Since we haven't heard from the husband of the female witness.

 

[mmmagique]

Well it doesn't mean he does exist either. I would really like to see the whole interview with the woman whose husband saw the man and a baby-did she originally say she was able to see them as well? As for the guy on the motorcycle-I find that story less believable, since the guy waited a week to contact LE. How does he even know what day it was that he saw something?

She was just going by what her husband told her. (iirc)

 

[21merc7]

Link to search warrant for those that have not seen it, also includes request to seal and denial.

http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

 

[curiousjo]

True, but 3 people saw this man. There are many reasons that the 4am witness can remember what day it was. Maybe that's the night he went to a party, maybe that's the last time he rode his bike etc..... As for waiting for a week to report it, it is entirely possible the he had no idea that a baby was missing. Some people don't watch tv/news and/or read the paper.

The motocycle dude was driving home after getting off work shift.

 

[JeannieC]

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hard of hearing dog

Seaturtle, we don't know that he is hard of hearing.........he might have been drinking too..........totally blacked out!

:floorlaugh:

 

[not_my_kids]

The only way a baby selling theory works for me in this particular case is if Lisa were not sold, but rather "rented" to someone for a bad purpose, which resulted in her being injured and dying at the house.

 

[frankie069]

I can't imagine that the court would force an order to release what they found as evidence.

If it is used in a trial it is discovery. LE (the prosecutors office) must allow the defense to see their evidence.