LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[sarx]

Or perhaps that the dogs couldn't pick up anything after that much time with no body there?

 

[vasportsmom]

I thought I read earlier that JI returned home at 3:30 that night but now the latest People article says 3:45. I don't know which is true but if it is the latter that would seem to make it less likely he had time to be involved in a cover-up.

The engaged couple's two boys, 5 and 8, were also in the house at the time. When Irwin, 29, returned around 3:45 a.m. from a late work shift, he says the front door was unlocked, lights were on, a window was open and their daughter was missing.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20539176,00.html

 

[Slynderella]

sorry If I only had the time.....no time here for that task ... but they are news stories linked on this site if you want to research it all further.... how could the neighbor see the baby if she was only on the front stoop and DB says she put her down and can't remember ever checking on her again after 6:30.. and the neighbor came at 6:30?

it's not an issue for me but anyone it is any issue for... should go back and review.... the facts are all there

 

[Dee10]

BritsKate - I agree. She drank, got frustrated and now I'm thinking banged the baby's head against the floor in her room over and over or choked her. DB's demeanor to me is one of horrible regret/sorrow and fear. Fear she will be caught and can't un-do what she did while intoxicated. I do feel sorry for her, but mostly I was hoping that poor baby was truly taken and would be returned and now it seems the most obvious thing we all feared did happen - mom lost it and killed the baby.

I can understand you feeling sorry for her, I really do. But, I have to say I don't, because she is causing added suffering for her children (they have no closure etc.), the whole town, family members, friends, LE & their families. This case is costing a fortune & it ain't over by any means. No, she is being selfish for not telling the truth, whatever the truth may be! It is the selfishness that is causing me to not feel sorry for her. I am not sure if Jeremy is not involved either, something is wrong there...I can't see him being in that much denial IYKWM? Thinking about Kayne (Kyron's Dad). If he is in denial, when the truth comes out...well my heart breaks thinking about it.

I also totally believe the wine was a cover-up for the "I can't remember" scenario, although, I am sure she had a glass or two. Makes me wonder when this happened. She seemed a bit proud & wanted to be clear the message was she "could have blacked out." Why would someone want to get that message across? :innocent:

 

[sarx]

Some of us were wondering if anyone else had died in that house, possibly in that bedroom. If so we wondered if the dogs could still "hit" on it.

This woman lived there, the one in the document, but there is no obituary that the person found attached to that name.:innocent:

This is really really unlikely. We aren't talking remains here, we're talking residual what, 15 years later?

 

[MissJames]

Just a thought. What if while DB was on the stoop drinking wine the boys got the baby out and they were playing in Mom and DAd's room. She fell off the bed and was dead but the boys didn't pay attention. Instead of DB reacting like a mother should and call911 that her baby wasn't breathing she protected the boys. I know this a long shot and I'll get many pfffft responses but I have to wonder. They don't want to boys talking to cops anymore. Why?????? They handled this all wrong because I don't believe that this mother killed this child either intentionally or by shaken baby syndrome. I won't believe it till I read it. Thoughts?

ETA: I do not believe this child was murdered but still if accident they handled it all wrong. I hope they talk and soon. I am so sad over these results.

Here's what I don't understand . Why is it easier to believe a mother would not try to save her child,and would discard that child,as opposed to a mother who would kill her baby?
I know a lot of people think there might have been an accident ,but what mother would look at her baby and just assume the child could not be saved ? Would not care enough, to try? To have a service of some sort? A burial or cremation?
IMO ,if a mother could so easily let their child go without getting help,they could also hurt that baby, because they didn't care enough to begin with.

I mean no disrespect to you ,KLjohnson,but I am not following the reasoning.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can someone come hold my hands away from my keyboard, please. TIA

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Well, I do not believe the mom was drunk at all. Here's why: if I was sitting with a neighbor/friend who had three small children in the house and she had in excess of 5 glasses of wine and was fall-down/black-out drunk, I would never leave her alone in the house. Has the neighbor confirmed that she was drunk? I'm highly doubtful that someone would leave her in that condition to take care of two kids and a baby. I'd camp out on the sofa (whether she liked it or not) until her husband got home.

 

[frankie069]

Or perhaps that the dogs couldn't pick up anything after that much time with no body there?

SARX,
Not sure if you saw my previous question and i know there is another thread for this but.... if the mother touched that tape and tape dispenser after touching the baby who died would she transfer that scent of decomp onto those items..??

 

[Lera213]

I can understand you feeling sorry for her, I really do. But, I have to say I don't, because she is causing added suffering for her children (they have no closure etc.), the whole town, family members, friends, LE & their families. This case is costing a fortune & it ain't over by any means. No, she is being selfish for not telling the truth, whatever the truth may be! It is the selfishness that is causing me to not feel sorry for her. I am not sure if Jeremy is not involved either, something is wrong there...I can't see him being in that much denial IYKWM? Thinking about Kayne (Kyron's Dad). If he is in denial, when the truth comes out...well my heart breaks thinking about it.

I also totally believe the wine was a cover-up for the "I can't remember" scenario, although, I am sure she had a glass or two. Makes me wonder when this happened. She seemed a bit proud & wanted to be clear the message was she "could have blacked out." Why would someone want to get that message across? :innocent:

Bouncing off your thread thank you...

Not only what you have stated but she is allowing her baby to be out there, in the cold, exposed to God knows what. We've all heard about animals in what they do to a body. Feel sorry for her, oh heck no!

 

[sorrell skye]

I haven't seen any links about the neighbor seeing or not seeing the baby but I have been wondering if it is the reason DB changed her timeline. Maybe she had to put Lisa to bed earlier because the neighbor didn't see Lisa and was there at 7.30 and didn't see DB putting her to bed.

I've had the same thought.

Perhaps the neighbor remembers coming over shortly after 6:40 - say, 6:45 - 7:00 (which is why DB changed her timeline to putting the baby to bed @ 6:40).

If the neighbor didn't see baby Lisa that night, then I'm suspicious of whether or not she was alive prior to the neighbor coming over.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Here's what I don't understand . Why is it easier to believe a mother would not try to save her child,and would discard that child,as opposed to a mother who would kill her baby?
I know a lot of people think there might have been an accident ,but what mother would look at her baby and just assume the child could not be saved ? Would not care enough, to try? To have a service of some sort? A burial or cremation?
IMO ,if a mother could so easily let their child go without getting help,they could also hurt that baby, because they didn't care enough to begin with.

I mean no disrespect to you ,KLjohnson,but I am not following the reasoning.

I'm so sorry for your loss -- I started crying reading your post...How awesome of you to be on here, now, to shed some light on what might have happened to other children. And I couldn't agree with you more: no loving parent ever gives up on their kids.

 

[MaryAnn]

correct me if I am wrong but we have..

Lisa not actually seen, accept by parents since Sunday Birthday party
Father accepts the night shift job on Monday the day of the job
Neighbor dosen't see the baby while over drinking on front step from 6:30-10:30

Something happened either Sunday night or Monday IMO

I bet you are right! Like NG says there are no coincidences!

 

[Lera213]

I've had the same thought.

Perhaps the neighbor came over shortly after 6:40 (which is why DB changed her timeline to putting the baby to bed).

exactly, she knew the neighbor didn't see Lisa, so DB had to change her timeline.

 

[JeannaT]

Well, I do not believe the mom was drunk at all. Here's why: if I was sitting with a neighbor/friend who had three small children in the house and she had in excess of 5 glasses of wine and was fall-down/black-out drunk, I would never leave her alone in the house. Has the neighbor confirmed that she was drunk? I'm highly doubtful that someone would leave her in that condition to take care of two kids and a baby. I'd camp out on the sofa (whether she liked it or not) until her husband got home.

Hm. Fall-down, and black-out drunk are two completely different things. If she drinks as often as she says it's likely she can look fairly in control and but still have big pockets of lost memory the next day.

Five glasses of wine, in 3 hours, is not that much, certainly not fall-down drunk, but she might have trouble remembering nuances like exact timing of things.

 

[momtective]

Can someone come hold my hands away from my keyboard, please. TIA

Here...drink this, it'll keep your hands busy for a minute.

Well maybe not but it's bound to help in some small way. :wink:

 

[Bon]

Just a thought. What if while DB was on the stoop drinking wine the boys got the baby out and they were playing in Mom and DAd's room. She fell off the bed and was dead but the boys didn't pay attention. Instead of DB reacting like a mother should and call911 that her baby wasn't breathing she protected the boys. I know this a long shot and I'll get many pfffft responses but I have to wonder. They don't want to boys talking to cops anymore. Why?????? They handled this all wrong because I don't believe that this mother killed this child either intentionally or by shaken baby syndrome. I won't believe it till I read it. Thoughts?

ETA: I do not believe this child was murdered but still if accident they handled it all wrong. I hope they talk and soon. I am so sad over these results.

I just can't seeing her dying from a fall off the bed unless she broke her neck or fell directly on her head....and the room was carpeted at that....

 

[vlpate]

My distinct memory which can be wrong was I heard early on in one of the interviews that JI stated that they searched a little bit around the yard outside. Another inconsistent statement. Does anyone else recall that? It was the same time when JI stated he went to the neighbor's to make the 911 call, but nobody answered, so he went back and that is when they realized he had his work phone in his pocket.

I remember this as well.

 

[belimom]

Here's what I don't understand . Why is it easier to believe a mother would not try to save her child,and would discard that child,as opposed to a mother who would kill her baby?
I know a lot of people think there might have been an accident ,but what mother would look at her baby and just assume the child could not be saved ? Would not care enough, to try? To have a service of some sort? A burial or cremation?
IMO ,if a mother could so easily let their child go without getting help,they could also hurt that baby, because they didn't care enough to begin with.

I mean no disrespect to you ,KLjohnson,but I am not following the reasoning.

bbm

I think what most are assuming is that IF it were an accident - we still don't know - then little Lisa was beyond saving. Perhaps she tried saving Lisa herself and lost precious time, or maybe it had happened hours before DB found her and it was obvious that nothing could be done. And then the fear/reality set in of jail/prison. IF she was drunk, it would impair her ability to actually help her daughter and her judgment about what to do.

At least that's what I'm thinking. MOO

 

[Patty G]

Can someone come hold my hands away from my keyboard, please. TIA

(I took an Ativan to keep me calm. )