LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[Tuffy]

Like what? Did I miss something? Not being snarky, I may have missed other evidence found that pointed to one or both parents. TIA

The hinky story, missing phones, the drunk mom, and the changing timeline. That's what we know about. The police probably have more.

I think the biggest problem is the lack of any evidence of an intruder or break-in.

 

[~n/t~]

Their ever-changing stories.
The fact that criminals who steal children would know better than to steal cell phones that could track them.
The staging is all wrong for the crime reported.
The parents not talking to police for the past...what? ten days?
The father speaking of his daughter in the past tense.
The parents never begging for their baby back, or explaining to whoever has her to how to care for her.

It's circumstancial but damning, imo.

With all due respect, that isn't even enough to arrest/charge let alone convict either of them with murder. I have faith that if they do charge, it will be more than what you posted above.

 

[DianaElaine]

Devil's advocate here: Could the ground had been dug up and replaced recently?

 

[Apostate]

Their ever-changing stories.
The fact that criminals who steal children would know better than to steal cell phones that could track them.
The staging is all wrong for the crime reported.
The parents not talking to police for the past...what? ten days?
The father speaking of his daughter in the past tense.
The parents never begging for their baby back, or explaining to whoever has her to how to care for her.

It's circumstancial but damning, imo.

The cellphones told me there was only ever one conclusion to be reached. Now the cadaver dog searches have further confirmed that belief.

Trouble is how will LE be able to prove anything unless someone blabs? This could well go the same way as the Madeleine McCann case.

 

[Tuffy]

With all due respect, that isn't even enough to arrest/charge let alone convict either of them with murder. I have faith that if they do charge, it will be more than what you posted above.

You're right, no single piece of evidence is enough to bring to trial. It's going to be all the evidence. All the pieces of the puzzle will do it.

 

[Tuffy]

The cellphones told me there was only ever one conclusion to be reached. Now the cadaver dog searches have further confirmed that belief.

Trouble is how will LE be able to prove anything unless someone blabs? This could well go the same way as the Madeleine McCann case.

Sadly, I think this case will never go to trial without a body. I'm so hoping that they find her.

 

[Tuffy]

Devil's advocate here: Could the ground had been dug up and replaced recently?

I don't understand. Maybe it's too early for me. :waitasec:

 

[DianaElaine]

I believe she was drinking outside on her front stoop with a neighbor earlier in the evening.

True ... but I was thinking that she may have only intended to have one glass, and then 'after' needed to drink more?

Just a thought ...

 

[~n/t~]

I know right?! Although, if he was on his own and taking care of that house at 18, I can see why he may look prematurely aged! Keeping up with a house on your own isn't easy. I did it by myself for years. I wouldn't have wanted to do it when I was 18.

Well, FWIW, if the information is true, it gives me even less reason to believe he was involved. He may look suspicious to some. His body language is odd but from the outside looking in, he seems like someone who had a head on his shoulder. He's an electrician, owned a house at 18. It takes a lot of maturity and discipline to own a house at that age, raise a child, have a career.

I really hope he has nothing to do with harming Lisa.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Their ever-changing stories.
The fact that criminals who steal children would know better than to steal cell phones that could track them.
The staging is all wrong for the crime reported.
The parents not talking to police for the past...what? ten days?
The father speaking of his daughter in the past tense.
The parents never begging for their baby back, or explaining to whoever has her to how to care for her.

It's circumstancial but damning, imo.

I would hazard to guess that most criminals are not rocket scientists.
How is the "staging" all wrong?
The parents have begged for their baby back in the interviews that I've seen, although I agree that they haven't explained how to care for her.

 

[2goldfish]

The point I'm making is that one hit is not enough for me to convict. If the results from the evidence taken turn out to be positive and/or more than one cadaver dog hit on that same spot or anywhere else in the home, I will gladly fall off the fence. In the meantime, all we have is what was in the affadavit.

If it turns out that Lisa died in the home, I will NOT stand by an accident theory. Dr. G's testimony in the CA case will stay with me forever. Nobody stages an accident to look like a kidnapping or murder. They call 911.

oh I absolutely agree with you. this is why I've been prancing around telling people IMO polygraphs are useless at BEST and not to take momma's failure of one as anything - ONE dog hit could be an anomoly, sure. hence I am still on the fence UNTIL I know more.

that the first dog's results were verified, for example. or that the decomp was even related and not from someone that died in the home previous. etc, etc. I'm only falling off the fence, because I still dont know enough yet.

I'll tell yall one thing though I am soooo unhappy to see the words "tape" and "tape dispenser" on that affadavit. but still we know nothing, it could be anything at all, or nothing.

 

[Sigh Sister]

The cellphones told me there was only ever one conclusion to be reached. Now the cadaver dog searches have further confirmed that belief.

Trouble is how will LE be able to prove anything unless someone blabs? This could well go the same way as the Madeleine McCann case.

Why do you think the cell phones missing is so damning? Do you think DB was trying to hide calls or texts that were made? Cell phone records can be obtained so I don't know why she would think getting rid of the cell phones would cover her tracks.

 

[2goldfish]

I know right?! Although, if he was on his own and taking care of that house at 18, I can see why he may look prematurely aged! Keeping up with a house on your own isn't easy. I did it by myself for years. I wouldn't have wanted to do it when I was 18.

me either, I was a total putz at 18. that's different from now how, you ask?

I plead the 5th :crazy:

 

[natsound]

Well, I do not believe the mom was drunk at all. Here's why: if I was sitting with a neighbor/friend who had three small children in the house and she had in excess of 5 glasses of wine and was fall-down/black-out drunk, I would never leave her alone in the house. Has the neighbor confirmed that she was drunk? I'm highly doubtful that someone would leave her in that condition to take care of two kids and a baby. I'd camp out on the sofa (whether she liked it or not) until her husband got home.

I think what we have to consider is that DB was not acting as drunk as she was. Alcoholics, and non-alkies that have been drinking for years, can pull this off. Some can drive home from a bar. Drinking is probably a way of life for that family, and maybe for the family across the street. I know people like this.

I do indeed think DB was drunk, and I believe she doesn't have complete memory of everything that night. She was seen on surveillance video buying wine. She went home and drank it, I would bet on it.

 

[~n/t~]

Whoa, ~n/t~. Neither of those articles say that false positives are very common. It only says that they can occur.

The second article says this:

Tuffy, they needed more than one dog to dismiss the possibility of a false positive. If you read my posts that is what I've been saying all along.

 

[2goldfish]

Devil's advocate here: Could the ground had been dug up and replaced recently?

I'm taking this with a grain of salt too. it's funny how our lives and interests lead us to different conclusions when we hear something. I've for the first time in my life dug up my front & back gardens to overseed the lawn*. that's quite normal for people to do in my parts in october. other countries/states of countries it might be dfferent. I didnt take it to necessarily mean anything though.

*mind you, every neighbor I have and all the people at the bus stop across the way can verify me digging out about a zillion weeds 1 x 1 since I'm one of those organic people....nearly fell off THAT fence too, I might buy an herbicide next time *blush*

 

[mmmagique]

I would hazard to guess that most criminals are not rocket scientists.
How is the "staging" all wrong?
The parents have begged for their baby back in the interviews that I've seen, although I agree that they haven't explained how to care for her.

Neither are these... (imo)

Criminals don't sneak into houses in the middle of the night and turn on all the lights. They don't steal cellphones that can be traced. They don't climb in a window when a door in unlocked. These things point more to staging and cover up than they do to an actual abduction.

The times I've seen them on tv they've been talking about themselves and how mean the police are being.

 

[Tuffy]

Well, FWIW, if the information is true, it gives me even less reason to believe he was involved. He may look suspicious to some. His body language is odd but from the outside looking in, he seems like someone who had a head on his shoulder. He's an electrician, owned a house at 18. It takes a lot of maturity and discipline to own a house at that age, raise a child, have a career.

I really hope he has nothing to do with harming Lisa.

I don't think he was involved either. I think he's in deep denial about his girlfriend's involvement though.

 

[mmmagique]

Why do you think the cell phones missing is so damning? Do you think DB was trying to hide calls or texts that were made? Cell phone records can be obtained so I don't know why she would think getting rid of the cell phones would cover her tracks.

Not if they're throw away phones.

 

[Wishbone]

I would hazard to guess that most criminals are not rocket scientists.
How is the "staging" all wrong?
The parents have begged for their baby back in the interviews that I've seen, although I agree that they haven't explained how to care for her.

There's a really good synopsis on many of the inconsistencies over at the hinky meter. If you like you can read it here

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/1...rsion-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/#more-8215