LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

For those that believe the witnesses and this was baby Lisa being paraded around town what happened to her clothes?

We know the shorts & shirt was taken by LE and logically thinking it was taken for a reason. Could be many reasons; it was the same the same outfit and dirty, same outfit but unworn, the dog hit on the outfit that day, etc. we just don't know the precise reason.

We don't know if the clothes taken during the SW were the same clothes, or even the exact same decription as what LE was told she was wearing. Some assume it was the same outfit, but that was never stated by LE to be the case.

 

[hambirg]

We don't know if the clothes taken during the SW were the same clothes, or even the exact same decription as what LE was told she was wearing. Some assume it was the same outfit, but that was never stated by LE to be the case.

Nor was it ever stated that they weren't the clothes. LE has never said much in this case. We simply don't know. It goes both ways.

 

[Whisperer]

When LE questions a mother about baby clothes, they get everything they can out of the mother. material, size, manufacturer, where it was purchased, how oftern it was worn, etc.

You can bet your bippy that those clothes were most likely the clothes DB described.

 

[Whisperer]

If LE knew it wasn't the exact outfit DB described, they wouldn't have taken it. DB has managed to sway people's minds with her word trickery, but she's not going to sway mine. This gal is a piece of work..

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

If LE knew it wasn't the exact outfit DB described, they wouldn't have taken it. DB has managed to sway people's minds with her word trickery, but she's not going to sway mine. This gal is a piece of work..

BBM I prefer to let the evidence, or lack thereof guide my thoughts, but to each their own.
I am old enough to form my own opinions and last I read, entitled to them.

 

[4Jacy]

If LE knew it wasn't the exact outfit DB described, they wouldn't have taken it. DB has managed to sway people's minds with her word trickery, but she's not going to sway mine. This gal is a piece of work..

BBM

Where does this girl get the moxey to con the police for so long? To me, at least, she doesn't seem that intelligent that she could out smart the LE. I think she also conned JI, at least in the beginning.

As far as the outfit Baby Lisa had on I wouldn't think it strange to have two of the same outfits, especially if DB thought it was really cute. I often purchase duplicates of clothes that I really like and I think a lot of people do.

Everything about this case is so vague (at least to the public.)

Hope they find Baby Lisa soon and that she didn't suffer.

 

[natsound]

For those that believe the witnesses and this was baby Lisa being paraded around town what happened to her clothes?

We know the shorts & shirt was taken by LE and logically thinking it was taken for a reason. Could be many reasons; it was the same the same outfit and dirty, same outfit but unworn, the dog hit on the outfit that day, etc. we just don't know the precise reason.

Refresh my memory. How do we know a shirt and shorts were taken by LE... is this on the search warrant, or did he tell DB this during an interrogation?

 

[Donjeta]

The clothes are in the list of items taken in the search warrant document.
I don't remember DB or the lawyers saying anything about the clothes LE took.

 

[deoneta]

Refresh my memory. How do we know a shirt and shorts were taken by LE... is this on the search warrant, or did he tell DB this during an interrogation?

Among the items removed during the search on the 19th, the search warrant search, were purple shorts and a Disney character shirt.

 

[askfornina]

Refresh my memory. How do we know a shirt and shorts were taken by LE... is this on the search warrant, or did he tell DB this during an interrogation?

here is the link natsound. http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

-Purple shorts
-Multi-color Disney Character shirt

it is unknown whether or not these are the same shorts and shirt that Lisa was reported to be wearing. it can be assumed, and it's certainly possible because of the Aristocats, but the descriptions are slightly different.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-aler...ng-kansas-city/story?id=14663097#.Tt9b81ZIuOc

She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.

 

[natsound]

here is the link natsound. http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

-Purple shorts
-Multi-color Disney Character shirt

it is unknown whether or not these are the same shorts and shirt that Lisa was reported to be wearing. it can be assumed, and it's certainly possible because of the Aristocats, but the descriptions are slightly different.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-aler...ng-kansas-city/story?id=14663097#.Tt9b81ZIuOc

Our resident go-to girl for information! Thanks askfornina! I'll put in a good word for a raise for you. :great:

 

[Karmaa]

here is the link natsound. http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

-Purple shorts
-Multi-color Disney Character shirt

it is unknown whether or not these are the same shorts and shirt that Lisa was reported to be wearing. it can be assumed, and it's certainly possible because of the Aristocats, but the descriptions are slightly different.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-aler...ng-kansas-city/story?id=14663097#.Tt9b81ZIuOc

Just jumping off your post (and THANK YOU for being so organized - you really rock!)

I don't know if its the same clothes or not, but the description of the shirt is quite different:

purple with kittens and
multi-color with disney characters.

It's possible that the multi-color shirt is "shades of purple" and the Disney characters could be kittens - but that is really a huge stretch to guess about.

The purple shorts doesn't really mean much either without some explanation about them. Lisa was obviously a well-dressed baby. She could easily have had lavender shorts, light purple shorts, royal purple shorts and purple shorts with little flowers on them, for instance. All of them could easily be called "purple".

I just know that my daughter was also well dressed, and probably had at least 5 pairs of pink and 5 pairs of purple shorts at any time during the summer. Not to mention different shades of leggings and pink, white or turquoise shirts.

Not to say that they AREN'T the same clothes, but without knowing that they ARE, it means next to nothing.

If it is the same clothing though - I really want to know where they were found. If they were on the floor of the parents room, after Debbie says that Lisa was in HER CRIB in those clothes, and Debbie was supposedly asleep in her bed, that would be rather suspicious. But without knowing, it doesn't mean much.

 

[Donjeta]

Supposing they aren't the same clothes, or similar enough to be mistaken for the ones in the Amber alert, what could be the reasons they were taken?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Supposing they aren't the same clothes, or similar enough to be mistaken for the ones in the Amber alert, what could be the reasons they were taken?

Same reason the toy, blanket, and tape dispenser were taken; i.e. I have no clue except to believe Rugen's statement that they were hit on by the cadaver dog. That would mean they were on the bedroom floor or else the dog hit in other rooms and we weren't informed of that. Too much unknown.

Why would DB say the clothing BL was wearing when last seen and then leave those same items in the house. That really makes no sense at all. Why would DB remove clothing of a dead baby? No clue.

 

[cityslick]

Perhaps they took the clothes to get a DNA sample for BL in the event of identification later on?

 

[Donjeta]

Would they need to do that under a warrant? Didn't the family say they had agreed to allow DNA samples to be taken? I don't know if that included Lisa since she was not there to be sampled but they might have allowed to take her toothbrush or hairbrush or some other item by permission, or Lisa could be identified via a match to the relatives.

 

[cityslick]

Would they need to do that under a warrant? Didn't the family say they had agreed to allow DNA samples to be taken? I don't know if that included Lisa since she was not there to be sampled but they might have allowed to take her toothbrush or hairbrush or some other item by permission, or Lisa could be identified via a match to the relatives.

Do we know what was taken prior to the warrant?

 

[DeAnn]

Supposing they aren't the same clothes, or similar enough to be mistaken for the ones in the Amber alert, what could be the reasons they were taken?

Because a cadaver dog hit on them would be a reason.

And no, we don't know what was taken during the voluntary searches other than the computer and the wine.

 

[Elley Mae]

LE knew about the phones the very first day. That is why they were questioning her about the call to MW and the pings being within 1/3 mile. The second day LE was out with metal detectors and they were not looking for a baby with those. The phones were mentioned publicly when the house was still under LE control. They could have fingerprinted the countertops if they wanted to as they knew about the phones during the time they (LE) were in possession of the house. The house was considered a crime scene and not released until the 7th or 8th.

I would like to see were LE knew about the phones the very first day, I may have missed that. I will stick with LE did not know about the phones til jeremy said it and deborah agreed. just sayin unless there is a link I can go to

 

[cityslick]

I would like to see were LE knew about the phones the very first day, I may have missed that. I will stick with LE did not know about the phones til jeremy said it and deborah agreed. just sayin unless there is a link I can go to

Respectfully quoting from the cadaver thread:

Could someone tell me where this stuff about KCPD not knowing about the phones immediately comes from?

The search warrant says they knew about it in interviews. My recollection is that information was released on the first day. It was certainly out there by the third day.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

ETA: And I shouldn't have posted anyway....not sure why cell phones are being talked about in the cadaver dog thread.