LeAnna (Mom) #1

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I would advise her to lawyer up. I do not think, however, that were she innocent, she would really need to at this stage, because if that's all they have, nothing could come of it. Nevertheless, it is clear she is being looked at as a POI, so my legal advice would be to hire an attorney. Just in case.

That's not what I;m talking about though. What I am talking about is the behavior of grieving, innocent parents. Hiring counsel a month after one's child died is not the behavior of grieving, innocent parents who haven't been arrested. Ask Marc Klaas or John Walsh if you don't believe me. It may be the smart thing to do. It may be practical.

But it's not normal.

And observing human behavior is part of how profiling is done, it;s part of how LE and attorneys gauge a case and it's part of how the general public judge a person and determine that something stinks. IMO. And I;m determining that something stinks.

I think in this day and age it is normal and practical. Look at the Aisenbergs. No matter what you think of them being innocent or guilty it was proven that the police made up transcripts to make them look like they were drug addicts and admitted killing her. The judge threw it all out.

It happens. I am not saying parents should not cooperate but I think that they should all have attys.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Many people haven't a clue who Lin Wood is.
Pflllliittt his 15 mins of fame is long over.
IMO

 

[cady]

Hiring an attorney may be a wise decision. Or an unnecessary expense. Fortunately, people weigh the merits and STILL have discretion. We don't need a law that requires us to hire ANYONE. JMO

 

[gitana1]

The only one I can think of is Jessica Lunsford- but I may be wrong. I thought police went after him like hound dogs.

They sure were. And he was constantly making public statements about his daughter's disappearance, subjected himself to polygraphs and extensive interrogations by the police, without a lawyer present, and conducting searches for his child.

It is news to me if he hired an attorney and clammed up less than a month after is child went missing:

Mark Lunsford, Jessica's father, said Wednesday he does not rest his hopes on the person of interest being the answer to the mystery in his daughter's disappearance. He also said he understands why his relatives remain suspects.

"I don't really worry about stuff like that," he said. "I know my mom and dad. I brush it off.

"The only thing I have on my mind is finding Jessie."

Lunsford asked for volunteers for a weekend search, beginning at 7 a.m. both Saturday and Sunday.

"I truly believe that my daughter is alive and that she is coming home," he said.

Mark Lunsford, 41, said he has no "problems with the way the sheriff's department is doing its job."

"I have confidence in my sheriff's department, and I truly believe in my heart that my daughter is coming home," Lunsford said, his voice breaking for the only time in a 10-minute briefing with reporters. "I just don't know when. Sometimes it is a little hard to swallow, but you just swallow it and keep going because that's what you have to do."

Polygraphs given to both her father and her grandfather, Archie Lunsford, 72, raised no immediate concerns to investigators. Authorities announced Tuesday a polygraph of Jessica's grandmother, Ruth Lunsford, 73, included two responses that "raised red flags," but could have been stress-related.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/16/missing.girl/

Actually, I think Lunsford is just one more example that proves my point.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I strongly disagree. He was a fame grabber when he represented the Ramsey's.

I think he wanted to establish himself as a top lawyer for high-profile clients (especially those involved in a true crime story) in civil suits against the media, which he has done.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think that there are some things that Leanne has to explain and explain well to the police. But I don't see anything so far that shows that she had any collusion with JRH.

 

[gitana1]

I think in this day and age it is normal and practical. Look at the Aisenbergs. No matter what you think of them being innocent or guilty it was proven that the police made up transcripts to make them look like they were drug addicts and admitted killing her. The judge threw it all out.

It happens. I am not saying parents should not cooperate but I think that they should all have attys.

It is 100% NOT normal. Yes, any suspect should hire an attorney. There have been cases throughout history when innocent people are charged with and even convicted of crimes they did not commit. This is extremely, extremely rare for middle class white people. It doesn't happen to them very often at all. Cases like the Aisenbergs are hugely rare.

But they do exist - Tonya Craft, Kevin Fox, the Aisenberg's - but such cases are exceedingly rare. In fact, I don;t think Kevin Fox qualifies. I don't think he qualified as middle income.

Nevertheless, the cases that do exist certainly certainly make it practical to hire an attorney when you are suspect or POI.

But again, the Aisenbergs are another case that totally proves my point about "normal" behavior of grieving, innocent parents when it comes to involving lawyers and clamming up: "After almost two years of tearful appeals and prayer vigils, of appearances on "Dateline NBC," "Geraldo" and "Larry King Live," of fund-raising, of please bring our baby home, an FBI battering ram splintered Aisenberg's front door in Bethesda on Thursday." http://www.sptimes.com/News2/Sabrina/

By then the Aisenbergs had gone quite public.
The couple's first appeal to the media had been at 9:30 p.m. the day of the alleged kidnapping.
"This morning, someone came into our home and took our baby . . . out of her crib and took her out of her home, and I'm begging that person to please bring our baby back to us," Marlene told reporters.
The next January the couple participated in a media blitz.
On Jan. 10, they arranged to have the media cover their appearance at the Missing Children Help Center, in Brandon, Fla., where they went to help stuff envelopes. Two days after that, Steven taped a statement for a local radio station.
Two days later, on Jan. 14, the Aisenbergs appeared on the network television news magazine "Dateline NBC" in what was billed as their "first network prime-time interview."
Family videos were shown. Marlene wept. Steven told viewers that Sabrina "made our family whole."
"We know she's out there," he said, "and we know she's going to come back."
"Because whoever took her can't keep her," his wife added. "She belongs to us."
Two days later, it was "Larry King Live."
"In my heart," Marlene told King's audience, "I believe that . . . somebody out there wanted a baby to love and that they took mine to do that." Someone called in from California and said, "To the Aisenbergs, my heart goes out to you."
By then suspicion already had fallen on the parents.
That March, the couple was back on "Dateline," with Marlene proclaiming "total disbelief" at the situation: "Not only is my daughter gone, but they think I had something to do with it. It's just unbelievable."
A month later it was Geraldo Rivera.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/sept99/kidnap11.htm


Innocent, grieving parents simply don't think about hiring attorneys until they are arrested. They think about finding their babies, or seeking justice for them.

 

[gngr~snap]

They sure were. And he was constantly making public statements about his daughter's disappearance, subjected himself to polygraphs and extensive interrogations by the police, without a lawyer present, and conducting searches for his child.

It is news to me if he hired an attorney and clammed up less than a month after is child went missing:

Actually, I think Lunsford is just one more example that proves my point.

Duh... she was found with in few days. So no he didn't. I couldn't remember.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is 100% NOT normal. Yes, any suspect should hire an attorney. There have been cases throughout history when innocent people are charged with and even convicted of crimes they did not commit. This is extremely, extremely rare for middle class white people. It doesn't happen to them very often at all. Cases like the Aisenbergs are hugely rare.

But they do exist - Tonya Craft, Kevin Fox, the Aisenberg's - but such cases are exceedingly rare. In fact, I don;t think Kevin Fox qualifies. I don't think he qualified as middle income.

Nevertheless, the cases that do exist certainly certainly make it practical to hire an attorney when you are suspect or POI.

But again, the Aisenbergs are another case that totally proves my point about "normal" behavior of grieving, innocent parents when it comes to involving lawyers and clamming up: "After almost two years of tearful appeals and prayer vigils, of appearances on "Dateline NBC," "Geraldo" and "Larry King Live," of fund-raising, of please bring our baby home, an FBI battering ram splintered Aisenberg's front door in Bethesda on Thursday." http://www.sptimes.com/News2/Sabrina/

By then the Aisenbergs had gone quite public.
The couple's first appeal to the media had been at 9:30 p.m. the day of the alleged kidnapping.
"This morning, someone came into our home and took our baby . . . out of her crib and took her out of her home, and I'm begging that person to please bring our baby back to us," Marlene told reporters.
The next January the couple participated in a media blitz.
On Jan. 10, they arranged to have the media cover their appearance at the Missing Children Help Center, in Brandon, Fla., where they went to help stuff envelopes. Two days after that, Steven taped a statement for a local radio station.
Two days later, on Jan. 14, the Aisenbergs appeared on the network television news magazine "Dateline NBC" in what was billed as their "first network prime-time interview."
Family videos were shown. Marlene wept. Steven told viewers that Sabrina "made our family whole."
"We know she's out there," he said, "and we know she's going to come back."
"Because whoever took her can't keep her," his wife added. "She belongs to us."
Two days later, it was "Larry King Live."
"In my heart," Marlene told King's audience, "I believe that . . . somebody out there wanted a baby to love and that they took mine to do that." Someone called in from California and said, "To the Aisenbergs, my heart goes out to you."
By then suspicion already had fallen on the parents.
That March, the couple was back on "Dateline," with Marlene proclaiming "total disbelief" at the situation: "Not only is my daughter gone, but they think I had something to do with it. It's just unbelievable."
A month later it was Geraldo Rivera.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/sept99/kidnap11.htm


Innocent, grieving parents simply don't think about hiring attorneys until they are arrested. They think about finding their babies, or seeking justice for them.

Im sorry, I disagree with you. Today Parents are accused and drug through the mud. Again, I think they should cooperate but they should have a lawyer to protect them from things they don't understand. The police can lie and trick them. They need protection.

 

[Minette]

I just can't figure this woman out. I'm (somewhat) willing to extend her the benefit of the doubt despite her turning her baby's funeral into a paean to her jailed husband who at the very least was so negligent that he left their baby in a hot car to suffer an agonizing death because grief makes people behave in strange ways. And I don't hold getting a lawyer against her, because frankly, after the statements made by LE at the probable cause hearing they have her squarely in their sights. But threatening to sue the media ALREADY for being intrusive? My dear, your trial by media fire has only just begun. There is far, FAR more to come. You can't keep the media out of your life any more than you can keep LE out. And that's as it should be, because Cooper's right to justice trumps your right to privacy. The public, the greater community, the 'state' if you will has a prevailing interest in the enforcement of laws and ensuring justice for victims. Not to mention that I haven't seen any media reports outright accusing her of being complicit in Cooper's death. Sure, there are reports questioning her behavior and including several portentous quotes from LE, but......if she did do and say the things the media reports that she did and said then I don't think she has a leg to stand on.

Take five minutes out of your busy schedule of fighting the Man on behalf of your husband and yourself, LeAnna, and grieve the death of your innocent child. Whether you are completely innocent of any of this or complicit to at least some degree grieving your child will do you (and your public reputation) far, far more good than threatening to sue the media.

IMO.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Hypothetical: is it possible that LH has been cooperating with the detectives/investigation from the get-go and they instructed her to say something to the effect of "did you say too much?" To try to get him to confess? To try to squeak out other people in the woodwork who may know information bc they are afraid of what LH might "know" based on that statement?


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[cady]

Can we keep on topic please?? This is about Leanne.

Sure! I should have added that I tend to doubt that LW is interested in representing basically bankrupt Leanna. MY opinion only.

 

[DeDee]

I would advise her to lawyer up. I do not think, however, that were she innocent, she would really need to at this stage, because if that's all they have, nothing could come of it. Nevertheless, it is clear she is being looked at as a POI, so my legal advice would be to hire an attorney. Just in case.

That's not what I;m talking about though. What I am talking about is the behavior of grieving, innocent parents. Hiring counsel a month after one's child died is not the behavior of grieving, innocent parents who haven't been arrested. Ask Marc Klaas or John Walsh if you don't believe me. It may be the smart thing to do. It may be practical.

But it's not normal.

And observing human behavior is part of how profiling is done, it;s part of how LE and attorneys gauge a case and it's part of how the general public judge a person and determine that something stinks. IMO. And I;m determining that something stinks.

Clearly LH is a POI for all of the reasons mentioned on the thread. Wouldn't you agree that by retaining an attorney, it is also a way of relating to not only the media but also a nod to LE that if there are to be any future questions, then, please, go through my lawyer? Otherwise, why hire a lawyer? Why not get a well-spoken family member or friend to call a presser and issue the statement on LHs behalf? Why pay an attorney to spin the statement by implying the public is jumping to conclusions unnecessarily aka the Olympic Bomber? If taking LHs statement personally, I am offended at the insinuation and feel threatened; not comforted.

Profiling is a favorite part of investigating for it allows one a window into the psyche of another, usually a wicked, individual in such a way that their pulse becomes your own. If one is able to mentally see the killer's footsteps, one can determine the guilt of another based upon circumstantial evidence. As has been quoted, proving intent will be a difficult hurdle to jump. The couple's electronic trail could be their undoing.

moo and all that jazz

 

[cady]

I believe her name is Leanna, NO? JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I believe her name is Leanna, NO? JMO

Potato potaato... Lol.. I believe you are right..

 

[gitana1]

Im sorry, I disagree with you. Today Parents are accused and drug through the mud. Again, I think they should cooperate but they should have a lawyer to protect them from things they don't understand. The police can lie and trick them. They need protection.

I think we are talking about two different things. One is "should". That's what you keep saying. Essentially, I agree. The other is reality. You keep going back to should. But reality shows us that in certain situations, doing what one "should" do, is not normal and can even be indicative of guilt.

I have asked and you have failed to show me how hiring an attorney less than a month after your kid is killed or goes missing, and clamming up, is normal, typical, common behavior of grieving, innocent parents. I can't think of any such examples and you have not shown me one. Not even one. You just keep replying that it is the smart thing to do.

So what?

I'm looking at behavior. We all are, here. And the behavior of LH in hiring a criminal defense attorney, and threatening defamation suits, is not what innocent, grieving parents do. So, even though it may be smart and wise, it raises red flags. Repeating over and over that it is the right thing to do won't change that. Evidence that this kind of behavior has become the norm among innocent, grieving parents, would.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think she is a person of interest. I believe we said she is. The police have not said that that I am aware of? Or please link me to show me I am wrong.. I can take it.. Im having one of those days..

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think we are talking about two different things. One is "should". That's what you keep saying. Essentially, I agree. The other is reality. You keep going back to should. But reality shows us that in certain situations, doing what one "should" do, is not normal and can even be indicative of guilt.

I have asked and you have failed to show me how hiring an attorney less than a month after your kid is killed or goes missing, and clamming up, is normal, typical, common behavior of grieving, innocent parents. I can't think of any such examples and you have not shown me one. Not even one. You just keep replying that it is the smart thing to do.

So what?

I'm looking at behavior. We all are, here. And the behavior of LH is hiring a criminal defense attorney, and threatening defamation suits, is not what innocent, grieving parents do. So, even though it may be smart and wise, it raises red flags. Repeating over and over that it is the right thing to do won't change that. Evidence that this kind of behavior has become the norm among innocent, grieving parents, would.

AS far as I can see no one is clamming up here. It looks to me that she has been interviewed by police.

I don't think it has anything to do with the other. I think all people who are being looked at by police and we know that parents are always looked at first, should have an atty. And I am surprised and atty is not saying that also..

 

[gitana1]

Clearly LH is a POI for all of the reasons mentioned on the thread. Wouldn't you agree that by retaining an attorney, it is also a way of relating to not only the media but also a nod to LE that if there are to be any future questions, then, please, go through my lawyer? Otherwise, why hire a lawyer? Why not get a well-spoken family member or friend to call a presser and issue the statement on LHs behalf? Why pay an attorney to spin the statement by implying the public is jumping to conclusions unnecessarily aka the Olympic Bomber? If taking LHs statement personally, I am offended at the insinuation and feel threatened; not comforted.

Profiling is a favorite part of investigating for it allows one a window into the psyche of another, usually a wicked, individual in such a way that their pulse becomes your own. If one is able to mentally see the killer's footsteps, one can determine the guilt of another based upon circumstantial evidence. As has been quoted, proving intent will be a difficult hurdle to jump. The couple's electronic trail could be their undoing.

moo and all that jazz

Absolutely. She will never be talking to LE unfiltered again.

On another note, intent does not need to be shown against RH. LH hasn't been charged with anything so we will see if that becomes an issue.

 

[cady]

Yes, they put her on notice imo.

That is sort of what I was thinking. Does anyone know or remember the date that she retained Zimmerman? Was it after being interviewed by LE? She may have been advised to retain counsel, or just figured that she had better do so on her own. We know nothing about her interview with LE. JMO