Lee's "C.M.A."

[ZsaZsa]

A lot of how these people talk is full of cheesy, outdated business jargon. "Reach out" (and touch someone) is what slick salespeople still say when they have to make a phone call, or some Hollywood producer wants to make a movie.

Just like "nanny", it shows this whole family was trying to dress up like important, successful types and impress everyone with their fabuloso lifestyle.

We should start a list of Anthonyisms.
No one in that family ever just SAYS something...
They all 'offer it up to each other'.

 

[cecybeans]

We should start a list of Anthonyisms.
No one in that family ever just SAYS something...
They all 'offer it up to each other'.

Like Seinfeld-isms! Great idea for a PL thread - some of them are positively teeshirt-worthy!

 

[ThommyMac]

There is a thread devoted to this topic. I'm mentioning this so that noone runs with "car key" as fact. Makes one wonder

Thank you for pointing that out. I get most of me 'knowledge' from having the depos on me Zune. I will have to go look at the docs to be sure. I really do think it was a car key BUT that means nothing unless I can find it in the OCSO stuff. If anyone runs across it before me, please share the link.

 

[seagull65]

Trying hard to stick to the topic and obey the understandable WS rules, there was another 'reach out' moment of Lee's. Amy called him, I mean 'reached out to' him about her car key. Not to worry, Amy. He already took care of it. Using those natural investigative powers that made him a potential intern for Dominic Casey, he not only KNEW it was her car key, he also knew that she would want him to destroy it. Boy, I wish MY sister's friends were so amazing and caring. :twocents:

I know, I thought it was just me that went "huh?" when I read that.

Have I been doing the wrong thing all these years? Whenever I have found someone's misplaced keys, I have given them back to the owner. I didn't realize I should have destroyed them! :waitasec:

I know! And how would he have "destroyed" it anyway? Melted it down?

It is weird and I still wonder about it. Like you say, "don't worry, I already destroyed it". Why would he, how did he know, what was the key to, etc.

 

[seagull65]

I was shocked by his "CMA" speech, too. I found it so dramatic I had trouble watching it. I was sad for him though that he thought he could only address his sister secretly. That was very sad, and I think, probably indicative of the stress the family had been under with the people stalking their house, the intense media scrutiny, the feeling that LE wasn't really on their side or helping them, etc. If there was anything he wanted to say to Casey he should have said it openly, as in "I am so sorry you're not here Casey and that we can't be by your side today.", or whatever it was he was feeling, and sharing stories about good times in the past with Caylee and Casey and so on, or talking about the bond Caylee had with Casey or whatever. No need to omit Casey from the eulogy. But I didn't like the repeated "CMA, CMA" instead of just eulogizing Caylee. It did seem more about Casey's situation than about Caylee. The one part I could excuse was when he appealed to the public for information, I could understand that. MOO

 

[seagull65]

I also thought the "reach out" term was weird. Everyone seemed to be using it in the case, and also NG on TV!

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I've noticed that in interviews the LE folks also talk about "reaching out" to people. So perhaps it is a regionally used phrase. I live in Pennsylvania and have not heard it used hereabouts.

About Lee: Continuing to review interviews, I came upon one today that I had not heard or read before. The guy is "Nathan" - one of Tony Lazarro's room mates. He was there at the apartment when Cindy came to collect KC and was also there when Lee came later that night to pick up KC's belongings.

He stated that Lee immediately told them that KC is well practiced in stealing checks and that they should each check their bank accouts.

Other news to me today: Nathan stated that Tony had told him KC had said that George abused her when she was a child. When asked if the abuse was physical or sexual he stated that he did not know.

I knew that she had accused Lee but somehow I missed that she had claimed George had abused her. Sadly enough, either of these could be true. But with her track record for lying, who would ever believe her?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

MH told police this was something KC said to him in a phone call in early July.

Hmmm...I should say something on topic too. I think this "CMA" nonsense was an attempt to speak in code like Casey does, but it was a silly attempt. I think the only "coded" meaning was that he is an incredibly clever and James Bond-like dude who figured out that he could say things about "CMA" that were true about all the "CMAs" in his life. The fact that he could be so childish at his niece's memorial service is stunning to me.

Are you positive about that MH revealed that KC said that over the phone? The reason I searched for the message was that I was hoping to find the date MH would have received it - as it may indicate if KC had told CA and LA what she did to Caylee and when. I don't know why then I have referenced MySpace in my notes. Do you have a link per chance?

Also I thought it was on topic because it's referring to Lee with the hope of determining if he knew something bad had happened to Caylee prior to July 16.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72909&highlight=Military+Guy&page=2
Post #27 dtd. 10/12/08
"She had told her mom and brother she didn't know how he'd react to ...." (the assumption is that whatever it was KC wanted to tell MH she had already told her mom and brother. The date of the exchange is not included in the post.
MH's myspace source was deleated as noted in the linked post. Figures.
This is an example of why we should always have the initial source of the information (finally found).
The information can be interpreted in more than one way.

 

[cyberborg]

I was shocked by his "CMA" speech, too. I found it so dramatic I had trouble watching it. I was sad for him though that he thought he could only address his sister secretly. That was very sad, and I think, probably indicative of the stress the family had been under with the people stalking their house, the intense media scrutiny, the feeling that LE wasn't really on their side or helping them, etc. If there was anything he wanted to say to Casey he should have said it openly, as in "I am so sorry you're not here Casey and that we can't be by your side today.", or whatever it was he was feeling, and sharing stories about good times in the past with Caylee and Casey and so on, or talking about the bond Caylee had with Casey or whatever. No need to omit Casey from the eulogy. But I didn't like the repeated "CMA, CMA" instead of just eulogizing Caylee. It did seem more about Casey's situation than about Caylee. The one part I could excuse was when he appealed to the public for information, I could understand that. MOO

I personally feel that had LA talked about Casey openly, even though there would be some public backlash (a lot less than CMA) it'd be a natural family thing to do. Assuming that LA felt/feels that KC is innocent and she is naturally a part of Caylee as Mother and Caylee's past [you cannot take that away] --- it was both a natural thing to do and also a supportive one (on the basis the family wants to portray KC as nothing other than innocent).

However, having done the 'CMA' thing, even though KC is generally demonized ...... LA played into that making the family seem 'oddly different' yet again rather than natural, normal and, loving. He fanned the flames of oddball A-ness reinforcing WTH. IMHO.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I know, I thought it was just me that went "huh?" when I read that.

Have I been doing the wrong thing all these years? Whenever I have found someone's misplaced keys, I have given them back to the owner. I didn't realize I should have destroyed them! :waitasec:

Yea, who knew? The responsible thing to do is destroy them....heheheeheh, I think NOT!

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

MH told police this was something KC said to him in a phone call in early July.

Hmmm...I should say something on topic too. I think this "CMA" nonsense was an attempt to speak in code like Casey does, but it was a silly attempt. I think the only "coded" meaning was that he is an incredibly clever and James Bond-like dude who figured out that he could say things about "CMA" that were true about all the "CMAs" in his life. The fact that he could be so childish at his niece's memorial service is stunning to me.

It has been the opinion of many on WS that KC and LA have the mental and social skills of a 16 year old. It is like they were never allowed to mature beyond that point. Some folks have come to this conclusion not because of just one incident but of many both have displayed on video, in the media etc.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Like Seinfeld-isms! Great idea for a PL thread - some of them are positively teeshirt-worthy!

Absolutely!

 

[Friday]

Funny how the family all 'knew' that messages stated at the funeral could be relayed to KC, iirc she was only able to watch tv coverage in general population and I doubted they allowed coverage of the memorial as it was happening. Wonder if Kc has ever seen the footage of the memorial.

Shortly before that memorial (IIRC) JB made a statement on KC's behalf announcing among other things that the A's had cremated Caylee against KC's specific wishes. At that same time, didn't JB state that KC was not going to watch the memorial?

 

[Friday]

I know! And how would he have "destroyed" it anyway? Melted it down?

It is weird and I still wonder about it. Like you say, "don't worry, I already destroyed it". Why would he, how did he know, what was the key to, etc.

This is too funny--I thought I was the only one who was permanently "bugged" by those same meaningless things in the key conversation. When LA said he "destroyed" the key I tried to figure out how he would have melted it down, too. That reminded me of the guy who used to make spoons curl up by looking them. And that made envision the key on a table with Lee glaring hard at it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I also thought the "reach out" term was weird. Everyone seemed to be using it in the case, and also NG on TV!

I dunno about you but "Tot mom" drives me crazier than "reach out" does any day! LOL

 

[Friday]

I was shocked by his "CMA" speech, too. I found it so dramatic I had trouble watching it. I was sad for him though that he thought he could only address his sister secretly. That was very sad, and I think, probably indicative of the stress the family had been under with the people stalking their house, the intense media scrutiny, the feeling that LE wasn't really on their side or helping them, etc. If there was anything he wanted to say to Casey he should have said it openly, as in "I am so sorry you're not here Casey and that we can't be by your side today.", or whatever it was he was feeling, and sharing stories about good times in the past with Caylee and Casey and so on, or talking about the bond Caylee had with Casey or whatever. No need to omit Casey from the eulogy. But I didn't like the repeated "CMA, CMA" instead of just eulogizing Caylee. It did seem more about Casey's situation than about Caylee. The one part I could excuse was when he appealed to the public for information, I could understand that. MOO

To be honest, I sat in front of the television set growing more and more mesmerized by the memorial with each passing minute, and yet I was also beset by a slew of insignifcant details that caused a constant flow of distracting internal dialogue. For example, while Lee was giving his truly passionate, emotion-packed speech, I was bitterly blaming him for not wearing a jacket. When Cindy stood behind him, sort of patting him in a soothing supportive way, I was wondering why in hell she didn't order him to wear a jacket.

While Lee was addressing his remarks to the "CMAs" I tried to figure out which CMA he was talking to, then I got aggravated because the whole family insists on talking in tongues. When Lee was in tears, I felt terrible for him and filled with admiration because he wasn't afraid to show it, but then he started tearfully kissing his wrist, and as hard as I tried, I could not think of what religion it was where wrist-kissing was a religious gesture.

I'd noticed that the A's were wearing rather an inordinate amount of jewelry for such a somber occasion, but I pushed that thought aside as uncharitable. It wasn't until George was speaking that I finally hit on the fact that the jewelry must be cremation "jewelry," but unfortunately that realization coincided with George's request for letters to KC, which so offended me that I called him a "Moron" out loud.

When Cindy was on stage with the whole group of men, I cringed a bit at what seemed to be too little of her affection directed at George and too much of it directed at an unknown gentleman.... Underlying all of that was my totally unwanted, simmering sense of angry empathy with KC because Cindy had first totally blown off all KC's wishes and usurped her authority by cremating Caylee and throwing this huge public bash of a memorial---and then Cindy had the gall to stand on that stage and, dripping with maternal love, tell KC how very much Cindy wished she could put her arms around her and comfort her!

I found myself wondering angrily if this sort of unfair, emotional warfare hadn't been the story of KC's life. The next thing I knew, I was practically blaming Cindy for Caylee's death and thinking that if KC had killed Cindy rather than Caylee, it could have been justifyable homicide. By that time, Cindy had reclaimed the teddy bear which I realized undoubtedly contained Caylee's ashes and which had been reposing near a picture of KC -- Caylee's murderer.

I swore at Cindy for cremating Caylee and for trying to stuff a picture of KC's murderer down our collective throats, then I reached for the TV's remote control.

All in all, I derived neither comfort nor a sense of closure from that memorial. If anything, it had the reverse effect on me, although that is my particular problem and not the fault of the memorial itself.

 

[Friday]

I dunno about you but "Tot mom" drives me crazier than "reach out" does any day! LOL

Oh yes, absolutely.

Great--now "absolutely" grates on me, too. :banghead:

 

[Searchfortruth]

To be honest, I sat in front of the television set growing more and more mesmerized by the memorial with each passing minute, and yet I was also beset by a slew of insignifcant details that caused a constant flow of distracting internal dialogue. For example, while Lee was giving his truly passionate, emotion-packed speech, I was bitterly blaming him for not wearing a jacket. When Cindy stood behind him, sort of patting him in a soothing supportive way, I was wondering why in hell she didn't order him to wear a jacket.

While Lee was addressing his remarks to the "CMAs" I tried to figure out which CMA he was talking to, then I got aggravated because the whole family insists on talking in tongues. When Lee was in tears, I felt terrible for him and filled with admiration because he wasn't afraid to show it, but then he started tearfully kissing his wrist, and as hard as I tried, I could not think of what religion it was where wrist-kissing was a religious gesture.

I'd noticed that the A's were wearing rather an inordinate amount of jewelry for such a somber occasion, but I pushed that thought aside as uncharitable. It wasn't until George was speaking that I finally hit on the fact that the jewelry must be cremation "jewelry," but unfortunately that realization coincided with George's request for letters to KC, which so offended me that I called him a "Moron" out loud.

When Cindy was on stage with the whole group of men, I cringed a bit at what seemed to be too little of her affection directed at George and too much of it directed at an unknown gentleman.... Underlying all of that was my totally unwanted, simmering sense of angry empathy with KC because Cindy had first totally blown off all KC's wishes and usurped her authority by cremating Caylee and throwing this huge public bash of a memorial---and then Cindy had the gall to stand on that stage and, dripping with maternal love, tell KC how very much Cindy wished she could put her arms around her and comfort her!

I found myself wondering angrily if this sort of unfair, emotional warfare hadn't been the story of KC's life. The next thing I knew, I was practically blaming Cindy for Caylee's death and thinking that if KC had killed Cindy rather than Caylee, it could have been justifyable homicide. By that time, Cindy had reclaimed the teddy bear which I realized undoubtedly contained Caylee's ashes and which had been reposing near a picture of KC -- Caylee's murderer.

I swore at Cindy for cremating Caylee and for trying to stuff a picture of KC's murderer down our collective throats, then I reached for the TV's remote control.

All in all, I derived neither comfort nor a sense of closure from that memorial. If anything, it had the reverse effect on me, although that is my particular problem and not the fault of the memorial itself.

This post made my day Friday, thanks ! This is the craziest group of people I have ever come across ! Wrist-kissing...a religious gesture ? I will remember that one.

 

[nostoneunturned]

I wanted to express how much the memorial upset me..I imagined, the memorial would actually be about little Caylee. If her family,believed that Casey was wrongfully accused, they would not have felt as if they had to speak in tongues. I wanted them to act like they were not playing some part in some 2 bit play about a little girl that was murdered. I was sick when CA sat there holding the mic waiting to get to play her part" Good bye Caylee Marie" that made me sick then,makes me sick now.
How could, they be so dedicated to capturing the spotlight ,that the whole family could be willing to use the death and memorial as a springboard for more attention....and the whole time the memorial was going on "Breaking News about Haleigh Cummings was coming in." I always thought MC and Friends, longed for the attention, heard about the cash involved, thought about NC, LK and possibly a thought, became action. I don't know but I find most of the cases lately seem to have common threads...." I was at work" came home she was gone. Caylee sounds like Haleigh, young parents, drug use, "you are my sunshine' the blanket was wet, I washed it, Caylee's blanket was missing but never reported, SD blanket was covered in feces...all have set up foundations . I am sure there are more...someone should start a thread to list all the common factors between these child murders...are they copycatting hoping to get on NC...write a book or what IS going on?????

 

[nostoneunturned]

NC ( CNN,ABC,JVM,NG and all other News Channels) LK Larry King..