Let's Bring It Back Around

[Tricia]

I bet they do have a DNA match. I pray they do. Let this be over and the monster behind bars!

If they did have a DNA match at this time Lin Wood and John Ramsey would be all over TV, all over the world, screaming this.

The fact that Wood nor Ramsey will comment on it makes me believe it is not a match and they will try and downplay the value of the DNA. Just like many of us have downplayed it all along.

 

[Liz]

Hi Tricia!

IF they do have a DNA match, do you think that Lin Wood and John Ramsey would be privy to that info?

 

[Lurker Steve]

If they did have a DNA match at this time Lin Wood and John Ramsey would be all over TV, all over the world, screaming this.

The fact that Wood nor Ramsey will comment on it makes me believe it is not a match and they will try and downplay the value of the DNA. Just like many of us have downplayed it all along.

What if they haven't tested the DNA yet?

 

[rashomon]

Believe me, I won't take his family's word at face value. There needs to be rock solid proof that this guy was not in Boulder on the 25/26, 1996.

It SOUNDS like it's a good alibi but we have to wait and see.

My new Mantra is this; Michael Tracey is into this story up to his neck. Tracey is a liar and a fraud as we have proven. Since he is involved I know something is really not right about this whole thing.

If you are wondering who Tracey is please read here.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5292

Then, please read at the whole forum dedicated to Michael Tracey and his frauds.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=249

Tricia
PS. Michael Tracey is one of the people emailing with Karr along with Ramsey attorney Lin Wood and Patsy Ramsey. These emails were turned over to the Boulder D.A. which led to the arrest.

I wouldn't rule out foul play either, with characters like Lin Wood and Tracey involved. I can imagine quite a few pedophiles have been obsessed with JonBenet over the past years (remember the one investigators checked who had tons of her pictures in his cell), and this guy Karr who probably desperately wants to get out of Thai prison might have been an easy target for Team Ramsey to get a false confession.

 

[Jayelles]

Excellent point, scandi. Until I see the DATED photos, however, I am very skeptical of his family's claims they exist. He would have been smart to make certain he was in some 1996 Christmas photos. But when his brother told Greta that he didn't even know if his brother was still married or that he was in Thailand, well, I have my doubts.

I think you might find that if there are several independent alibis, it would be sufficient. Dated photos aren't evidence. You set the date on a camera. You can set it to whatever you want.

 

[MistyM]

"This guy Karr who probably desperately wants to get out of Thai prison might have been an easy target for Team Ramsey to get a false confession."

i think he was arrested at his apartment actually. he had just applied for a teaching job two days earlier.

i don't believe he was arrested originally for anything he did in thailand. but in california. they must have used it as an excuse to detain them, knowing he was pretty guilty of jonbenets murder.

 

[Jayelles]

Let's not forget that only a year or so ago, Michael Tracey & co were claiming that John Steven Gigax was the perp.

 

[scandi]

Hi Rashomon,

He hadn't been arrested yet by the Thai police, but was being investigated by Suwat for a sexual crime that took place at his apt. He was brought in on a warrant naming all those charges before the Thai got their investigation together, and because of that the Thai government revoked his Visa. No more Ginger for him!

Scandi

 

[julianne]

Couple things...


I read on Reuters that the suspect LIVED in Boulder at the time of the murder. So, if that is the case, that DOES place him in the area of the scene of the crime AT the time of the crime.

His ex-wife and brother DID NOT both state he was in Georgia at the time of the murder. They both gave conflicting statements---one of them said he was in Georgia, and the other one said he was in Alabama at the time of the murder! Don't remember which one said which, though----my brain is a bit mushy right now!

I am thinking they've got their man! Could be wrong, but obviously there has been no arrest for almost 10 years! LE has been mocked & laughed at for their failure to make an arrest for 10 years. IF they wanted to arrest someone for the sake of arresting someone and finally solving this case, they would've done it a long long time ago. I think that they have most likely make certain that all their T's are crossed and I's are dotted in this!

 

[Shelayne]

I think you might find that if there are several independent alibis, it would be sufficient. Dated photos aren't evidence. You set the date on a camera. You can set it to whatever you want.

True enough. But if the independent witnesses are family members going on their memory of Christmas from 10 years ago, then I am still skeptical.

If he knows things that only the perp would know and his DNA matches, it is GAME OVER.

 

[Shelayne]

Great points, julianne. I think you are right.

 

[julianne]

Fascinating how all the Ramsey supporters are doing their somersaults of joy before even knowing if that guy has an airtight alibi for the night in question.

What's so fascinating about it? This is a MAJOR MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH....it's not like there has been numerous people arrested over the years for this! This is the first potential REAL break in the case....So, yeah, the "Ramsey supporters" are jumping for joy knowing there is finally a potential huge break in the case. It hasn't happend in 10 years! I would think that the "Non Ramsey Supporters" (I don't know the acronym you guys use for the people who think the Ramsey's are guilty, but I know there is one, lol) would ALSO be at least happpy that there is a POTENTIAL end to the mystery!

 

[Shelayne]

Let's not forget that only a year or so ago, Michael Tracey & co were claiming that John Steven Gigax was the perp.

That is true, but he was never arrested was he?

 

[srvfan]

I can't believe it may finally be over! I had totally given up on this case ever being solved. I pray that this will finally be an end to this.

 

[julianne]

Before everyone starts to really believe this is the guy I want to point out a couple of things.

If they had a match on the DNA then Wood, Ramsey, and their whole team would be SCREAMING IT. That would be the end of the story. All she wrote. Done deal. Nothing else would matter.

His ex-wife and brother have both said Karr spent the Christmas Holiday, meaning the 25th and 26th, with the family in Georgia. They have pictures and such to prove it.

All of the people who put so much stock in the DNA...I would like to ask you something. If Karr's DNA doesn't match should he be let go?

It doesn't match. Mark my words.

Tricia, with all due respect ( I don't want to piss off the Chief Boss around here, lol ....how can you be sooo solid & sure in your opinion at this stage in the game? You HAVE to agree that it is really possible that they've got the guy!!! Sure, it's possible they DON'T....but it's possible they DO, too!

Ex wife & brother gave conflicting statements as to where suspect was the night of the murder. One said Georgia, the other said Alabama. What's that all about?

They didn't say they have pictures to prove it. The brother said he was going to try to look through some family photos to see if he could find photos from then.

I think that with this high-profile case, it is ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE that they have done DNA testing & are simply withholding that information for the time being. I see what you are saying when you say they would be screaming it out to everyone if there was a DNA match....but I don't necessarily think that is the case AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME. Remember, this information has only been out for what, 12 hours now? Shoot, maybe we haven't heard anything about DNA because they are under a gag order regarding any talk about DNA for right now? It's possible.....There's so much going on behind the scenes that we all have NO CLUE of.....

 

[Jayelles]

I think it is demeaning to suggest that ANYONE isn't jumping with joy at the thought that the monster who killed JonBenet has been caught at last.

Regardless of anyone's theory about the case - we all wanted justice for JonBenet.

We should be cautious though - there has been false hope in other cases (Elizabeth Smart for example). I really hope this is it - last night I would have cracked open a bottle of champagne if I'd had company to drink it with but this morning, I am feeling a little bit flatter. As details emerge, it seems that the arrest of this perp just raises more questions. I always felt that when an arrest would be made I would think "Yes! This makes sense" - but it doesn't. The evidence all suggested someone amiliar to the family - a local person or a loner - someone who could slip out unnoticed on Christmas Day. Yet this guy was a married man with kids who lived in Alabama?????? Plus there are conflicting reports which are suggesting that any link he had with Boulder was tenuous or brief. His ex-wife seems to hate him, but she says he spent Christmas 96 with the family....in either Alabama or Atlanta.

Meanwhile, the guy is giving press interviews and saying that he and JonBenet were "in love with each other".

Most worrying of all is the possibility that he's had some kind of e-mail relationship with Michael Tracey - whose pro-Ramsey spin and misinformation is legendary!!! Tracey has already produced one documentary framing the wrong guy for the murder.

One wonders just what will come of this.

 

[Jayelles]

That is true, but he was never arrested was he?

Gigax was never arrested becasue he was never a suspect. When he found out that he was being fingered for the murder, he immediately contacted the DA's office and demanded a DNA test to prove his innocence. He was told that he wasn't a suspect.

 

[julianne]

"Most worrying of all is the possibility that he's had some kind of e-mail relationship with Michael Tracey - whose pro-Ramsey spin and misinformation is legendary!!! Tracey has already produced one documentary framing the wrong guy for the murder"----Jayelles


I missed that one. Where has it been stated that there could be or is any connection between Michael Tracey and Karr? Was this on TV or a news site?

 

[Jayelles]

"Most worrying of all is the possibility that he's had some kind of e-mail relationship with Michael Tracey - whose pro-Ramsey spin and misinformation is legendary!!! Tracey has already produced one documentary framing the wrong guy for the murder"----Jayelles


I missed that one. Where has it been stated that there could be or is any connection between Michael Tracey and Karr? Was this on TV or a news site?

It was reported on Radio Scotland (yes - really!) that he had some kind of e-mail communication with someone in Boulder. Tricia is claiming Michael Tracey was involved:-

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7166

 

[Jayelles]

Here's the source of the link to Michael Tracey:-


Says that the communication began four years ago:-

Since then, Karr and Tracey swapped hundreds of e-mails in an exchange that led the Boulder County District Attorney's Office on Wednesday to name Karr as the prime suspect in the murder of 6-year-old JonBenet almost 10 years ago.

"Michael Tracey was instrumental in this investigation," said Susan Stine, a close and longtime Ramsey family friend who spent considerable time with them through Patsy Ramsey's losing battle with cancer. "He was instrumental in flushing this person out in the sense of getting him to talk," Stine added. "(The suspect) was in e-mail communication with Michael over a period of (time), and that helped to develop the case."

Oh yes - Michael Tracey has been on John Karr's trail for four years - yet two years ago he was sooo suspicious of John Karr that he made a documentary claiming that John Steven Gigax was the murderer!!!