Let's List Evidence That Ties Casey To The Crime Scene...

[Steely Dan]

I think it will be very hard to prove first degree murder. First degree murder would mean that she intentionally murdered Caylee. For some reason, I don't think she ever intended to murder her. I think it was an accident, and then she lied her way through this thing to get out of it, but her lies have back fired.

I think the duct tape proves intention. JMO

 

[Laidbacksal]

I think the duct tape proves intention. JMO

Please explain. How do you know it wasn't applied later?

 

[Solace]

Please explain. How do you know it wasn't applied later?

Please explain why it would be applied later.

 

[logicalgirl]

Please explain. How do you know it wasn't applied later?

Dr. G., the medical examiner/coroner's report clearly stated it was placed on the child before decomp, which begins immediately after death, began. Websleuths has a ton of info in the myth busters and evidence info threads.

 

[LambChop]

I think it will be very hard to prove first degree murder. First degree murder would mean that she intentionally murdered Caylee. For some reason, I don't think she ever intended to murder her. I think it was an accident, and then she lied her way through this thing to get out of it, but her lies have back fired.

Ohhhhh. You need to look at the Blockbuster video. Only someone cold hearted would react that way after accidentally killing her daughter. jmo

 

[RaineInMD]

I too, used to think that caylees death was an accident (or should I say unintentional),and that the duct tape was placed on caylee right after death to make it seem in keeping with the kidnapping story she was creating in her mind to tell everyone for caylees disappearance. Now I believe it was intentional after seeing and listening to caseys demeanor afterwards...there is absolutely no love, remorse or any emotion for caylee (except anger as in the first phone call where casey claims thats all anyone cares about is caylee). Even if the death was unintentional, as in overdosing caylee and therefore having to create the kidnapping story because she doesnt want anyone to know she overdosed her, her reaction to caylees death should still have been one of devastation. But there hasnt even been one tear shed for Caylee...instead we see and hear just the opposite. Thats what leads me to believe it was intentional. I also agree that there is something very wrong with Casey mentally - she has no emotional attachment to anyone. She feels nothing except for herself. She goes way beyond just being a liar. But, even though I feel she is seriously mentally ill, she is still capable of knowing right from wrong and therefore she belongs in jail for murdering her daughter. jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think it will be very hard to prove first degree murder. First degree murder would mean that she intentionally murdered Caylee. For some reason, I don't think she ever intended to murder her. I think it was an accident, and then she lied her way through this thing to get out of it, but her lies have back fired.

I might have thought that without there being the "household weapons" "neck breaking" and "chloroform" searches. Then the chloroform in the trunk...immediate giveaway imo.

 

[Solace]

Dr. G., the medical examiner/coroner's report clearly stated it was placed on the child before decomp, which begins immediately after death, began. Websleuths has a ton of info in the myth busters and evidence info threads.

That should tell you a lot (other poster). This is intentional murder.

 

[debs]

That should tell you a lot (other poster). This is intentional murder.

Pre-decomp is not the same as pre-mortem. Dr G's statement doesn't say whether Caylee was taped and suffocated, or died and the tape was placed on Caylee after death....for whatever reason.

 

[Solace]

Pre-decomp is not the same as pre-mortem. Dr G's statement doesn't say whether Caylee was taped and suffocated, or died and the tape was placed on Caylee after death....for whatever reason.

She says the homicide.

 

[Solace]

Please don't rephrase or try to state what I think, LOL. Thank you.
Prisons have lots of mentally ill people in them. Some of them committed crimes, too.

I don't know whether Casey is the one who harmed Caylee or not. What I said is that I think she sounded delusional, illogical, and confused during her interviews with LE. She sounded dreamlike and seemed to be mixing up events past and present (i.e. thinking she was back in 2006 in some ways). Her affect was not appropriate to the situation. She also didn't offer any simple convenient lie or story to defend herself such as "a stranger took Caylee and told me if I told LE they would kill her". She made odd statements that didn't make sense. The detectives noticed how illogical her statements sounded and were checking out to be, that's why they asked her if she'd been committed at the mental hospital before.

She is a sociopath - who says what she wants at the moment and hopes it will work and apparently it did with Cindy and George for years, especially Cindy. Which is why Cindy is adament that KC is innocent, because if she admits she did it, then she KNOWS that she Cindy is responsible. Cindy has told Ryan Paisley to stay away from her that she is a sociopath. KC did exactly what a sociopath does during her interview. If you notice at the end of th einterview when Melich and Allen leave, the other detective questions her (intentionally) and one question is are you in college and she said Valencia. Still lying. He knew the answer - just wanted to see how much she lies.

 

[grammieto5]

After reading all of the responses to the question, "List Evidence that Ties Casey to the Crime Scene", I am seeing mostly things that scream out Casey is guilty and I agree 100%.
But, we are looking for something that directly ties her to that particular spot on Suburban Dr. What proof has been found that she walked on those grounds?

WOW, this is really interesting, I can just see KC's lawyer asking this question in his opening statement, where is the proof my client was at the crime scene, (if) there is no proof of her being there then she must be innocent. I sure hope this isn't how it works!!!!

 

[whiteangora]

WOW, this is really interesting, I can just see KC's lawyer asking this question in his opening statement, where is the proof my client was at the crime scene, (if) there is no proof of her being there then she must be innocent. I sure hope this isn't how it works!!!!

bbm

My statement was mostly trying to keep the thread on track, it seemed to wander at times.
Don't worry, there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury that Casey killed Caylee. I am just very curious as to what the SA will say to prove that Casey dumped her baby in those woods.

 

[Sun]

bbm

My statement was mostly trying to keep the thread on track, it seemed to wander at times.
Don't worry, there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury that Casey killed Caylee. I am just very curious as to what the SA will say to prove that Casey dumped her baby in those woods.

If the State can prove that Caylee's body was in the trunk of Casey's car, then do they really have to have any proof as to "who" did dump Caylee's body at the Suburban site?

 

[grammieto5]

bbm

My statement was mostly trying to keep the thread on track, it seemed to wander at times.
Don't worry, there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury that Casey killed Caylee. I am just very curious as to what the SA will say to prove that Casey dumped her baby in those woods.

I'm very curious also. I just can't figure out how and when Caylee was place in the woods. I think about it a lot! This is why I think KC had help. I wish I knew what the SA knows Only 9 more months and then we'll all know everything!

 

[whiteangora]

If the State can prove that Caylee's body was in the trunk of Casey's car, then do they really have to have any proof as to "who" did dump Caylee's body at the Suburban site?

From everything JB and co has said so far, they want to try to convince a jury that somebody else put Caylee there. If they can convince a jury of that, then there could be reasonable doubt as to who the murderer was.

 

[Sun]

From everything JB and co has said so far, they want to try to convince a jury that somebody else put Caylee there. If they can convince a jury of that, then there could be reasonable doubt as to who the murderer was.

What would the defense use to convince a jury that somebody else put Caylee there? I've seen no reciprocal discovery from the defense that would lead to this conclusion.

IMO, there is some indication that "the Anthonys, (all or some)" knew approx. where the remains were, well before Dec 11. Along with a few others.

 

[whiteangora]

What would the defense use to convince a jury that somebody else put Caylee there? I've seen no reciprocal discovery from the defense that would lead to this conclusion.

IMO, there is some indication that "the Anthonys, (all or some)" knew approx. where the remains were, well before Dec 11. Along with a few others.

The defense fought a long, hard battle to get a hold of the searchers records from TES. JB claims that Casey was in jail when Caylee was put in the woods. This is very contrary to what Tim Miller stated when he said that area could not be searched because of high water.
Even though they may be able to get a searcher to claim the area was searched and they did not see Caylee, that still does not mean she was not there.........only that the searcher did not see her.
AFAIC, JB has NO defense and all he can do throughout the trial is try to raise reasonable doubt.

 

[Dells]

I really don't consider the site where Caylee's remains were found to be the 'crime scene' per se, that was just the place where her murderer ultimately dumped her remains. I think being out in the elements for 6+ months would have washed away most of the evidence tying the person responsible to the murder anyway. I think Caylee herself is the biggest piece of evidence tying Casey to the crime. Caylee was her 2 year old daughter that should have been in her possession at all times, and Casey was the last verified person to be seen w/her. That is huge. There is plenty of other evidence that ties Casey to Caylee's murder. The biggest thing is the trunk of her car that held Caylee's decomposing body, among many other things.

 

[Sun]

The defense fought a long, hard battle to get a hold of the searchers records from TES. JB claims that Casey was in jail when Caylee was put in the woods. This is very contrary to what Tim Miller stated when he said that area could not be searched because of high water.
Even though they may be able to get a searcher to claim the area was searched and they did not see Caylee, that still does not mean she was not there.........only that the searcher did not see her.
AFAIC, JB has NO defense and all he can do throughout the trial is try to raise reasonable doubt.

That's just it... Baez "claims." I don't see any thing to back that up.

Shucks, I wak through the woods every Spring in search of tasty wild mushrooms, and I know all too well that doesn't mean that they aren't there. I can wak right past them, and until someone points them out to me, I didn't see them.