Let's List Evidence That Ties Casey To The Crime Scene...

[Spangle]

So coincidental those dead squirrels just happened to climb up into the engine at the same time little Caylee lay decomposing in the trunk. MOO

Yes, isn't it tho.. I"m sure the jury will think so as well.

IT shows the death smell, long before Cindy tells the 911 op that the car smells like Death. That it STILL smelled like death.

 

[txsvicki]

I've probably already posted way back on this thread, but George, Jesse, Tony, friends, and cell phone pings never place her away from Caylee that afternoon and the car never out of her possession until she ditched it much later after Caylee was last seen by George and after she'd complained and told Amy about the dead squirrel smell. Premeditation can be proven by the computer searches especially the missing child and chloroform site, the fake Nanny which Cindy says she mentioned for awhile, the little book with fake phone numbers, the theft from Amy, and the plan to visit the marine in california. Planning online, having a plan and gathering money, plus having an escape after ditching the car is plenty of evidence. I just hope to learn what went wrong with ditching the vehicle or if she chickened out at the last minute with a stage carjacking or abduction.

 

[pip]

All ready had standing water in the area at that time.

I thought it was still dry until mid August when Fay hit. :waitasec:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

and Ike hit right after that...seems there was standing water up until 1-1 1/2 weeks before Caylee's remains were found...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[pip]

and Ike hit right after that...seems there was standing water up until 1-1 1/2 weeks before Caylee's remains were found...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

But wasn't it still dry from July 15th to mid August?, or was it in water already at that time?

 

[Spangle]

But wasn't it still dry from July 15th to mid August?, or was it in water already at that time?

Which points directly to why it helps to drag this case out.

The way "I" remember that summer, it was a wet and soggy. I constantly had water in the drive way (which is a pain). The storms just add to the standing water.

I remember, cause I have been following this case from the get go. Not all summers are that wet, with standing water constantly. A jury might not remember or recall what it was like. Since it will be a long time away from those Months. Nothing personal to connect their personal memorys and understanding to what is being said in the courtroom. But for me, I posted early about this, so I have had some thoughts on this, way back when.

 

[pip]

Which points directly to why it helps to drag this case out.

The way "I" remember that summer, it was a wet and soggy. I constantly had water in the drive way (which is a pain). The storms just add to the standing water.

I remember, cause I have been following this case from the get go. Not all summers are that wet, with standing water constantly. A jury might not remember or recall what it was like. Since it will be a long time away from those Months. Nothing personal to connect their personal memorys and understanding to what is being said in the courtroom. But for me, I posted early about this, so I have had some thoughts on this, way back when.

So those woods were already underwater in July is what you are saying? I searched for the info and can't find it..not that it matters much now.. but I always thought had they just looked around home from the get go, they would have found her..I thought is was still dry there until mid August, but I don't know.

 

[Spangle]

I guess I should explain better. LOL! Those areas are used to naturally 'hold' rain water. So that it will naturally soak into the earth. When the area has been flooded, it takes awhile for the water to soak into the earth. Or if the area is getting a constant supply of water, same thing.

That summer was a wet summer. We were getting a good constant supply of rain water. Areas like where the body was found, would have been 'wet' most of the time. Maybe not knee deep, but soggy for sure. Some ares might have standing water.

Throw in a storm, on an all ready 'soaked' ground.. and there is no where for the water to go, but to set and wait. Faye was a named storm that everyone heard about and remembers. But there are regular storms, etc. And what I call the 3 O'Clock daily sprinkle..

Sooo, the area she was found, was a nasty area even before Faye. Faye just really added to it and made it take longer to dry out.

 

[Spangle]

So those woods were already underwater in July is what you are saying? I searched for the info and can't find it..not that it matters much now.. but I always thought had they just looked around home from the get go, they would have found her..I thought is was still dry there until mid August, but I don't know.

Depends on what you mean by "underwater." I don't mean to sound snarky, but I'm serious. Swampy areas are not really deep areas. But they can have dry sections, then a wet hole, etc. Snakey areas, that folks just don't wander into. Looking at the LE drawings of the land for that area, it looks like that right besides the road, it is a very low area that water would settle in. The area behind that might be higher land. But a person would run into that 'water' and think it would all be that deep or deeper.

You know what I mean? They would think it was unpassable.

Hence, the reports of folks following the fenced area, back to the pond area. That land was 'high' ground and more or less 'cleared' land. No underground shrubs, etc, to deal with. Not so scary areas. I"ve noticed in the past, the defense bring up these reports, and it makes it sound like the whole area was 'searched' or was able to be searched. But those wasn't the same paths that would bring a person across where the remains were found.

 

[pip]

Depends on what you mean by "underwater." I don't mean to sound snarky, but I'm serious. Swampy areas are not really deep areas. But they can have dry sections, then a wet hole, etc. Snakey areas, that folks just don't wander into. Looking at the LE drawings of the land for that area, it looks like that right besides the road, it is a very low area that water would settle in. The area behind that might be higher land. But a person would run into that 'water' and think it would all be that deep or deeper.

You know what I mean? They would think it was unpassable.

Hence, the reports of folks following the fenced area, back to the pond area. That land was 'high' ground and more or less 'cleared' land. No underground shrubs, etc, to deal with. Not so scary areas.

Gotcha, thanks for explaining. No snarky noted on your part..
I wasn't sure about the July conditions.. I just remember thinking DANG, I wish they would have searched around home right away!

 

[Laidbacksal]

I think if it was an accident there would not have been 3 pieces of duct tape wrapped across her little mouth and nose - just the horror of knowing that her murderer placed duct tape across Caylee's little face, will be enough to convince some that this had to be Murder 1, it may even be enough to convince someone on the fence re the death penalty that ICA (if convicted) deserves the ultimate punishment. Or convince those that believe it was an accidental death - that the death occurred during another crime, child abuse - which is still murder.

I guess you didn't read further along in the forum to see that I had changed my stance. After reseaching all the information out there, I came to the conclusion that ICA is a cold hearted @$%#.

 

[pip]

Thinking about the items from the garage in the Anthony home. The duct tape, the garbage bags, the laundry bag. (The garage, George's domain?) The heart sticker placed on the mouth makes it very personal, almost familial, given the victim is only a toddler without other close connections.. And of course, to tie it all together, KC claims George molested her. Do you think she was plotting to blame George from the beginning and 'staged' the body with these items to hopefully implicate him? It has been very apparent she hates him over the course of the info disclosed. Maybe to KC he was the perfect target to for blame for Caylee's death from the get go.

 

[strawberry]

This may be a little OT but where the heck are are the docs that were given to the D team in the last few weeks! I want a dump! I thought it would be this week for sure...

 

[ThinkTank]

This may be a little OT but where the heck are are the docs that were given to the D team in the last few weeks! I want a dump! I thought it would be this week for sure...

We are still waiting ......

MuzikMan got this info

07/22/2010 Provision of Discovery
1. CD - Discovery Documents Pages 20141-22672 (Pgs 20152-20385 are Letters to Casey Anthony) (Pgs 20425-22672 are Dominick Casey Emails) Received
2. CD - Brandon Sparks Cell Records 2008
3. CD - Orange County Jail Calls RE: Robyn Adams, 12/11/08 - 12/20/08
4. CD - Federal Jail Calls RE: Robyn Adams, 01/27/10 - 41/12/10
5. CD - Statement of Clyde Cole Received
6. CD - Mandy Albriton Int. Pt. 2 07/02/10
7. CD - Audio of Erica Gonzalez; Kronk work & phone records Received ;transcripts (Lee, Gonzalez, McDonnell, Neally)

07/29/2010 Provision of Discovery
DVD - Cynthia Anthony --- 7-31-08 Eric Edwards, Yuri Melich
(previously disclosed of availability on the Notice of Provision of Supplemental Discovery dated October 24, 2008)

8/10/2010 . . . . Notice of Provision of Supplemental Discovery
Property Form (Page 22692)

08/27/2010 Provision of Discovery
l. CD-R - Supplemental CD from Cpl Melich dated 7/27110.
2. CD-R - OCCD IA Report Sylvia Hernandez.

08/30/2010 Provision of Discovery
I. DVD-R-EvidenceReview 7113/10-7/14/10 Chem Room Camera 1, lof4.
2. DVD-R - Evidence Review 7/13/10-7114/10 Chem Room Camera 1,2 of 4.
3. DVD-R -Evidence Review 71J3/JO-7114/10 Chem Room Camera 1, 3 of4.
4. DVD-R -Evidence Review 7/13110-7114110 Chem Room Camera-I, 4 of4.
5. DVD-R-EvidenceReview 7113/10-7/14/10 West Gal'age Camera 2, lofl .
6. DVD-R - Evidence Review 7/13110-7114/10 East Garage Camera J, 10f4.
7. DVD-R-Evidence Review 7/13/10-7/14110 East Garage Camera 3,2 of4.
8. DVD-R - Evidence Review 7/13/10-7114110 East Garage Camera 3,3 Of 4.
9. DVb-R - Evidence Review 7/13/ J 0-711411 0 East Garage Camera 2 & 3, 4 of 4.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think it's very likely that the Anthonys knew the general location of Caylee's remains, but not the exact spot. Hence sending DC to search that area.

By the same token that there's no physical evidence (that we know of) of Casey at the remains site - DNA or fingerprints, there's no evidence of anyone else at the remains site. It will be very difficult for the defense to suggest an accomplice with no evidence beyond speculation.

I think it will be far easier for the state to prove that Caylee's body was in the trunk of Casey's car prior to that car being abandoned on June 27, 2008. Since there's no physical evidence, DNA or fingerprints, of someone other than the Anthony family in the car, this is what will determine Casey's guilt.

I've often wondered about that statement - "Cindy sent DC to search that area looking for Caylee's body." Do we have any statements besides Cindy's puffed up self important one saying "her people had searched that area" to confirm Cindy actually sent DC there?

Has DC confirmed it in a deposition and I've just forgotten it? If so, can anyone who remembers more precisely than I have - point me in the direction of a pdf or youtube clip - with thanks in advance.

I know we assumed Cindy was master of all the searching for Caylee, but after the recent emails we've seen, that doesn't necessarily seem to be true - the ones between Ginny, Luke and DC to me looked like they were deciding what was what and giving Cindy info to leak to the media.

Would love to see the "Cindy sent" confirmed for my own interest.

 

[ks1]

I've probably already posted way back on this thread, but George, Jesse, Tony, friends, and cell phone pings never place her away from Caylee that afternoon and the car never out of her possession until she ditched it much later after Caylee was last seen by George and after she'd complained and told Amy about the dead squirrel smell. Premeditation can be proven by the computer searches especially the missing child and chloroform site, the fake Nanny which Cindy says she mentioned for awhile, the little book with fake phone numbers, the theft from Amy, and the plan to visit the marine in california. Planning online, having a plan and gathering money, plus having an escape after ditching the car is plenty of evidence. I just hope to learn what went wrong with ditching the vehicle or if she chickened out at the last minute with a stage carjacking or abduction.

I bet Cindy will be shocked to learn that by telling LE that KC had mentioned Zanny for awhile that she actually contributed to evidence of premeditation when in fact she was trying to show KC's innocence and lay blame on the imagi-nanny!

 

[jon_burrows]

So those woods were already underwater in July is what you are saying? I searched for the info and can't find it..not that it matters much now.. but I always thought had they just looked around home from the get go, they would have found her..I thought is was still dry there until mid August, but I don't know.

BBM-If I remember correctly Casey's cell was pinging from some heavily wooded areas near the airport. Apparently it was out of the ordinary for her to be at those particular places and a perfect place to hide a body--which is why so much effort was put into searching those areas. Casey may have planned to dump Caylee's body there but changed her mind (who knows).

Although it seems simple now that Caylee wasn't found earlier, it really was like finding a needle in a hay stack. If you look at a bird's eye view of her neighborhood there are lots of wooded areas. I seem to recall a neighbor saying the area where she was found was almost always under water during the summer months.

The worst part regarding the search was Casey had a 31 day head start. Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within 2-3 weeks so searchers were literally looking for tiny bones in heavily wooded areas and water. No one really knew if she dumped her on land, a pond, or a lake. A cell ping is only accurate if she has the phone with her. She could have simply left it at home when she disposed of the body.

If someone had known Caylee was missing within the first few days of her death I think she would have been found. Scent dogs could have been sent out immediately while the smell was stronger. But then again, she was triple bagged so I'm not sure how that would factor into the smell. If Caylee had been found within days, I think Casey's fingerprints would have been all over that duct tape and heart sticker.

The bottom line is Casey had a lot of time on her side. It's a shame Caylee was missing for 31 days before anyone knew, especially considering she lived with her grandparents since birth.

IMO

 

[LolaMoon08]

BBM-If I remember correctly Casey's cell was pinging from some heavily wooded areas near the airport. Apparently it was out of the ordinary for her to be at those particular places and a perfect place to hide a body--which is why so much effort was put into searching those areas. Casey may have planned to dump Caylee's body there but changed her mind (who knows).

Although it seems simple now that Caylee wasn't found earlier, it really was like finding a needle in a hay stack. If you look at a bird's eye view of her neighborhood there are lots of wooded areas. I seem to recall a neighbor saying the area where she was found was almost always under water during the summer months.

The worst part regarding the search was Casey had a 31 day head start. Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within 2-3 weeks so searchers were literally looking for tiny bones in heavily wooded areas and water. No one really knew if she dumped her on land, a pond, or a lake. A cell ping is only accurate if she has the phone with her. She could have simply left it at home when she disposed of the body.

If someone had known Caylee was missing within the first few days of her death I think she would have been found. Scent dogs could have been sent out immediately while the smell was stronger. But then again, she was triple bagged so I'm not sure how that would factor into the smell. If Caylee had been found within days, I think Casey's fingerprints would have been all over that duct tape and heart sticker.

The bottom line is Casey had a lot of time on her side. It's a shame Caylee was missing for 31 days before anyone knew, especially considering she lived with her grandparents since birth.

IMO

Great post!!

The SA is going to make sure that the jury knows that by the time Casey, oops, I mean Cindy reported Caylee missing, Caylee was no longer, physically, the beautiful wide-eyed baby we were seeing on our television screens.

She had been sitting in that swamp-like wooded area for at least 29 days (I'm putting into account that Caylee was left in the trunk for 2 days). By the time people were searching for Caylee, and I hate to be so graphic, animals had already gotten to her. Her little bones were scattered all over the place.

The jury will see the pictures of Caylee's remains how they were found. They will see just how hard it would be to see them in the Florida swamp-like area that Caylee was in. They will see how tiny her bones were. They will see just how scattered she was. I'm thinking it would be a smart move to take them out to the Suburban site just so they can see for themselves.

One good thing is that the jury will be convinced that Caylee was no longer alive prior to June 27th, 2008. I say the 27th because that is the last time Casey had physical contact with her car before it was towed. IMO, the evidence proves that a dead Caylee was in that trunk. The last person to be seen with an alive Caylee was Casey Anthony.

I'm sure that other forensic evidence will prove that Caylee was in those woods in June 2008. Plants, bugs, animal activity, etc... but the strongest evidence that proves that Caylee was dead in June 2008 comes from Casey's car. IMO. Which means that she was not in jail when Caylee's remains were discarded like the defense is trying to say.

 

[LCoastMom]

BBM-If I remember correctly Casey's cell was pinging from some heavily wooded areas near the airport. Apparently it was out of the ordinary for her to be at those particular places and a perfect place to hide a body--which is why so much effort was put into searching those areas. Casey may have planned to dump Caylee's body there but changed her mind (who knows).

Although it seems simple now that Caylee wasn't found earlier, it really was like finding a needle in a hay stack. If you look at a bird's eye view of her neighborhood there are lots of wooded areas. I seem to recall a neighbor saying the area where she was found was almost always under water during the summer months.

The worst part regarding the search was Casey had a 31 day head start. Caylee's body would have been completely skeletonized within 2-3 weeks so searchers were literally looking for tiny bones in heavily wooded areas and water. No one really knew if she dumped her on land, a pond, or a lake. A cell ping is only accurate if she has the phone with her. She could have simply left it at home when she disposed of the body.

If someone had known Caylee was missing within the first few days of her death I think she would have been found. Scent dogs could have been sent out immediately while the smell was stronger. But then again, she was triple bagged so I'm not sure how that would factor into the smell. If Caylee had been found within days, I think Casey's fingerprints would have been all over that duct tape and heart sticker.

The bottom line is Casey had a lot of time on her side. It's a shame Caylee was missing for 31 days before anyone knew, especially considering she lived with her grandparents since birth.

IMO

BBM I completely agree, there were way too many places, even within a 5 mile radius of home - where Caylee could have been - with a 31 day head start, it is almost a miracle that she was found at all. Had she not been left to the elements for 6 months, it is very likely there would have been a ton of trace on the tape and finger prints on the sticker.

Do we know exactly how far RK went into the "swamp" before he called OCSD, the first time, back in late summer/early fall? There was some talk of him claiming to having seen a white dome shaped item in the bag - Was he actually back there to relieve himself or was he looking for Caylee on a hunch?

The way the area has been described, I would have needed to "go" pretty darn bad, to even consider walking back into the woods far enough to know I couldn't be seen from the street - should some kid happen by. Or to even walk back to where she was ultimately found, while searching on my own.

I believe the search dog, traveling with the psychic became ill where he did, because of Caylee's remains - then there was the bag of toys taken from another area very close by - precious baby girl was trying hard to be found...

 

[pip]

I wonder how much the FBI has kicked themselves in the butt for not photgraphing the heart outline on the duct tape before it was destroyed in other testing. I think it was a very significant piece of evidence. It really brings it home...back to KC, more specifically. It would not make sense in a stranger abduction. I hope they can convince jurors of it's existence without actual photgraphs.