Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[Dear Prudence]

Your wife doesn't separate her identity as different and outside of what Casey does. She spent a great deal of time describing to me what kind of mother she was, down to details of her discipline, how she packed a bag for her kids, how she potty trained. Unable to see Casey as a wholly separate person, she wanted to illustrate to me that Casey couldn't have done this, because SHE couldn't have done this. Casey loved her child because SHE loves her children. Admitting , even to herself, that Casey harmed her baby is tantamount in her mind to her having hurt the baby. The no, no, no NOT MY CHILD, THE CHILD I RAISED.... is actually a common phenomenon. Indeed the jury is often instructed if they deem a witness to have a clear bias , such as this, they of course can set aside their testimony. She is in denial and it does appear to be quite an emotional block. That being said...you sir and I know her prism is not factual, all of Casey's lies, all of the evidence, all of the stories utterly make no sense, yet mom regurgitates them, and endorses them with no awareness of how they are just as silly , the second time around and easily disprovable as they were when they came out of Casey's mouth.


I don't think the agent said the above - he may mean it but I don't think he would be that blunt to George. Am I write that this is TWAs translation of what the FBI agent meant?

Or maybe I am wrong. Anyone?

I think you're right. Before those paragraphs, TWA writes "my take on what he said" meaning it's her interpretation of what the FBI agent said.

 

[Leila]

I just want to add some thoughts about Jose Baez not allowing Casey to write to her parents, and him not permitting jail house visits by her parents.

Those few jail house visits by the parents that were video taped and were eventually released to the public are very damaging to his client. They showed grieving grandparents, and a stone-cold client, who lost her temper and showed the world what a violent temper she has. Any attorney would want to prohibit this sort of adverse publicity for his client.

Jose could counsel all parties that their visits and letters are made public and he would allow jail house visits and allow Casey to write letters to them if everyone would realize that they're being recorded for public release and strictly adhere to the rules he makes.

Jose Baez would tell all parties that they cannot discuss Caylee or the case at all. Their conversation and letters can include discussion of what relatives are doing, the weather, food, pets, activities, etc.

But, I think there's also another reason why Jose Baez is not allowing jail house visits and Casey to write letters. I think he likely reads George and Cindy's letters to Casey before they're given to her too.

Remember that back in August of 2008 Casey agreed to meet privately with her father and that was called off at the last minute because Jose Baez stopped the meeting from taking place? I remember that at that time, George had reservations about Jose's qualifications as an attorney.

I think Jose is worried that George and Cindy might encourage Casey to fire Jose and get a better attorney. We all know there's far more qualified defense attorneys in Orlando. Jose can't walk away from this case by law, but he can be fired. If he were fired, it would be very damaging to his career as an attorney, and in all likelihood, his career would be destroyed.

 

[Solace]

I just want to add some thoughts about Jose Baez not allowing Casey to write to her parents, and him not permitting jail house visits by her parents.

Those few jail house visits by the parents that were video taped and were eventually released to the public are very damaging to his client. They showed grieving grandparents, and a stone-cold client, who lost her temper and showed the world what a violent temper she has. Any attorney would want to prohibit this sort of adverse publicity for his client.

Jose could counsel all parties that their visits and letters are made public and he would allow jail house visits and allow Casey to write letters to them if everyone would realize that they're being recorded for public release and strictly adhere to the rules he makes.

Jose Baez would tell all parties that they cannot discuss Caylee or the case at all. Their conversation and letters can include discussion of what relatives are doing, the weather, food, pets, activities, etc.

But, I think there's also another reason why Jose Baez is not allowing jail house visits and Casey to write letters. I think he likely reads George and Cindy's letters to Casey before they're given to her too.

Remember that back in August of 2008 Casey agreed to meet privately with her father and that was called off at the last minute because Jose Baez stopped the meeting from taking place? I remember that at that time, George had reservations about Jose's qualifications as an attorney.

I think Jose is worried that George and Cindy might encourage Casey to fire Jose and get a better attorney. We all know there's far more qualified defense attorneys in Orlando. Jose can't walk away from this case by law, but he can be fired. If he were fired, it would be very damaging to his career as an attorney, and in all likelihood, his career would be destroyed.

I don't think so. I think it is more likely that George might say if you don't admit this, you don't have a chance, if you do, you have a chance at living. Something along those lines, especially now after the sexual abuse charges.

Also, we all know that CINDY KNOWS Casey killed Caylee, this is why she is constantly guilting her in her letters constantly. He cannot be sure what they will say and it could be very damaging.

He doesn't want to give any more than they already have.

He's gotten a llittle more savvy. In the beginning it was fine that casey had a smirk until several news agencies reported her smiling. We don't see that anymore. The man is an imbecile.

 

[RR0004]

I thought about this letter while lying in bed last night trying to sleep. It struck me that there was brief mention of Lee and Mallory, but absolutely no mention of anyone else. No mention of George or her parents. One would expect at least just one line, something like......"Dad is fine and still enjoys puttering with the cars and yard, and I visited grandma and grandpa this week and both are doing well." But nothing! It's like only Cindy and Casey exist in her world. And even in her thoughts of an afterlife, only Cindy, Casey, and Caylee exist.

This letter is a brief glimpse into the thoughts of a very mentally unhealthy person.

I doubt Cindy will ever be able to accept the truth when it comes to Casey. She talks of Casey coming home, and that's never going to happen. Casey will die in prison.

A healthy person accepts the truth, grieves for their loss, and picks up the pieces and goes on with life. Cindy has a husband, a son and future daughter-in-law, two elderly parents she should be spending time with, and other relatives.

The trial will take place in less than a year, and when it's over, Casey will be in prison. Cindy faces a choice..........she can continue down a path of self destruction or she can get help and have some sort of normalcy in her life.

She did speak about going to see her dad on Father's Day (or I dreamt it...lol). Also, mentioned them as Grandma and Grandpa P. (fwiw). She talked about George as in "we" went here and there.

 

[RR0004]

I wonder who addressed the envelops from the Baez Law firm 'cause it doesn't look like Cindy's printing IMO.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Prudence,

Don't you find that bizarre that she would keep that there if she says Caylee is still alive.

This whole family has really let themselves go unchecked. Cindy has decided this is the way it is going to be and George lets go - even still tells Casey she is her best friend - no mention of George - yet he stays. Cindy does not mention him in her letters but does mention Lee.

It is Casey and Lee and Mallory and I do not see George and Cindy making it - she is rapidly going downhill - I really believe that. She needs psychiatric help 24 hours a day. She is living a lie every minute of the day. I know she is use to it, but this is a horse of a different color. Her child KILLED her grandchild and she is going to lie about it. Incredible. And the next thing that will happen to her maybe not this year but it will - she will get physcially sick - and I don't mean nausea - It is impossible for the subconscious to keep this lie up without it effecting your body physcially.

This is like a Tennessee Williams play without Marlon.

They *need* (real need) each other though.. that's what keeps 'em in it .

 

[OneLostGrl]

OR "Three Faces of Eve"
OR "Psycho"
OR "Baby Jane"
OR...............................I could go on, but I won't

Mommie dearest

 

[OneLostGrl]

I feel like I'm in "Gaslight." These people are intentionally trying to make me think I'm insane.

 

[CuriousTwo]

I'm sure Perry has picked up on the psychosis of every member of that family and will get thru the trial as quickly as possible to stop the hemmorrrhaging.

Regardless of the Sunshine Law's involvement in the notariety of this case, moreso than any other factor, I believe, is the unique mental makeup of this family. Just too unbelievable for words.

OR "Three Faces of Eve"
OR "Psycho"
OR "Baby Jane"
OR...............................I could go on, but I won't

OMG! "Baby Jane" is one of the best! Thanks for reminding me!

 

[ZsaZsa]

She did speak about going to see her dad on Father's Day (or I dreamt it...lol). Also, mentioned them as Grandma and Grandpa P. (fwiw). She talked about George as in "we" went here and there.

Yes, they seem to be out and about socializing quite a bit. No mention of going to the Unemployment office to find jobs though...:innocent:

 

[mitzi]

this is creepy to me. Why would someone want to wear smething like that in a piece of jewelry
I also dont understand why she keeps Caylees death certificate out on top of a dresser in her room.
My first husband died suddenly and I couldnt stand to see it. It hurt too much. I have pics andId rather remember him that way. Its just me.
I would think a locket with Caylees pic in it would be a nicer piece of jewelry.

Bold mine.

IIRC, there was a news video of CA showing the "shrine" she set up with that death cert. included...my opinion is that she keeps it out to show all who view it, that she is GM....(otherwise known as "Grandma Martyr") I believe she thinks it would make people feel "so bad for that poor Grandma."

Cindy makes me sick! Blech!

JMO

 

[mitzi]

My signature search is complete...thanks Cindy!

HAHA! And they live on Hopespring Dr.! :crazy:

 

[txsvicki]

I'm the minority, but don't see a thing wrong with Cindy's letter. Cindy felt sad that Casey is so secluded that she had to find a best friend amongst jailbirds, then got betrayed. Cindy felt betrayed by Dom, and pointed out that they were both reaching out to people who are near but not the best for them. Cindy had felt before anything ever happened that she and Casey were best friends, just like many mothers and daughters. What is very sad though, is that the religious aspect in the Robin letter and Cindy thinking Casey was her best friend is probably just the manipulations of a psychopath. If George really ran up $40,000 in charges on Cindy's cards then I can see why she doesn't mention him. He's put her through a lot and she gets the blame when it's obvious that he's really not henpecked or controlled, just wants it to appear that way. Cindy does need to wake up and move on so that she can have some sort of a life. She'll spend the rest of it scrimping for commissary money, manipulative phone calls, prison visits, and appeals if she doesn't wake up PLUS whatever George decides to do to her next.

 

[Amil]

In Cindy's letter of 5/24 she says she freaked out when she saw the SWAT team in Court with ICA- Baez explained to her that they are always there...
Truth or fantasy?

The SWAT team is always there. They wear all black and stand by the main door of the courtroom. However, I didn't see them at the last hearing. They are scary looking.

 

[feddup]

Bold mine.

IIRC, there was a news video of CA showing the "shrine" she set up with that death cert. included...my opinion is that she keeps it out to show all who view it, that she is GM....(otherwise known as "Grandma Martyr") I believe she thinks it would make people feel "so bad for that poor Grandma."

Cindy makes me sick! Blech!

JMO

Was that the show she did with Greta? When I saw it, I couldnt believe she would want to even see it. I know you have to and then you hide it away with the rest of your legal papers. but to put it out on exhibition like that, I didnt understand.

 

[feddup]

Yes, I find Cindy's actions and statements beyond bizarre. She completely baffles me at times and I just sit here thinking "huh?" I mean I just can't put into words what I think about her, I find her so out there.

This letter http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527941/detail.html shows to me that all CA thinks about is herself. She writes to KC "Jose told me that you were sorry for some of the things you wrote about me. I told you that I am not upset with you at all."

WHAT? She's not upset with KC for accusing George and Lee of molestation? She only cares what KC wrote about her. Huh?

Why is she SO afraid to tell ICA that she IS upset and angry, etc? yes, it totally baffles me the way she tip toes around and wants to be BFF with Casey. Im the suspicious typeand I wouldve pinned my kid to the wall asking questions when she was home like: WHAT HAPPENED TO CAYLEE why didnt you watch her, who was this NANNY no one has seen or heard about, etc!
Im not sure I would even bother writing her after she called me a "total waste". I couldnt handle having a kid like ICA.
Im thinking Cindy is on some kind of guilt trip and somehow thinks she caused all of this to happen, you didnt Cindy.....wake up, some kids are just rotten....see the movie: the Bad Seed.
I personally hate that innocent little stare ICA puts on in court. like: Im just a little 23 yr old girl, Im soooo innocent Im cute and its always let me get away with things. EW!! (like steal my Grandmas checks, etc and have Mommy offer to repay her)

 

[mitzi]

Was that the show she did with Greta? When I saw it, I couldnt believe she would want to even see it. I know you have to and then you hide it away with the rest of your legal papers. but to put it out on exhibition like that, I didnt understand.

You know...I'm not sure which show it was that CA showed off her shrine to Caylee for the cameras...I just remember seeing it. Sorry.

 

[sleutherontheside]

You know...I'm not sure which show it was that CA showed off her shrine to Caylee for the cameras...I just remember seeing it. Sorry.

IIRC.....it was the 48 Hours special on CBS. :waitasec:

 

[ZsaZsa]

The SWAT team is always there. They wear all black and stand by the main door of the courtroom. However, I didn't see them at the last hearing. They are scary looking.

I didn't know that.... is that just for ICA or with any accused murderer?

 

[wildchild1961]

I just want to add some thoughts about Jose Baez not allowing Casey to write to her parents, and him not permitting jail house visits by her parents.

Those few jail house visits by the parents that were video taped and were eventually released to the public are very damaging to his client. They showed grieving grandparents, and a stone-cold client, who lost her temper and showed the world what a violent temper she has. Any attorney would want to prohibit this sort of adverse publicity for his client.

Jose could counsel all parties that their visits and letters are made public and he would allow jail house visits and allow Casey to write letters to them if everyone would realize that they're being recorded for public release and strictly adhere to the rules he makes.

Jose Baez would tell all parties that they cannot discuss Caylee or the case at all. Their conversation and letters can include discussion of what relatives are doing, the weather, food, pets, activities, etc.

But, I think there's also another reason why Jose Baez is not allowing jail house visits and Casey to write letters. I think he likely reads George and Cindy's letters to Casey before they're given to her too.

Remember that back in August of 2008 Casey agreed to meet privately with her father and that was called off at the last minute because Jose Baez stopped the meeting from taking place? I remember that at that time, George had reservations about Jose's qualifications as an attorney.

I think Jose is worried that George and Cindy might encourage Casey to fire Jose and get a better attorney. We all know there's far more qualified defense attorneys in Orlando. Jose can't walk away from this case by law, but he can be fired. If he were fired, it would be very damaging to his career as an attorney, and in all likelihood, his career would be destroyed.

Leila, I agree 100% ... this has been my feeling all along about not allowing her family access to her. JB felt his hold slipping early on.. and what better way to keep his golden goose firmly in place at his side, than by being the only one allowed access to her for any length of time. The little bit of information she picks up through the grapevine, rumor mill, or in the supposed letters from her family... could be easily twisted by him if/when she asks him about it. Again I go back to her happy go lucky behavior during most of the hearings and court appearances. KC is only, just now, starting to realize how much trouble she has herself in because JB is constantly filling her head with how they have it all under control and are doing fine and she will be out in no time.

JB, particularly with the release of the latest DC emails.. is quickly proving what an incredibly manipulative self serving person he is.

wild