Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[gitana1]

I put this onto the Gentiva thread, but I'm going to put it here too, because I really think it describes Cindy to a tee; http://www.outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Dissociation.html but even though she may be suffering from some kind of mental issue, I agree that throwing innocent people under the bus is about as bad as it gets...

The BEGGING for Casey to contact them is just so over the top....especially from George, the framework they have constructed for Casey is just so strange - its obvious her required role in the family was to play the perfect princess..well I guess she threw that one back in their face didn't she?

If this does go to trial the day, or days that Cindy spends on the stand are going to be a nightmare.

Wow. That link? To a T!!!! With CA I think it's combined with borderline personality disorder. She's a mess and I do not believe any counseling or medication will help this woman. It would take years and years of extensive treatment, probably on a daily basis. IMO what we see is what we're gonna' get and she will never change.

ETA: No wonder casey is the way she is. I think she's a lot like her mother, but even worse.

 

[CuriousTwo]

George letters to KC - signed "Dad - Papa Joe"
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039447/detail.html - Part 1
(1) Nov 4, 2008 - page 1
(2) March 3, 2009 - page 70-72 - Cindy's return addr label - letter from George
(3) March 16, 2009 - page 73-75 - Cindy's return addr label - letter from George
(4) Apr 1, 2009 - page 76 -78 Cindy's return addr label - letter from George
(5) Sept 1, 2009 - page 83-84 - Cindy's return addr label - note from George
[Sept 1, 2009 page 85 - fake return addr of George Anthony - Blink article]
(6) Sept 29, 2009 - Part 3 - page 677 - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
"I LOVE YOU " NO MATTER WHAT ! Papa Joe"
(7) Nov 3, 2009 - page 103 - 106 George addr label
(8) Nov 16, 2009 - page 116-118 Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(9) Nov 18, 2009 - page 119-121 - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(10) Dec 3, 2009 - page 127-130 - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(11) Dec 20, 2009 - page 143-145 - Anthony addr label - letter from George
(12) Dec 7, 2009 - page 146-148 - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(13) Dec 21, 2009 - page 136-140 - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(14) Jan 13, 2010 - Part 3, page 678 - Cindy addr label - letter from George
(15) Feb 17, 2010 - page 158-163- - Cindy's addr label - letter from George
(16) Feb ?, 2010 - page 187-194 - Cindy's addr label - VALENTINE DAY card,
photo of Caylee vacuuming, note from Cindy, note from Caylee
(17) March 10, 2010 - page 194-196 - Cindy's addr label - St. Patrick's card from
George
(18) March 25, 2010 - page 197-198 - George handwrites his own addr label - WHY? WHY?

[NO more letter from George to KC after the March 25th letter asking WHY?
George did not attend the May 11, 2010 or the June 1, 2010 Hearings]

Cindy letters to KC
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039447/detail.html - Part 1
Feb 23, 2009 - page 4 - envelope from Cindy - contents from "Joyce" page 6
Feb 25, 2009 - page 38 - envelope from Cindy - note from Brenda Katz page 39
Feb 23, 2009 - page 46 - env from Cindy- letter inside from Judith Brush page 47-51
Feb 24, 2009 - page 52-54 - env sent to Anthony home - from Betty Beusen
(1) Sept 19, 2009 - page 79 -80 Cindy's return addr label - card from Mom & Dad
(2) Sept ?, 2009 - page 81-82 - Cindy's return addr label - card from Mom & Dad
note from the cats and dogs
(3) Sept 1, 2009 - page 87-93 - Cindy sent photos of Caylee's 4th bday party
Jose cannot give or read ltrs to KC any more
Andrea turned KC towards parents - Cindy told KC "I love you"
Cindy asks KC to try to mail a ltr out to Cindy - Brad or Jose will keep it safe
(4) Oct 14, 2009 - page 94 - 102- Cindy sent photos of Caylee in carseat, cat, Caylee
looking out sunshiny window w/curtain
Cindy says her and George are closer than ever
Cindy incriminates Jesse, says Amy & Jodi signed Memorial guest book
Cindy gave Zanny's hair straightener to Sgt Allen
Cindy taking break from foundation
pg 98 Jesse had paternity test done in Ohio by friend of Richard
pg 100 - photo of Caylee in Big Trouble shirt
pg 102 Cindy mad about photos of KC's back sores
Cindy says KC is not sure about their new adventure (tattoos)
pg 103 - Jose said KC won't wear the ruffle shirts Cindy gave
(5) Nov 4, 2009 - page 107-115 Cindy sent photos of KC and Caylee, framed photo of
baby Caylee, Caylee sleeping, Caylee in lawn chair,
Cindy disappointed she can't see KC
Joyce Story had dinner - says she is KC's God mother
Mallory goes to Eastside Bpt
may move to SC near Shane Stutzman
Andrea can get KC into her law school
Cindy talking about Jesse and Johnny Nelson in Jacksonville
asks about Zanny's mother working
(6) Nov 25, 2009 - page 122-126 - Cindy sent photo Cindy & George, photo Lee &
Mallory
pg 124 they visited with Jeanene (mitigation specialist)
the team is gaining momentum
tomorrow is Thanksgiving
pg 126 Perry the cat died Wednesday
Dec 14, 2009 - page 130-135 - Anthony addr label - note from Kris Turk - Cindy said it
came to their house but had stickers on it, which KC cannot receive
date? - page 140-142 - Cindy's addr label - Holiday card from Russell
Feb 20, 2010 - page 153-157 - Cindy says from friends at church put $ 50 in KC's acct
scripture verses - signed "R.J.M."
(7) Jan 14, 2010 - page 163-167
got CDs and movies back from OCSO
dinner with Mallory and Jody tonight
pg 165 Holly divorce final in Dec -moved to Shane's home
support KC 100%
(8) Jan 31, 2010 - page 168 - 174 - Cindy proud of her check fraud plea - sent photos of
Caylee and note "from Caylee" - page 174
ask Chaplin Gonzalez to call Cindy
pg 170 - Grandma P meeting with Jeanene today
Jeanene met with Grandma & Pa A and Sonnie & Uncle John yesterday
pg 171 someone tells Cindy Caylee is alive in NY with Zanny
Cindy believes KC is being framed
wants to know where KC got Lee's black band - wraps it around Caylee's
titanium memorial bracelet
pg 172 - someone sends ltrs posing as Holly, Cindy, George, KidFinders,
Kathi Belich
still trying to find a way to see KC w/o the world watching

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039447/detail.html

page 171
Jan 31, 2010

Casey I don't want to upset you but I keep getting messages from someone that is claiming Caylee is alive & in New York specifically the Bronx or Manhatten. Said Zani is there with her half brother (Hector) she supposedly was/has been in California since at least Nov 2008. Same area we got that tip that Caylee was in New Port Beach Nov 2008.
I've sent Mort the info. I hope he follows up on it. He's about the only one I trust. I still believe you are being framed and need so desperately to prove it. I pray everyday for something to come out so you can come back home.

(9) Feb 17, 2010 - page 180-187 Cindy sends photos of Caylee and KC, Caylee &
George
looks grimmer to see KC
Cindy does not agree with Jose any more about not seeing KC
pg 183 Andrea said KC not seeing family is the worse thing that
could happen to KC - let potential jurors see that you are the
great person that I know
Cindy says KC was the greatest mom
pg 185 someone needs to be punished for destroying their family
pg 185 - year to change people's perceptions - NG diehards
Feb 17, 2010 - page 187-194 - Cindy's addr label - VALENTINE DAY card,
photo of Caylee vacuuming, note from Cindy, note from Caylee
Cindy says KC is isolated and not agree/with Jose keeping KC from parents
Cindy needs to talk to KC - not wait a year

June ? 2009? - page 199-203 - Cindy's addr label - ltr from Shane Stutzman church in SC

Wow! Thanks so much! I was expecting a "yes" or "no" response - how nice of you to share such detailed info. I really appreciate it!
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[gitana1]

:shocked2:

I think NG and the local news need to play this once a week to refresh everyone's memories.

LOL @ the female prosecutors with "their little ties and str@pons at home"
Who the hell says that?? Is she TRYING to get KC convicted??

Ugh. She reminds me of minor's counsel in a case I have. She hates my client and is doing everything to destroy him, including flat out lying to the court. She even looks like AL. Yuck.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hi, OLG! I know that sociopaths will always blame someone else...as do those with BPD. I know that you and I would agree with a BPD diagnosis, but do you think Cindy could be socipathic as well?

I don't know enough about her history to guess on that (though I think she has more psychopathic traits than Casey does) but I do know that I believe she is way sicker than Casey. I know, I know.. Casey is accused of killing her child but Cindy tortured hers.. she still is, and is enjoying it IMO.

 

[LinasK]

Thanks for the clarification. Did we ever hear that she was out of the office? I thought she supervised nurses. I never heard she was out in the field. Could explain why she went on disability. I can't imagine her going out in public after the cr*p hit the proverbial fan. Do we know this for a fact?

What I can tell you is what the responsibilities of a Nurse Case Manager are- think of them as an Outpatient Care Coordinator. She would be in charge of CNA's/Home Health aides that go to the patients' homes, as well as authorizing Physical, Occupational, and Speech Therapists, Respiratory Therapists, getting Doctor's orders, Medication orders and Medical Equipment, and coordinating with insurance companies. RN's also go out to see patients and may be doing IV's, wound care, diabetes care, nutrition in the home, and doing home visits to assess the conditions of the home environment for social (RN's and therapists are mandatory reporters in abuse cases) and safety concerns.
The Agency office is like a home base for coordination of phone calls, case files, medical supplies, medication, etc...
If you have further questions, I am still in touch with one of my Case Managers from another agency, with whom I have mutual friends in common...

 

[newsaddict]

I apologize if this has been discussed already, but I haven't had time to read whole thread. Anyway my question is, aren't letters sent to inmates private? I realize that LE can read them or what not, but can they be made public???? I'd be really surprised if so! TIA

 

[OneLostGrl]

BBM.

I've often thought Cindy has some type of mental illness. I'm just not sure what it is. But like Casey it seems that Cindy's relationships are only superficial and that she doesn't have the ability to truly unconditionally love another. She might say she unconditionally loves Casey but as evidence of her letters to Casey her little jabs are anything but unconditional love.

Yeah, those jabs. Imagine living your entire life with jabs like that? They have this way of making them look innocent and sweet and caring so if outsiders were watching they most likely wouldn't even notice they were jabs.

ETA- one more thing I want to add-

If she loved her daughter unconditionally she'd tell her, "Even if you did this, dear daughter, I'd be hurt but I'll still love you". Refusing to accept the truth of your childs past, feeling the need to recreate their lifes story because it makes you uncomfortable or may make you look bad is not unconditional love-not even close and your child realizes this!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I apologize if this has been discussed already, but I haven't had time to read whole thread. Anyway my question is, aren't letters sent to inmates private? I realize that LE can read them or what not, but can they be made public???? I'd be really surprised if so! TIA

Huh? They have been made public!

 

[ynotdivein]

Wow. That link? To a T!!!! With CA I think it's combined with borderline personality disorder. She's a mess and I do not believe any counseling or medication will help this woman. It would take years and years of extensive treatment, probably on a daily basis. IMO what we see is what we're gonna' get and she will never change.

ETA: No wonder casey is the way she is. I think she's a lot like her mother, but even worse.

Respectfully bolded...

She is almost exactly like her mother, except that her mother allows her own behavior to be modified by what "outsiders" think of her and of those whose identities she has enmeshed with her own. Casey allows her behavior to be modified by "outsiders" only to the extent, and at the time, that they are useful to Casey; once they are in her rearview mirror they not only cease to matter, but to exist for her.

IMO

 

[LinasK]

Thanks for the clarification. Did we ever hear that she was out of the office? I thought she supervised nurses. I never heard she was out in the field. Could explain why she went on disability. I can't imagine her going out in public after the cr*p hit the proverbial fan. Do we know this for a fact?

After the bad PR she's brought to them, plus I wouldn't trust her as a nurse or manager at this point, Gentiva would be crazy to take her back unless they are forced to, by her agreement.
Her not getting prenatal care for Casey until 7 months, calling it "female trouble" and still not getting her to a Gyn, or even forcing Casey to have a pregnancy test done is reason enough to question her judgement as a nurse, let alone supposedly mistaking Chloroform for Chlorophyll, and her actions after recognizing the smell of decomp in the car.
Heck, I'd question her sanity now if she really believes Caylee is still alive, when the DNA clearly proved it's Caylee's ashes she's wearing around her neck, and that's whom she had the elaborate, invitation-only memorial for!

 

[beach]

BBM.

I've often thought Cindy has some type of mental illness. I'm just not sure what it is. But like Casey it seems that Cindy's relationships are only superficial and that she doesn't have the ability to truly unconditionally love another. She might say she unconditionally loves Casey but as evidence of her letters to Casey her little jabs are anything but unconditional love.

I don't know that she suffers from a true dx of a 'mental illness', although can't say I am 100% sure. Obviously she is the textbook definition of someone with severe control issues and I definetly think she used denial as a coping mechanism for many, many years (at least all of her adult life). I think denial shifted to being consumed by cover-up-at-all-costs shortly after the 3rd 911 call. But this shift was not so much to protect Casey....her main objective was to protect herself. She will never accept that she - the ultimate martyr - could have raised a sociopathic murderess. That would reflect on HER. Cindy will NEVER take responsibility for the extremely poor choices in parenting that enabled Casey to become who she is. If push comes to shove, she would blame that on George. (e.g., when he exposed the truth about the Sports Authority non-existant job and CA's chastizing response, (para) "Why are you checking up on her?! Casey's going to be so mad!")

Jeepers. What a freakin' mess. God help them all.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I apologize if this has been discussed already, but I haven't had time to read whole thread. Anyway my question is, aren't letters sent to inmates private? I realize that LE can read them or what not, but can they be made public???? I'd be really surprised if so! TIA

No hun, they were released. The letters are most certainly NOT private. Especially here in the Sunshine State - due to the Sunshine Laws! I'm sure there are a lot of peeps out there who are wishing they had never wrote to Casey. "Julie from KY" comes to mind first!:crazy:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Respectfully bolded...

She is almost exactly like her mother, except that her mother allows her own behavior to be modified by what "outsiders" think of her and of those whose identities she has enmeshed with her own. Casey allows her behavior to be modified by "outsiders" only to the extent, and at the time, that they are useful to Casey; once they are in her rearview mirror they not only cease to matter, but to exist for her.

IMO

And Cindy taught Casey that it was OK to steal from her and lie to her by allowing her husband to do it and get away with it time and again. Not to mention the fact that she then bad mouthed her husband to her children but still stayed!

 

[newsaddict]

Huh? They have been made public!

Yes, read Gypsy's post below yours too.

 

[RR0004]

What I can tell you is what the responsibilities of a Nurse Case Manager are- think of them as an Outpatient Care Coordinator. She would be in charge of CNA's/Home Health aides that go to the patients' homes, as well as authorizing Physical, Occupational, and Speech Therapists, Respiratory Therapists, getting Doctor's orders, Medication orders and Medical Equipment, and coordinating with insurance companies. RN's also go out to see patients and may be doing IV's, wound care, diabetes care, nutrition in the home, and doing home visits to assess the conditions of the home environment for social (RN's and therapists are mandatory reporters in abuse cases) and safety concerns.
The Agency office is like a home base for coordination of phone calls, case files, medical supplies, medication, etc...
If you have further questions, I am still in touch with one of my Case Managers from another agency, with whom I have mutual friends in common...

Wow...Lina...like mutual friends with Cindy? Or am I reading this wrong? So do you think Cindy could feasibly have been out of the office on a regular basis?

Sorry, guys for the OT...but this is really interesting (IMO).

 

[RR0004]

And Cindy taught Casey that it was OK to steal from her and lie to her by allowing her husband to do it and get away with it time and again. Not to mention the fact that she then bad mouthed her husband to her children but still stayed!

I was just reading some remarks on another board from a long time ago (when RP was posting). Someone (a local) remarked about the reason George left the force...and that it would come out during the trial. Now, mind you, this was from 2008...and RP insisted that Cindy was the reason that George left...but still it makes you wonder what the heck was going on in the family even back then.

 

[RR0004]

And Cindy taught Casey that it was OK to steal from her and lie to her by allowing her husband to do it and get away with it time and again. Not to mention the fact that she then bad mouthed her husband to her children but still stayed!

From what RP said...Casey could do no wrong. He referred to her as Cindy's "princess".

 

[CuriousTwo]

They will get away with it. They are professional victims, cons! They have perfected their craft- every "offical" (and so many "regular" people too) that looks at them sees "victim" not criminal. Casey learned from the best but because she didn't have to cover for herself ("momma-do" did that for her, cleaned up all her messes) she gets caught easily, she doesn't play victim very well. Cindy has been playing the victim role for many many years and not just for herself.. for for her daughter too. Any time Casey did something wrong she was someones victim according to her mother. Cindy plays her role well. I would be SHOCKED if cindy is ever charged with anything!

I see CA as flipping between playing martyr and victim. She can one minute be the "woe is me" type, and then flip to "look at all I did and sacrificed for them, and this is what they do to me/this is what happens to me." JMHO.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't know that she suffers from a true dx of a 'mental illness', although can't say I am 100% sure. Obviously she is the textbook definition of someone with severe control issues and I definetly think she used denial as a coping mechanism for many, many years (at least all of her adult life). I think denial shifted to being consumed by cover-up-at-all-costs shortly after the 3rd 911 call. But this shift was not so much to protect Casey....her main objective was to protect herself. She will never accept that she - the ultimate martyr - could have raised a sociopathic murderess. That would reflect on HER. Cindy will NEVER take responsibility for the extremely poor choices in parenting that enabled Casey to become who she is. If push comes to shove, she would blame that on George. (e.g., when he exposed the truth about the Sports Authority non-existant job and CA's chastizing response, (para) "Why are you checking up on her?! Casey's going to be so mad!")

Jeepers. What a freakin' mess. God help them all.

But ya know what? Many of the mistakes were human- quite common really. It's the vindictive, manipulative nature of her need to hide her mistakes that get me. She believes her daughter should not be held accountable.. that Casey Marie Anthony should not have to face the consequences of her actions, and she Cindy Marie Anthony shouldn't be held responsible for her inaction.

Even having grown up with a mother much like Cindy I still find myself giving into my son when I know I shouldn't- I have no doubt even though I recognize the behaviors I still engage in them from time to time. I don't fault her that- it's human. I fault her the rest.. the damage she now KNOWS she is continuing to cause. Because she does know.. it's a disease but to follow through with the behaviors is a choice and ALL of us should be held accountable for our actions!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I see CA as playing more of a martyr role than that of a victim. Rather than the "woe is me" type, she appears to be the "look at all I did and sacrificed for them, and this is what they do to me/this is what happens to me." JMHO.

oh ITA! but back up is always the victim. The people you can't or don't yet control the martyr role doesn't work with yet so then it's victim. (outsiders)