Lies point us to the truth #2

[proust20]

There are only clips available of the BR's interviews with the mandated psychologists. His body language is noteworthy in both. His remarks to Dr. Bernhard are startling enough; but, one can only imagine what the full length tapes are like. Along with this, there is his GJ testimony. - I gotta secret but I ain't spilling - wouldn't go down so well in court.

What BR told the GJ could likely have contributed to the R indictments. A snake at the bosom? Although the parents were both found by the GJ to be guilty of child endangerment, they were still allowed custody of Burke. We got a lot of what it takes to get along.

If the siblings were in the habit of sharing a bed, it's possible that the DNA transfer to the nightgown could have occurred sometime before Christmas? Patsy's fibers link her to the lethal weapon. John's are on an intimate part of JB.

In trying to make sense of the staging, that the mise-en-scene might be a sardonic commentary ought at least be considered as an outside possibility. The nightgown, the white blanket, knife, torn packages, et al could be ritualistic? In the novel, Lolita dies on Christmas. Just saying. Any occult meanings would mean premeditation. If the RN were written before Christmas, that might explain the disconnect between it and the WC scene? The original intent might have been to actually kidnap JB? Assuming that she were about to blab about the SA, getting her out of the way provides a good motive. A plan to fake an abduction by the FF was hatched? Make it seem like JB was the victim of terrorists. (That would be useful in running for office.) Once set it motion, something went way wrong. Next thing ya know John wants to git outta Dodge right quick.

BR's "What DID you find?" - One does not embark on a search without a purpose. The question becomes: for what were the parents looking? And when did their search begin? BR could have made up a story and the Rs went to check on it? They found he hadn't been truthful with them because of a discovery? But then, Burke would not be asking that just then during the hang up. Before the search began, it could have been that only one parent knew of the WC? Or BR could be only referring to the discovery of the RN, which he learns about by the side of PR as she makes the 911? He came downstairs when he heard his Mom "going psycho"? Also the time to write the RN, pushes back the timeline back for PR's involvement in at least a coverup by a good 20 min. before her 911. If BR were in on what had been going on for awhile, why ask about the Rs findings only when the call is over? "We're not speaking to you." BR could not have made the RN. This is an extra step which PDI avoids.

 

[InstantProof]

Yes what a great observation! Maybe that's another reason why PR said she unwrapped them so BR couldn't be tied to that one either

If he's peeking at his gifts and comes across girls underwear, I think this is something more likely to trigger anger than the pineapple snack speculation.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Is it possible Burke is peaking at his gifts and the larger size girls underwear is wrapped and mixed in?[/QUO

Instantproof,

Well the Lego set was wrapped by itself. I have seen 2 pictures. One where there is no paper on the Lego set and one where the corner was just torn. There also appears to be two sacks tipped over in front of the legos. It is possible that the size 12’s were located in one of the sacks. There were closets located behind Patsy and John’s (big round night tables). It would have been a good place to hide them from the kids.

JR stated they were located in a closet and that PR didn’t know anything about their location. Eye roll. Patsy bought them, had them shipped, (they had to be noted as to what was inside). I have done enough commercial gift wrapping. The label comes with a portion that can be torn off. This being the case there is no reason for PR to open them. Although she stated that she did exactly that.

So, to answer your question I don’t see any reason why not.

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,

No there was no visible injury that we know of on Jonbenet’s scalp. But we must remember that BR stated a few weeks later that someone took out a knife and then hit her on the head. Maybe he had to explain why she was comatose.



I can buy all of this. But I wonder if the Barbie nightgown was overlooked when disposing those items or maybe not enough room in the American doll?



I have given the red sweater found on the bathroom counter some more thought. Jonbenet was suppose to wear that to the White’s party that evening. Jonbenet had other ideas. IMOO, I do not see Patsy taking the time to redo Jonbenet’s hair that night. Patsy wasn’t known for being neat herself. She says she laid her own party cloths draped over the bathtub after the party. Maybe she did, maybe she never changed out of them.



Or, as you suggest perhaps Patsy laid the jacket on the bed. Yet I wonder if this wasn’t put there in the aftermath? Why were Burke’s soiled pajamas left on her floor if there wasn’t something going on in there?

Rain on my Parade,

No there was no visible injury that we know of on Jonbenet’s scalp. But we must remember that BR stated a few weeks later that someone took out a knife and then hit her on the head. Maybe he had to explain why she was comatose.

I reckon you could be right here. Most eyewitness accounts are unreliable, as memory is not perfect, so BR gets the sequence correct but mixes up the weapon?

I can buy all of this. But I wonder if the Barbie nightgown was overlooked when disposing those items or maybe not enough room in the American doll?

Yes, either overlooked or bloodstained at a later point in the staging? Doll packing seems limited to small items, such as the size-6 underwear.

I do not see Patsy taking the time to redo Jonbenet’s hair that night. Patsy wasn’t known for being neat herself.

Fine, so why the hair-ties?

She says she laid her own party cloths draped over the bathtub after the party. Maybe she did, maybe she never changed out of them.

The latter, I reckon Patsy never went to bed or did and dressed in the previous evening's clothes to fling BPD detectives off the scent, i.e. it's not BDI, but might be PDI?

Or, as you suggest perhaps Patsy laid the jacket on the bed. Yet I wonder if this wasn’t put there in the aftermath? Why were Burke’s soiled pajamas left on her floor if there wasn’t something going on in there?

I think Patsy was present as JonBenet prepared for bed and neatly placed her clothes onto the guest bed, really big clue here for BDI proponents.

So JonBenet's clothing and Burke's alleged pajamas are likely instances of forensic noise present at the crime-scene but not unexpected, as LHP says in her interview the kids are untidy and messy, so their own clothing could just be an overlooked item?

Until it shows up errors I assume everything in the basement related to JonBenet's death is staging?

I cannot think of any reason why BR and JonBenet would elect to be in the basement on Christmas night when they have all their expensive gifts and treats upstairs?

What piqued my interest on the dna was Kolar's analogy regarding the Foreign Faction not leaving their dna everywhere, and the lab results returning foreign dna in her underwear, i.e, an intruder?

If you read through Amanda Knox trial notes, just concentrating on the dna details, it turns out she was convicted on an interpretation of the dna lab results by forensic geneticist, Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni who did not follow the reccomended procedure.

I reckon the same has happened in JonBenet's case, e.g. the missing genetic loci being added to make up the thirteen particular gene pairs which constitute an electropherogram, or dna profile, any additional foreign dna makes the eventual result more unreliable, as any interpretation of the electropherogram then becomes subjective?

So what was going on and why does Kolar not comment any further on this topic?

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[UKGuy]

There are only clips available of the BR's interviews with the mandated psychologists. His body language is noteworthy in both. His remarks to Dr. Bernhard are startling enough; but, one can only imagine what the full length tapes are like. Along with this, there is his GJ testimony. - I gotta secret but I ain't spilling - wouldn't go down so well in court.

What BR told the GJ could likely have contributed to the R indictments. A snake at the bosom? Although the parents were both found by the GJ to be guilty of child endangerment, they were still allowed custody of Burke. We got a lot of what it takes to get along.

If the siblings were in the habit of sharing a bed, it's possible that the DNA transfer to the nightgown could have occurred sometime before Christmas? Patsy's fibers link her to the lethal weapon. John's are on an intimate part of JB.

In trying to make sense of the staging, that the mise-en-scene might be a sardonic commentary ought at least be considered as an outside possibility. The nightgown, the white blanket, knife, torn packages, et al could be ritualistic? In the novel, Lolita dies on Christmas. Just saying. Any occult meanings would mean premeditation. If the RN were written before Christmas, that might explain the disconnect between it and the WC scene? The original intent might have been to actually kidnap JB? Assuming that she were about to blab about the SA, getting her out of the way provides a good motive. A plan to fake an abduction by the FF was hatched? Make it seem like JB was the victim of terrorists. (That would be useful in running for office.) Once set it motion, something went way wrong. Next thing ya know John wants to git outta Dodge right quick.

BR's "What DID you find?" - One does not embark on a search without a purpose. The question becomes: for what were the parents looking? And when did their search begin? BR could have made up a story and the Rs went to check on it? They found he hadn't been truthful with them because of a discovery? But then, Burke would not be asking that just then during the hang up. Before the search began, it could have been that only one parent knew of the WC? Or BR could be only referring to the discovery of the RN, which he learns about by the side of PR as she makes the 911? He came downstairs when he heard his Mom "going psycho"? Also the time to write the RN, pushes back the timeline back for PR's involvement in at least a coverup by a good 20 min. before her 911. If BR were in on what had been going on for awhile, why ask about the Rs findings only when the call is over? "We're not speaking to you." BR could not have made the RN. This is an extra step which PDI avoids.

proust20,

If the siblings were in the habit of sharing a bed, it's possible that the DNA transfer to the nightgown could have occurred sometime before Christmas?

Yet we know what JonBenet wore to bed on Christmas Eve, and likely the night before: her pink pajama top and bottoms, she is pictured wearing them in photographs.

So the dna on the nightgown was likely deposited on Christmas Day Evening as it was used to redress JonBenet. You also have JonBenet's bloodstains present representing corroboration?

Or BR could be only referring to the discovery of the RN, which he learns about by the side of PR as she makes the 911?

So why bother asking what was found if he already knows? Also we do not know if he was present when RN staging was being setup, that he just arrived for the 911 call, is our interpretation of events.

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[Rain on my Parade]

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If he's peeking at his gifts and comes across girls underwear, I think this is something more likely to trigger anger than the pineapple snack speculation.

InstantProof,

Why would he be mad about finding girls underwear?

 

[InstantProof]

7


InstantProof,

Why would he be mad about finding girls underwear?

Whatever it was that was down there, if they're his birthday presents or he believes they are, something for a girl could register as his parents bypassing things he wants for his birthday in favor of getting JB more presents.

 

[proust20]

Burke did not write the RN. He heard Patsy talking about it on the 911. He would of been curious of its contents. "What did you find?" might be asking "What does it say?" PR was vague about the RN on the call. She had to be. BR wouldn't learn much about it from what she told the operator. "We're not talking to you." could be a refusal to clue their son in? Did Burke read the RN before leaving the house?

 

[UKGuy]

Burke did not write the RN. He heard Patsy talking about it on the 911. He would of been curious of its contents. "What did you find?" might be asking "What does it say?" PR was vague about the RN on the call. She had to be. BR wouldn't learn much about it from what she told the operator. "We're not talking to you." could be a refusal to clue their son in? Did Burke read the RN before leaving the house?

proust20,
If he wanted to know what the RN said, why not ask that instead of What did you find which offers PR an escape clause, e.g. Donuts.

We do not know what Burke read, only that he was present, presumably prior to when PR lifted the phone to dial 911?

The problem is we all know the Ramsey version of events is fake, all three have revised their version of events, e.g. BR was awake during the 911 call and returned back downstairs to fix a toy, so he says.

The bottom line is crossing swords over what Burke knew and when relies on the Ramsey version of events being an honest account, and we know it is not.

I would guess BR read the RN as he was present prior to the 911 call and likely knows his parents staged the wine-cellar crime-scene, how could he not know after listening to the GJ evidence and his own voice being played back to him along with the tabloids printing the parents say he was awake during the 911 call.

All this evidence which is in the public domain must mean minimally BR took part in the postmortem staging?

So he must know who killed JonBenet, particularly if it was not him!

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[UKGuy]

Whatever it was that was down there, if they're his birthday presents or he believes they are, something for a girl could register as his parents bypassing things he wants for his birthday in favor of getting JB more presents.

InstantProof,
The gifts in the wine-cellar have just been dumped there, out of sight, along with JonBenet and the other items.

The parents story about them is just that, a fabricated narrative to explain them away.

All three Ramsey's have different accounts, despite Patsy saying she purchased them.

Meaning Patsy would know what was in each package, as she wrapped them,i.e. you do not wrap gifts without name-carding them in some manner.

JR says Patsy never knew the gifts were in the wine-cellar, implying only he knew as they were a secret from BR.

Of course BR plays the investigator along by saying he took a look into the Partially Opened Gifts on Christmas Day Afternoon, as you do in a Homicide Investigation.

BR keeps offering reasons why his forensic markers might be found on the toys, the wrapping paper, or some other item in the wine-cellar, etc.

LHP and her family, just prior to Christmas, helped move the Christmas decorations from the wine-cellar to upstairs, and there were no reports of finding wrapped gifts in the wine-cellar!

It's all a story.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

I have been wondering about the dark animal hair found in Jonbenet’s hands. She had to have grabbing something E.g. pant legs that contained the dog hairs or the dog itself.

So, there is this, just saying …
Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth - Present also were Patrick Burke and Ellis Armistead June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder, Colorado

0162
25 THOMAS HANEY: How about other dogs
0163
1 in this neighborhood, were there a lot of I mean
2 real dogs?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE) dogs.
4 The Cobys (phonetic) had a dog, a German
5 shepherd.
6 THOMAS HANEY: Do you ever remember
7 being awakened or bothered by the dogs in the
8 neighborhood barking?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: No.


0162
25 THOMAS HANEY: How about other dogs
0163
1 in this neighborhood, were there a lot of I mean
2 real dogs?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE) dogs.
4 The Cobys (phonetic) had a dog, a German
5 shepherd.
6 THOMAS HANEY: Do you ever remember
7 being awakened or bothered by the dogs in the
8 neighborhood barking?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: No.


0172
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, she and Burke
10 played, Burke played with the Coby kids and
11 these little girls. And then of course we went
12 to the Whites and she and Daphne played with
13 Burke.
14 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay, but before you
15 went to the Whites.
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Went to the Whites?
17 Well, it would have been, you know, mostly --
18 TRIP DeMUTH: The Coby kids?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: -- the Coby kids.
20 TRIP DeMUTH: Which ones?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Kai and Evan.

BR stated he felt bad because he left the front door unlocked Christmas night. Was he telling the truth? Or, was he following a concocted overheard story/direction?

JR has one interesting story about the Coby’s.

 

[icedtea4me]

<snip>Meaning Patsy would know what was in each package, as she wrapped them,i.e. you do not wrap gifts without name-carding them in some manner.<snip>

They were wrapped by FAO Schwartz. Is Patsy supposed to have remembered the dimensions of each box?

LHP and her family, just prior to Christmas, helped move the Christmas decorations from the wine-cellar to upstairs, and there were no reports of finding wrapped gifts in the wine-cellar!<snip>

They were there at the Ramsey home Thanksgiving weekend Thurs 28 Nov - Sun 1 Dec. It didn't occur to you that Patsy may have specified to FAO Schwartz not to deliver the gifts until a specified date in Dec.

 

[Eddie99]

Re: name tags on the Christmas presents.

My wife & I have several children. We used different wrapping paper for each one. No tags.

Also, re: 911 call. I remember reading that the FBI and Secret Service both analyzed the call. They could not confirm a "third person" being recorded in the background.

I think I will go with their analysis, on this one.

Lastly, UKguy - what exactly are you driving at with all the wrapping paper / presents in the basement? I really don't understand the relevance.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

I have been wondering about the dark animal hair found in Jonbenet’s hands. She had to have grabbing something E.g. pant legs that contained the dog hairs or the dog itself.

So, there is this, just saying …
Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth - Present also were Patrick Burke and Ellis Armistead June 23, 24, 25, 1998 - Boulder,

0162
25 THOMAS HANEY: How about other dogs
0163
1 in this neighborhood, were there a lot of I mean
2 real dogs?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE) dogs.
4 The Cobys (phonetic) had a dog, a German
5 shepherd.
6 THOMAS HANEY: Do you ever remember
7 being awakened or bothered by the dogs in the
8 neighborhood barking?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

0172
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, she and Burke
10 played, Burke played with the Coby kids and
11 these little girls. And then of course we went
12 to the Whites and she and Daphne played with
13 Burke.
14 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay, but before you
15 went to the Whites.
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Went to the Whites?
17 Well, it would have been, you know, mostly --
18 TRIP DeMUTH: The Coby kids?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: -- the Coby kids.
20 TRIP DeMUTH: Which ones?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Kai and Evan.

BR stated he felt bad because he left the front door unlocked Christmas night. Was he telling the truth? Or, was he following a concocted overheard story/direction?

JR has one interesting story about the Coby’s.

Not open for discussion yet? How about this:
Location

TT: Um, what about uh, Burke’s friends. How often did they come over to the house?
PR: Well, the Colby boys, you know, since they were neighborhood kids, they seemed to come over more frequently, because they were just, more accessible.
TT: Um hum.
PR: Um.
TT: They’re the ones right behind you in the alley?
PR: Right. Oh, I don’t know. A couple of times a week maybe or . . .
TT: Okay.
PR: . . .something like that.

Also, JR had this to say:
That's probably right. Evan was a
13 strange little kid. He was --
14 LOU SMIT:
15 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I just didn't care
17 for him. He was, one time JonBenet was out in
18 the driveway and she had a -- this was several
19 years ago, she had a dress on that didn't have
20 underwear on because it gotten taken off or whatever
21 and Evan was down, you know, trying to look
22 under her dress and here he was probably at that
23 time a 7 or 8-year-old. I said Evan, cut that
24 out.
25 LOU SMIT: Now didn't they have an

0758
1 older one there too?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Kai was there, they
3 had a daughter, two daughters. Ruth was the
4 mom, and the daughter was older than the boys,
5 you know. But --

Do we think it is a coincidence that the Cobies had a German Shepard? That they lived behind them? I don’t know if they still live there or not but I do remember the fence was in very bad need of repair, last I visited the home.

Could be why BR actually went back downstairs, to meet these guys. Could be BR was involved with them. Taking out the flashlight to sneak around. Turning off the sunroom light. Leaving PR to finish and pick up the pieces.

That's probably right. Evan was a
13 strange little kid. He was --
14 LOU SMIT:
15 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I just didn't care
17 for him. He was, one time JonBenet was out in
18 the driveway and she had a -- this was several
19 years ago, she had a dress on that didn't have
20 underwear on because it gotten taken off or what
21 and Evan was down, you know, trying to look
22 under her dress and here he was probably at that
23 time a 7 or 8-year-old. I said Evan, cut that
24 out.
25 LOU SMIT: Now didn't they have an

0758
1 older one there too?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Kai was there, they
3 had a daughter, two daughters. Ruth was the
4 mom, and the daughter was older than the boys,
5 you know.

BlueCrab chimes in on this matter on another website:

34. "RE: Panty Changing Fleet White ..."
In response to message #32

"Numbers,

Evan was two years older than Burke.

BlueCrab"

The math does not seem right about what John said, then. John claimed that this incident happened when Evan was 7 or 8. That would have made Burke about five or six. The Ramseys moved to Boulder in November of 1991 when Burke was four, almost five, and JonBenet was one. So if Evan was 7 or 8, JonBenet would have been 1 or 2, and would have been without her diapers, not her underwear.

Since, the Cobie kids were there almost everyday or other then their dna should have been found there.
JR further states that Evan used the basement toilet which he himself witnessed. Maybe a setup. Maybe not. Nobody bothered with the pineapple because nobody actually knew JB snagged a piece?

 

[UKGuy]

They were wrapped by FAO Schwartz. Is Patsy supposed to have remembered the dimensions of each box?




They were there at the Ramsey home Thanksgiving weekend Thurs 28 Nov - Sun 1 Dec. It didn't occur to you that Patsy may have specified to FAO Schwartz not to deliver the gifts until a specified date in Dec.

icedtea4me,

They were wrapped by FAO Schwartz. Is Patsy supposed to have remembered the dimensions of each box?

Patsy has to know what is in each FAO Schwartz wrapped package, otherwise how does she know what to allocate to anyone?

Find a statement where Patsy says she name-tagged all the FAO Schwartz wrapped gifts?

They were there at the Ramsey home Thanksgiving weekend Thurs 28 Nov - Sun 1 Dec. It didn't occur to you that Patsy may have specified to FAO Schwartz not to deliver the gifts until a specified date in Dec.

Fine, did she or is this just speculation by yourself?

Until you have evidence she mandated a delivery date its a non-runner, just more noise for the masses.

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[UKGuy]

Not open for discussion yet? How about this:
Location

TT: Um, what about uh, Burke’s friends. How often did they come over to the house?
PR: Well, the Colby boys, you know, since they were neighborhood kids, they seemed to come over more frequently, because they were just, more accessible.
TT: Um hum.
PR: Um.
TT: They’re the ones right behind you in the alley?
PR: Right. Oh, I don’t know. A couple of times a week maybe or . . .
TT: Okay.
PR: . . .something like that.

Also, JR had this to say:
That's probably right. Evan was a
13 strange little kid. He was --
14 LOU SMIT:
15 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I just didn't care
17 for him. He was, one time JonBenet was out in
18 the driveway and she had a -- this was several
19 years ago, she had a dress on that didn't have
20 underwear on because it gotten taken off or whatever
21 and Evan was down, you know, trying to look
22 under her dress and here he was probably at that
23 time a 7 or 8-year-old. I said Evan, cut that
24 out.
25 LOU SMIT: Now didn't they have an

0758
1 older one there too?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Kai was there, they
3 had a daughter, two daughters. Ruth was the
4 mom, and the daughter was older than the boys,
5 you know. But --

Do we think it is a coincidence that the Cobies had a German Shepard? That they lived behind them? I don’t know if they still live there or not but I do remember the fence was in very bad need of repair, last I visited the home.

Could be why BR actually went back downstairs, to meet these guys. Could be BR was involved with them. Taking out the flashlight to sneak around. Turning off the sunroom light. Leaving PR to finish and pick up the pieces.

That's probably right. Evan was a
13 strange little kid. He was --
14 LOU SMIT:
15 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I just didn't care
17 for him. He was, one time JonBenet was out in
18 the driveway and she had a -- this was several
19 years ago, she had a dress on that didn't have
20 underwear on because it gotten taken off or what
21 and Evan was down, you know, trying to look
22 under her dress and here he was probably at that
23 time a 7 or 8-year-old. I said Evan, cut that
24 out.
25 LOU SMIT: Now didn't they have an

0758
1 older one there too?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Kai was there, they
3 had a daughter, two daughters. Ruth was the
4 mom, and the daughter was older than the boys,
5 you know.

BlueCrab chimes in on this matter on another website:

34. "RE: Panty Changing Fleet White ..."
In response to message #32

"Numbers,

Evan was two years older than Burke.

BlueCrab"

The math does not seem right about what John said, then. John claimed that this incident happened when Evan was 7 or 8. That would have made Burke about five or six. The Ramseys moved to Boulder in November of 1991 when Burke was four, almost five, and JonBenet was one. So if Evan was 7 or 8, JonBenet would have been 1 or 2, and would have been without her diapers, not her underwear.

Since, the Cobie kids were there almost everyday or other then their dna should have been found there.
JR further states that Evan used the basement toilet which he himself witnessed. Maybe a setup. Maybe not. Nobody bothered with the pineapple because nobody actually knew JB snagged a piece?

Rain on my Parade,
Poor Evan is simply a scapegoat for the Ramsey's. if he had been present or involved his dna would be all over JonBenet, her clothing, bedroom artifacts, etc, and according to the dna lab results it is not.

The reason for the toilet question is to highlight that someone was in the basement, and BPD likely know whether that meant an adult or a child?

Link this back to BR's fecally soiled, pajama bottoms being found on JonBenet's bedroom floor and you might have an aha moment?

The Ramsey's were explaining away all the basement evidence with references to non-existent objects, or events, e.g. JR climbs in the basement window, with BR as witness, BR returns back downstairs to touch whatever, Patsy and/or John placed BR's birthday gift in the wine-cellar?

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[UKGuy]

Re: name tags on the Christmas presents.

My wife & I have several children. We used different wrapping paper for each one. No tags.

Also, re: 911 call. I remember reading that the FBI and Secret Service both analyzed the call. They could not confirm a "third person" being recorded in the background.

I think I will go with their analysis, on this one.

Lastly, UKguy - what exactly are you driving at with all the wrapping paper / presents in the basement? I really don't understand the relevance.

Eddie99,

My wife & I have several children. We used different wrapping paper for each one. No tags.

Patsy stated in her BPD interview that she Partially Opened some of the gifts because she did not know what was inside each package.

Kolar later wrote in his book that BR when interviewed said he partially opened the gifts on Christmas Day afternoon.

So take your pick for the correct interpretation.

Also, re: 911 call. I remember reading that the FBI and Secret Service both analyzed the call. They could not confirm a "third person" being recorded in the background.

I think I will go with their analysis, on this one.

Sure, and the above is not the same as Ruling a Third Person Out, its just evidential noise that is meaningless.

Also the parents later conceded that BR was wide-awake during the 911-call and not asleep in bed as previously claimed.

Lastly, UKguy - what exactly are you driving at with all the wrapping paper / presents in the basement? I really don't understand the relevance.

That the Ramsey explanations for the Partially Opened gifts is fake, plain and simple!

The gifts in the wine-cellar and some elsewhere in the basement may have been transferred from upstairs to downstairs, so to tidy up a crime-scene!

The basement is a staged crime-scene and what the parents have to say about it is similarly simulated.

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[Eddie99]

Ukguy,

I respect your opinion, but I'm afraid I don't share it.

I think we both agree there are a lot of odd aspects to this, aside from the brutal murder of a little girl.

I would think if something such as Christmas presents being looked at, or pineapple being eaten were the root cause of this murder - then they probably would have been not left in plain sight, for all to see.

I just can't accept two normal, adults with no psycho history, drug/ alcohol problems, and no record of any violence could do this. Nor do I think they would ever endeavor to cover up - if their 9 year old killed her. Especially with a crazy note.

Then there is:
BPD not taking this seriously.
7 or 8 hours they sat there.
Instructed them to search thier own house.
Foreign dna
Missing pages of the legal pad
Missing paint brush parts
The flashlight
Possible tazer usage
Boot prints
House was accessible to strangers

I think whomever did this, knew at least someone from the neighborhood, their family, their friends, school, extracurricular's or one of JR's company's employees, suppliers, or service providers.

BPD should have called in State Police, or FBI.

 

[icedtea4me]

icedtea4me,

Patsy has to know what is in each FAO Schwartz wrapped package, otherwise how does she know what to allocate to anyone?

Find a statement where Patsy says she name-tagged all the FAO Schwartz wrapped gifts?

Patsy was in the wine cellar on Xmas Eve night. She took a peek by peeling back a portion of the taped paper to determine which presents should be brought upstairs. Then Burke was down there on Xmas afternoon before they went to the Whites' home checking out the wrapped gifts in the wine cellar.

Fine, did she or is this just speculation by yourself?

Until you have evidence she mandated a delivery date its a non-runner, just more noise for the masses.

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It was speculation on my part. It's not one bit surprising to me that you'd think it'd be logical to put wrapped Xmas gifts in the wine cellar prior to all those Xmas trees and decorations having to be lugged out by Linda and her family. Naturally it didn't occur to you that, in the process of removing the trees and decorations, someone could knock a gift over and step on it accidentally. (Besides, John stated that the gifts from FAO Schwarz were from Patsy's trip in early Dec 1996.)

 

[icedtea4me]

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Link this back to BR's fecally soiled, pajama bottoms being found on JonBenet's bedroom floor and you might have an aha moment?<snip>

You're always screeching about Burke's allegedly fecally soiled pajama bottoms, but turn a blind eye to all the pairs of fecally soiled underwear JonBenet had in her drawer.