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Rain on my Parade,
Yes, it fits with what we know. Also suggests the case is unlikely to be strictly PDI or JDI.



I reckon this is JR reading from the Smoke and Mirrors Playbook. Why? Because AFAIK he has not made the same request regarding the fecal matter left in the pajama bottoms found lying on JonBenet's bedroom floor.

Fecal matter and saliva can yield substantive DNA Profiles. Both of which are relevant to the case.

Were the lab tests undertaken, if not, why not? Who was in charge of the CSI, where is the list of procedures subsequently undertaken?

Answers to these questions might reveal the general direction of travel by BPD.

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UKGuy,

JR is calling for the case to be moved from Boulder and the dna retested in JB murder.

I believe Beckner was in charge. I wonder why the FBI existed to the left so quickly. Seems from recall they knew what happened. They could have been responsible for the eradication of the phone records.

I was just wondering about BR. If he was overheard talking about how JB was strangled (2 days after the murder); who else has he talked to about what transpired Christmas 1996?
 
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That the person who 'discovers' the body is usually the killer is borne out statistically. Just as a child who is found murdered in their own home most likely has been victimized by a family member or care giver. The same goes for children who undergo SA.

Guilty persons often offer to help LE solve the crimes for which they are guilty.
 
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UKGuy,

JR is calling for the case to be moved from Boulder and the dna retested in JB murder.

I believe Beckner was in charge. I wonder why the FBI existed to the left so quickly. Seems from recall they knew what happened. They could have been responsible for the eradication of the phone records.

I was just wondering about BR. If he was overheard talking about how JB was strangled (2 days after the murder); who else has he talked to about what transpired Christmas 1996?

Rain on my Parade,
JR is calling for the case to be moved from Boulder and the dna retested in JB murder.
Lets hope he read my post on this topic so knows there is more to come on the DNA question? Could be he is preparing his defense in advance as he knows what might be buried in the BPD forensic archives?

I believe Beckner was in charge. I wonder why the FBI existed to the left so quickly. Seems from recall they knew what happened.
Yes, the FBI were certain it was an inside job, i.e. there was no Foreign Faction to be found anywhere!

They could have been responsible for the eradication of the phone records.
Phone records are only removed locally they reside in a national archive which is never deleted. It's the same story with your Internet Records, all transactions held by your Internet Telco desist when it goes out of business or is taken over. But your Internet Records are stored nationally for posterity. This allows cross-reference of past communications with no oversight.
The Ramsey phone records are yet another of the unexplained aspects of the case, e.g. where did JR's cell-phone go?

I was just wondering about BR. If he was overheard talking about how JB was strangled (2 days after the murder); who else has he talked to about what transpired Christmas 1996?
I forget what he said, but he should certainly have absolutely no knowledge of JonBenet being strangled.

At the time the Autopsy Report had yet to be published which eventually claimed death by Ligature Asphyxiation and associated Head Trauma.

He has obviously talked with other people about the case, but probably not in detail as he realizes he could implicate himself.

He wants to portray the death of JonBenet as a Pedophile Home Invasion. i.e. somebody from the Pageant Circuit?

Interviewing DS about his conversation with Burke regarding JonBenet's death could be the centerpoint of a JonBenet documentary along with interviews with other participants, and replays of BR's video interviews.

It would mean loadsa $$ for DS. Might be JR has taken care of this angle via LW?

One to watch out for.

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That the person who 'discovers' the body is usually the killer is borne out statistically. Just as a child who is found murdered in their own home most likely has been victimized by a family member or care giver. The same goes for children who undergo SA.

Guilty persons often offer to help LE solve the crimes for which they are guilty.
proust20,
This is usually the case. If JR were JonBenet's killer, how would we explain Patsy's fibers embedded into the knotting of the ligature?

Did Patsy manufacture the ligature, put it in place, but leave it to JR to murder JonBenet by pulling the ligature tight?

The other unknown is if JR moved JonBenet into the wine-cellar after Fleet White looked into the wine-cellar and saw nothing unusual?

I'd love Fleet White to do a sit-down, tell-all interview. I reckon he knows who killed JonBenet.

I have a neat idea of bringing a virtual Columbo back to star in another episode where, as per normal, In the opening scene you see JonBenet being ligature asphyxiated and then placed in the wine-cellar, with the rest of the episode taken up with what really took place?

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  • #545
This post is not particularly relevant. But, given the wide ranging discussion here, some may find it intriguing.

Last evening, I watched "Bunny Lake Is Missing" (1965). The story is about the kidnapping of a four year old girl. When the mother reports that Bunny is gone, after describing what the girl was wearing, she adds "She's blonde."

The guilty person is the mother's adult brother, who has drugged the child and hidden her in the trunk (boot) of his car. The uncle calculated that LE won't think of looking there, and they don't. When the coast seems clear, he removes Bunny to the house, where he lays her out on a table, and prepares to strangle her with his necktie. Of course, this is H'wood, and the mother saves her daughter.


The motive for the abduction is Jealousy. The incestuous feelings which he has for his sister are frustrated by the interfering presence of his little niece. With her out of the way, the previous blissful relationship can be restored.

Impulsive rage and/or SA are the usual putative motives for JonBenet's murder. However, the motive might have been the green-eyed monster, Jealousy. This could be applied to each of the Rs, for different reasons. ("She was always flaunting herself.") For John and Burke, the damage done to Patsy could possibly factor in as an additional benefit. IMO the murder was the culmination of events leading up to Christmas, e.g. the 911 on the 23rd. Issues were long simmering, and finally boiled over. The brutality of the crime indicates an over the top emotional involvement.

It is difficult to offer an innocent explanation of PR's fibers in the ligature. The fibers are another indication that, at least, she did not go to bed. The timeline does not allow for her to undress, retire, redress and then apply the ligature. Doesn't JonBenet need to be already in the basement when asphyxiated? Cutting to the chase, although this is the minority view, I think of the head blow as staging for the strangling. This seems to me an explanation for the dual means of lethality, literally an overkill.

Why didn't the stager(s) take steps to make it appear that there was a break in? The RN proposed a scenario that wasn't reinforced anywhere in the CS with no traces of terrorists.
 
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This post is not particularly relevant. But, given the wide ranging discussion here, some may find it intriguing.

Last evening, I watched "Bunny Lake Is Missing" (1965). The story is about the kidnapping of a four year old girl. When the mother reports that Bunny is gone, after describing what the girl was wearing, she adds "She's blonde."

The guilty person is the mother's adult brother, who has drugged the child and hidden her in the trunk (boot) of his car. The uncle calculated that LE won't think of looking there, and they don't. When the coast seems clear, he removes Bunny to the house, where he lays her out on a table, and prepares to strangle her with his necktie. Of course, this is H'wood, and the mother saves her daughter.


The motive for the abduction is Jealousy. The incestuous feelings which he has for his sister are frustrated by the interfering presence of his little niece. With her out of the way, the previous blissful relationship can be restored.

Impulsive rage and/or SA are the usual putative motives for JonBenet's murder. However, the motive might have been the green-eyed monster, Jealousy. This could be applied to each of the Rs, for different reasons. ("She was always flaunting herself.") For John and Burke, the damage done to Patsy could possibly factor in as an additional benefit. IMO the murder was the culmination of events leading up to Christmas, e.g. the 911 on the 23rd. Issues were long simmering, and finally boiled over. The brutality of the crime indicates an over the top emotional involvement.

It is difficult to offer an innocent explanation of PR's fibers in the ligature. The fibers are another indication that, at least, she did not go to bed. The timeline does not allow for her to undress, retire, redress and then apply the ligature. Doesn't JonBenet need to be already in the basement when asphyxiated? Cutting to the chase, although this is the minority view, I think of the head blow as staging for the strangling. This seems to me an explanation for the dual means of lethality, literally an overkill.

Why didn't the stager(s) take steps to make it appear that there was a break in? The RN proposed a scenario that wasn't reinforced anywhere in the CS with no traces of terrorists or pedophiles.

proust20,

Thank you for this post. One thing, I really question are the fibers found in the jacket PR turned over to police more then a year after the crime. Why did they not take the scarf found on the wet bar? It was red and black. Or did they take it and it is also in the vault? Where are the blue pajamas bottoms? Are they in the vault and awaiting dna testing per recent request?
What do you suppose is the reason behind the most recent plea?
 
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After 25 years, John along with LS, LW, and all of Team R have not produced a shred of evidence that would support their IDI position. Now, somehow all will be revealed by reexamining what has been already reexamined numerous times! GMAB. At this point, DNA is something of a red herring. All that new DNA could accomplish is to add to the list of possible perps. In itself, it proves nothing. Then, how many of the names should be of people still alive?

During the CNN interview after the murder, John was almost conciliatory to the killer(s). He shows more outrage now than when the family was reeling from events back then. Of course, at the time of that sit-down, suspicion was not heavily cast in the direction of the family. In fact, it was that interview which began to cast doubt on the family which has never abated.

JR has no answers to many questions and inconsistencies. Firstly, by what means did the FF arrive at and depart from the R's residence? (Perhaps they left on Burke's bike? LOL) Anyway, this list is lengthy. MSM never asks him; so, he doesn't have to answer. Why not enter the lion's den, and open himself up to a forum such as this. In that way, he'd be able to silence us once and for all. How would he account for PR's fibers? Is the SA a complete fabrication? Will he release his phone and credit card info? That would allay the presumably baseless accusations.

Like us all, JR is aging and conscious of his mortality. If he is as religious as he professes, the afterlife may seem terrifying. He must also worry about BR's ability to continue the deception without his assistance.

To return to my previous post, I hadn't thought before that Patsy did not tell the 911 operator what JonBenet was wearing when she was thought by her mother to have been kidnapped. No name, no description other than "She's blonde."
 
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re: PR didn't have time to get dressed, retire........


How long do you suppose it would take?
 
  • #549
The estimated TOD is 1-2AM. If Patsy undressed before retiring, she'd have to been in bed only for a few hours before putting back on the outfit from the White's party in order for her fibers to become enmeshed in the ligature. These fibers are part of the evidentiary file.
 
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Let's say these "microscopic fibers similar to prs fleece" are indeed from that garment.

Does that really suggest anything?

And, how do we compare and contrast this with the fibers that cannot be (even microscopicly similar) to anything in the Ramsey home?
 
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Let's say these "microscopic fibers similar to prs fleece" are indeed from that garment.

Does that really suggest anything?

And, how do we compare and contrast this with the fibers that cannot be (even microscopicly similar) to anything in the Ramsey home?

Eddie99,
The FBI have a complete archive of fibre samples contributed by the major clothing manufacturers.

So fibers can usually be matched to the manufacturer and from there to wherever any distribution takes place.

So the sweater worn by Patsy can be matched to its maker and contrasted with those that originate elsewhere.

i.e. The shirt JR wore to the White's party was manufactured in Israel using fibers from the middle east, so it can be linked directly to JR and contrasted with any USA made shirts.

Fibers from JR's shirt were found on JonBenet's thighs and gentitals.

So just like Patsy's fibers, how come, what are the parent's fibers doing on JonBenet's body in a location deep in the Ramsey house?

And, how do we compare and contrast this with the fibers that cannot be (even microscopicly similar) to anything in the Ramsey home?
Forensic Analysts use a Spectroscope to check fibers of all sizes, right down to those microscopicly invisible.

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This post is not particularly relevant. But, given the wide ranging discussion here, some may find it intriguing.

Last evening, I watched "Bunny Lake Is Missing" (1965). The story is about the kidnapping of a four year old girl. When the mother reports that Bunny is gone, after describing what the girl was wearing, she adds "She's blonde."

The guilty person is the mother's adult brother, who has drugged the child and hidden her in the trunk (boot) of his car. The uncle calculated that LE won't think of looking there, and they don't. When the coast seems clear, he removes Bunny to the house, where he lays her out on a table, and prepares to strangle her with his necktie. Of course, this is H'wood, and the mother saves her daughter.


The motive for the abduction is Jealousy. The incestuous feelings which he has for his sister are frustrated by the interfering presence of his little niece. With her out of the way, the previous blissful relationship can be restored.

Impulsive rage and/or SA are the usual putative motives for JonBenet's murder. However, the motive might have been the green-eyed monster, Jealousy. This could be applied to each of the Rs, for different reasons. ("She was always flaunting herself.") For John and Burke, the damage done to Patsy could possibly factor in as an additional benefit. IMO the murder was the culmination of events leading up to Christmas, e.g. the 911 on the 23rd. Issues were long simmering, and finally boiled over. The brutality of the crime indicates an over the top emotional involvement.

It is difficult to offer an innocent explanation of PR's fibers in the ligature. The fibers are another indication that, at least, she did not go to bed. The timeline does not allow for her to undress, retire, redress and then apply the ligature. Doesn't JonBenet need to be already in the basement when asphyxiated? Cutting to the chase, although this is the minority view, I think of the head blow as staging for the strangling. This seems to me an explanation for the dual means of lethality, literally an overkill.

Why didn't the stager(s) take steps to make it appear that there was a break in? The RN proposed a scenario that wasn't reinforced anywhere in the CS with no traces of terrorists.

proust20,
Why didn't the stager(s) take steps to make it appear that there was a break in? The RN proposed a scenario that wasn't reinforced anywhere in the CS with no traces of terrorists.
There was a break in, JR just claimed he broke the window, with BR backing him up, is anyone surprised?

JR covers for BR over the window, PR covers for BR over BR's long johns being on JonBenet, what does that add up to?

So the long and short is you have restaged crime-scene situated in the basement which the parents blame on a Foreign Faction who entered the house via the basement window, according to Lou Smit?

The unaswered question is did Burke Ramsey stage JonBenet down in the basement or up in the bedroom?

Obviously the kitchen/breakfast bar played no role in her death as it was all forgotten about, that is until the pineapple in bowl was matched to pineapple in JonBenet's stomach.

So all three Ramsey's messed up their staging routine, leaving enough clues behind to tell us that JonBenet's death had a sexual motive which they attempted to hide from our eyes.

i.e. was JonBenet killed to prevent her telling anyone about being sexually abused, is this why she was offered no medical assistance?

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Eddie99,
The FBI have a complete archive of fibre samples contributed by the major clothing manufacturers.

So fibers can usually be matched to the manufacturer and from there to wherever any distribution takes place.

So the sweater worn by Patsy can be matched to its maker and contrasted with those that originate elsewhere.

i.e. The shirt JR wore to the White's party was manufactured in Israel using fibers from the middle east, so it can be linked directly to JR and contrasted with any USA made shirts.

Fibers from JR's shirt were found on JonBenet's thighs and gentitals.

So just like Patsy's fibers, how come, what are the parent's fibers doing on JonBenet's body in a location deep in the Ramsey house?


Forensic Analysts use a Spectroscope to check fibers of all sizes, right down to those microscopicly invisible.

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UKGuy,

I wonder about those blue fibers!

In regards to Patsy’s jacket:
August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview

MR. KANE: Well, I am telling
16 you, it is -- is it conclusive in the sense
17 that, that there is something unique about it
18 that could only come from a particular item,
19 then the answer is no.
20 Is it that it is identical in all
21 respects to the fibers off of the jacket,
22 then the answer is yes.

And again, perhaps it is speculation but it is a possibility her jacket is right off the rack. I read the jacket as being polyester or something similar?

As for JR fibers: his shirt is more of a specialty coming from Israel. As for evidence of his fibers being there he could have wiped JB at the White’s party. Although that seems a little far fetched considered her original underwear were removed. I do not recall his fibers from his shirt being found on her thighs. Would you remind me, please?
Could those diapers hanging out of the cabinet in the laundry area outside Jonbenet’s bedroom door play into the size 12 bloomies? A diaper and humiliation by being dressed in (6 size‘s to to big) bloomers? What is transference of said Dna going to change anything. Why hasn’t all the dna been already tested and the results shared. I mean there is if the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit. Yet there is that bloody sock found on his bedroom floor?
 
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UKGuy,

I wonder about those blue fibers!

In regards to Patsy’s jacket:
August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview

MR. KANE: Well, I am telling
16 you, it is -- is it conclusive in the sense
17 that, that there is something unique about it
18 that could only come from a particular item,
19 then the answer is no.
20 Is it that it is identical in all
21 respects to the fibers off of the jacket,
22 then the answer is yes.

And again, perhaps it is speculation but it is a possibility her jacket is right off the rack. I read the jacket as being polyester or something similar?

As for JR fibers: his shirt is more of a specialty coming from Israel. As for evidence of his fibers being there he could have wiped JB at the White’s party. Although that seems a little far fetched considered her original underwear were removed. I do not recall his fibers from his shirt being found on her thighs. Would you remind me, please?
Could those diapers hanging out of the cabinet in the laundry area outside Jonbenet’s bedroom door play into the size 12 bloomies? A diaper and humiliation by being dressed in (6 size‘s to to big) bloomers? What is transference of said Dna going to change anything. Why hasn’t all the dna been already tested and the results shared. I mean there is if the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit. Yet there is that bloody sock found on his bedroom floor?

Rain on my Parade,
And again, perhaps it is speculation but it is a possibility her jacket is right off the rack. I read the jacket as being polyester or something similar?
It could be off a rack, from a fashion store, or even tailor made, but the fibers were matched to those embedded into the ligature knotting.

In court a defense could be mounted that someone else wore a similar jacket made from similar materials, but it was not the one worn by Mrs Ramsey.

So the prosecution would bury that claim when summing up, what are the odds, etc?

I do not recall his fibers from his shirt being found on her thighs. Would you remind me, please?
Atlanta 2000 John Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is

22 our belief based on forensic evidence that

23 there are hairs that are associated, that the

24 source is the collared black shirt that you

25 sent us that are found in your daughter's

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1 underpants, and I wondered if you --

2 A. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. I don't believe that.

3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to

4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --

5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to

6 disgrace --

7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I

8 think you are. That's disgusting.

9 MR. WOOD: I think you --

10 MR. LEVIN: I am not.
How disgusting is that fibers from JR's shirt matched those found on JonBenet's underwear and thighs!

If the size-12's are clean on which came first the fibers or the underwear?



Atlanta 2000 John Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Wool shirts, would

14 those normally go out to the cleaners or

15 would it depend? Even now, what is your

16 family practice?

17 A. Well, if it is a dry-cleaning

18 item, we'd normally send it directly to the

19 dry cleaners. Once in a while they get

20 thrown in by mistake, but particularly if it

21 is a shirt.

22 Q. Your dry-cleaning items, would you

23 just throw them down the chute and let Linda

24 sort them out, this is dry-cleaning, this

25 gets washed or would you separate them up

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1 front and keep them in a separate place, if

2 you recall?

3 A. I don't -- I am trying to

4 remember where the laundry chute went to. I

5 mean, it probably -- I wasn't that organized

6 to separate things out like that as a normal

7 course of business.

8 MR. BECKNER: Did you ask what he

9 did on that particular night with the shirt?

10 I missed that.

11 THE WITNESS: Frankly, I don't

12 remember.

13 MR. LEVIN: I thought I had asked

14 you. I wasn't sure if that was clear.

15 THE WITNESS: I mean, typically

16 if it is a wool shirt, something that does

17 require dry-cleaning, I try to get several

18 cycles out of it, but I don't remember.

19 MR. BECKNER: What was your

20 normal routine?

21 THE WITNESS: Well, normally, I

22 would --

23 MR. WOOD: About dry-cleaning?

24 MR. BECKNER: No.

25 THE WITNESS: -- I would hang

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1 onto it. If it was something I wanted to

2 wear again, I'd hang it, I'd try to, I'd

3 usually hang it up. Sometimes I would put

4 it on a chair. But I wasn't religious about

5 that. I would normally try to hang it up.

6 Q. (By Chief Beckner) Let me be

7 more specific. Would you throw your clothes

8 on the floor typically in a pile?

9 A. Well, no, not, not if I was, if

10 I was going to wear it again. If it was

11 headed for the laundry, you know, it could

12 end up on the floor before it ended up in

13 the laundry chute, but if I intend to wear

14 it again, if it was a suit or sweater, or

15 something like that, I normally wouldn't

16 throw it on the floor.

17 MR. WOOD: Have we finished that

18 area of questioning because it seemed like

19 maybe it is a good time to take a short

20 break.

21 MR. LEVIN: I am finished with

22 that area.

23 MR. WOOD: Is that okay for

24 everybody to take a short break?

25 MR. LEVIN: That is good.
Dry cleaning question is just a trick to lock JR into saying his Israeli made shirt would not be in the basement.

Atlanta 2000 Patsy Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
9 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, I

10 have scientific evidence from forensic

11 scientists that say that there's fibers in

12 the paint tray that match your red jacket.

13 I have no evidence from any scientist to

14 suggest that those fibers are from any source

15 other than your red jacket.

Atlanta 2000 Patsy Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is

4 probably fair. Based on the state of the

5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers

6 from her jacket were found in the paint

7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found

8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket

9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the

10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and

11 the question is, can she explain to us how

12 those fibers appeared in those places that

13 are associated with her daughter's death.

14 And I understand you are not going to answer

15 those.

16 MR. WOOD: Right. Not, not

17 without -- I mean, with all due respect,

blah, blah ....
Its an open and shut case on Patsy!

Atlanta 2000 Patsy Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
MR. LEVIN: I understand your

9 position.

10 In addition to those questions,

11 there are some others that I would like you

12 to think about whether or not we can have

13 Mrs. Ramsey perhaps in the future answer. I

14 understand you are advising her not to today,

15 and those are there are black fibers that,

16 according to our testing that was conducted,

17 that match one of the two shirts that was

18 provided to us by the Ramseys, black shirt.

19 Those are located in the

20 underpants of JonBenet Ramsey, were found in

21 her crotch area, and I believe those are two

22 other areas that we have intended to ask

23 Mrs. Ramsey about if she could help us in

24 explaining their presence in those locations.

Atlanta 2000 Patsy Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
Patsy Flings Jeff Merrick Under The Bus
9 CHIEF BECKNER: When Bruce was

10 asking you yesterday about people who were

11 mentioned as possible suspects, Jeff Merrick

12 or his wife was mentioned at one time.

13 THE WITNESS: Right.

14 CHIEF BECKNER: Do you not

15 consider either Jeff or his wife no longer

16 possible suspects?

17 THE WITNESS: Well, early on we

18 provided a list, Boulder police or whomever,

19 said who could -- is there anybody that

20 could be angry with you all or you know had

21 a reason or who had access to the -- I mean

22 because we made lengthy lists of those. And

23 I believe John, you know, mentioned Mr.

24 Merrick among that list because he had been

25 let go from Access.

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1 And I remember very vividly that

2 the day he was going to be asked to let go,

3 I was afraid. Not unlike the postal

4 incidents that happen. I was just afraid

5 for my father and John and -- because you

6 never know what people are going to do when

7 they are asked to leave a company.

8 And subsequent to that, when he

9 was asked to leave, he made some threats to

10 John and I think maybe even to my father.

11 That -- I mean, I am paraphrasing. I don't

12 know exactly. You can ask John, but

13 something like you are going to be sorry. I

14 am going to bring this company to your

15 knees. Just really, you know, ugly.

16 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey,

17 since June of 19

18 MR. WOOD: Let me ask you, I

19 think what you were asking her is anything,

20 have you learned anything that has caused you

21 to have less concern about potentially

22 Merrick.

23 THE WITNESS: No.

24 MR. WOOD: Right now I can tell

25 you, Chief, until you all can tell us

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1 somebody has been cleared, I don't think

2 anybody that has been mentioned has ever, in

3 our mind, been taken off of possibilities.

4 I mean, you all haven't, as I

5 understand, you all haven't officially

6 cleared, I am not even sure beyond Burke,

7 John Andrew and Melinda.

8 I hear rumblings back from the

9 White camp that April of '97 allegedly he

10 was cleared, but as I remember what I

11 learned about it, it looked pretty qualified.

12 THE WITNESS: All right. Because

13 I don't know --

14 MR. WOOD: We are not here to

15 clear anybody. The question for her was

16 about --

17 CHIEF BECKNER: I am asking her

18 what she believes.

19 MR. WOOD: If she's heard anything

20 that's changed her -- any other additional

21 information about Merrick other than what you

22 already had given them earlier.

23 THE WITNESS: No.

24 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Let me follow up

25 on that, Mrs. Ramsey. How were you advised

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1 before he was fired that he was going to be

2 fired? How did you know he was going to be

3 fired?

4 A. I don't remember. I think

5 probably John.

6 Q. John told you?

7 A. Probably. I can't think of where

8 else I would have heard it, but I am not

9 sure.

10 Q. Before he was let go, what was it

11 about him, you said you were fearful that

12 day he was going to be let go, what was it

13 about him that made you fearful that day

14 before he was let go?

15 A. I don't know. I don't know if I

16 can -- I am not sure I understand your

17 question.

18 Q. You said before he was let go,

19 you were fearful that he was going to be let

20 go.

21 THE WITNESS: No, I wasn't

22 fearful he was going to be let go. When I

23 understood that he was going to be fired

24 that day, I was frightened for my husband's

25 safety.

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1 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Because he was

2 going to be fired that day?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Was there anything about Jeff

5 Merrick you knew, violent propensities or

6 anything of that nature, before he was told

7 that he was no longer employed by Access

8 Graphics?

9 A. No.

10 Q. What was it that made you

11 fearful?

12 A. Well, just because of, like, I

13 gave an example of the postal workers. When

14 an employee is fired, you never know how

15 they are going to react to that.

16 Q. Okay. Were there other people

17 that had been fired by Access Graphics that

18 you had the same fear?

19 A. I didn't know. I guess I didn't

20 know many more people. I knew Jeff Merrick.

Could those diapers hanging out of the cabinet in the laundry area outside Jonbenet’s bedroom door play into the size 12 bloomies?
Could do, but nobody has reported any diaper fibers on JonBenet.

Why hasn’t all the dna been already tested and the results shared.
Politics and cover up, this extends to the promise to retest etc. We are still waiting, any investigator can check the CSI and know full well its all smoke and mirrors, but it all sounds fine and dandy.

Yet there is that bloody sock found on his bedroom floor?
Source please.

I cannot see my complete reply here, could be my browser, or the latest update?

Since it matters I'll repost each query as a separate post if this reply is imcomplete.

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Rain on my Parade,
And again, perhaps it is speculation but it is a possibility her jacket is right off the rack. I read the jacket as being polyester or something similar?
It could be off a rack, from a fashion store, or even tailor made, but the fibers were matched to those embedded into the ligature knotting.

In court a defense could be mounted that someone else wore a similar jacket made from similar materials, but it was not the one worn by Mrs Ramsey.

So the prosecution would bury that claim when summing up, what are the odds, etc?
 
  • #557
Rain on my Parade,
Atlanta 2000 Patsy Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
9 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, I

10 have scientific evidence from forensic

11 scientists that say that there's fibers in

12 the paint tray that match your red jacket.

13 I have no evidence from any scientist to

14 suggest that those fibers are from any source

15 other than your red jacket.

.
 
  • #558
That last post looks cut off at line #12, what is going on?
 
  • #559
Ever empty the lint filter on your clothes dryer?

If any of the fiber evidence interests me, it's the ones they can't match to anything in the house.
I seem to recall a beaver hair, or something along those lines.

Or the tape. That's curious to me as well.

Anyway, I really hope this dna is fast tracked.

Lastly, did anyone ever read anything regarding that wierdo John mark Karr (spelling) - I can't across something that states that he was actually connected to this case somehow - BEFORE he confessed. I always figured he did that to get out of Thailand or wherever he got arrested.
 
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It could be off a rack, from a fashion store, or even tailor made, but the fibers were matched to those embedded into the ligature knotting.

In court a defense could be mounted that someone else wore a similar jacket made from similar materials, but it was not the one worn by Mrs Ramsey.

So the prosecution would bury that claim when summing up, what are the odds, etc?

UKGuy,

According to the FBI:
When fibers that match the clothing fibers of the suspect are found on the clothing of a victim, two conclusions may be drawn: The fibers originated from the suspect, or the fibers originated from another fabric source that not only was composed of fibers of the exact type and color, but was also in a position to contribute those fibers through primary or secondary contact. The likelihood of encountering identical fibers from the environment of a homicide victim (i.e., from his or her residence or friends) is extremely remote. How do we know for sure the jacket PR turned over a year and a half later to BPD was the real one she walked out of that house on the day after Christmas 96? Was it the living room blanket or the white one she deposited her fiber evidence on? Probably both.

How disgusting is that fibers from JR's shirt matched those found on JonBenet's underwear and thighs!

If the size-12's are clean on which came first the fibers or the underwear?

Thank you for the following link. I must have overlooked the mention of JR fibers found on JB thighs. Underpants is what I got.
Atlanta 2000 John Ramsey Interview, Excerpt
21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is

22 our belief based on forensic evidence that

23 there are hairs that are associated, that the

24 source is the collared black shirt that you

25 sent us that are found in your daughter's

0058

1 underpants, and I wondered if you --

2 A. . I don't believe that.

3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to

4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --

5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to

6 disgrace --

7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I

8 think you are. That's disgusting.

9 MR. WOOD: I think you --

10 MR. LEVIN: I am not.
To answer the size 12 question previously, who knows? Since JB underpants were 6 times to big for her and the long John’s were what size? JB had been wiped clean by dark blue cotton fibers. They say (never sourced). Truly? It’s like the FBI in this case. Exit to the left. So, who really knows what the fiber evidence, dna, lies in those vaults? Will those doors ever truly be opened? Perhaps Kolar will be free to discuss the blue fibers as well as FW?
 
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