Lisa Irwin missing 3 months now - Poll

[Whisperer]

The clothes are a sticker. Le took the outfit described by DB. Where did they find it? That should be real interesting. More interesting would be if Cadaver dogs hit on it.

We now possible have a baby leaving the house NOT wearing what DB said.

For the intruder theory and eye witness believers, you have somebody who undressed a baby to take her out in the cold and walk around with an almost naked baby in 54 degree weather. That is not somebody that cares about the child. This is a psychotic.

But, according to the mother she has said she is okay and she is out there somewhere. How on earth she could say that is beyond me. That statement requires tight scrutiny. On one hand she is assuring us Lisa is okay and OTOH her lawyer is saying a nut was walking around with a half naked baby in 45 degree weather.

For the logical, it is a conflict and shows she is not telling the truth and she can't possibly believe what she is saying (no one steals a baby to harm them). She can't have it both ways, but her lawyers think she can

 

[Whisperer]

It is a matter of time before she is arrested. How much time is the question?

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Good question. Six months? Maybe a year?

They need to keep Debbie talking in the media, the more she says the more she'll stick her foot in it.

I'm wondering about her certainty that the alcohol and effexor didn't have anything to do with what happened that night.

Either she's in denial about the severity of her drug use (alcohol is a drug) and consequences of drug interactions or she was a lot more sober than she says she was and is using being drunk to cover for her refusal to be more forthcoming with details.

Her being adamant in the Dr Phil interview about not being affected may have been a slip that she was alert and aware of what happened to Lisa that night.

[Paraphrasing]: "Being drunk had nothing to do with Lisa (because I wasn't really drunk)...the anti-anxiety medications didn't make it worse (because I didn't really drink that much)."

 

[Whisperer]

Link in, have to find it. Press officer for LE was asked yesterday if he told Joe T that DB failed a poly.

RESPONSE from LE: Not only did we not tell him she didn't pass, we never confirmed she ever took a poly.

WOWERS! :floorlaugh:

 

[Whisperer]

Lots of rebuttal from the show...all negative so far. Even Dr. Phil has his doubts. It has to pretty darn bad when he has doubt. People who work forensics get a lot of training in picking ques. After all they have to write their observation when you visit with them. It becomes second nature. Dr. Phil was trained in Forensic psychology. I don't think he was buying what she was saying.

 

[Whisperer]

Goodnite everyone! fftobed:

 

[askfornina]

Link in, have to find it. Press officer for LE was asked yesterday if he told Joe T that DB failed a poly.

RESPONSE from LE: Not only did we not tell him she didn't pass, we never confirmed she ever took a poly.

WOWERS! :floorlaugh:

Here is the actual quote.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...parents-lawyer-on-dr-phil-show-no-new-details

Asked if what Tacopina said about the polygraph test is correct, Capt. Steve Young wrote in an email Saturday evening, "She [Deborah] said she failed one [polygraph test.] I've never mentioned/confirmed she even took one."

 

[Donjeta]

Very cryptic.

I don't know why DB would say she failed if she didn't even take one (if you're going to lie it makes no sense to me to make up a lie that is not beneficial to you...) so I'm going to assume she did (I know, never assume...).

The alternatives:
-She passed and they don't want to say so
-She failed and they don't want to say so
-She had inconclusive results and they don't want to say so
-The test was not completed and they don't want to say so

I feel so much better informed now.

 

[cityslick]

Very cryptic.

I don't know why DB would say she failed if she didn't even take one (if you're going to lie it makes no sense to me to make up a lie that is not beneficial to you...) so I'm going to assume she did (I know, never assume...).

The alternatives:
-She passed and they don't want to say so
-She failed and they don't want to say so
-She had inconclusive results and they don't want to say so
-The test was not completed and they don't want to say so

I feel so much better informed now.

I'm confused too as to why they won't even acknowledge that she took one. I thought it was common knowledge (other than from DB) that she did in fact take one. I will say if they didn't give her an LDT, then I don't know what that tells me of how they view DB, at least in the early going.

They need to get rid of JT. All he's doing is making up bold faced lies for them and it's not even necessary lies.

 

[nursebeeme]

To the mods and others... not sure where to post this.

I brought up fence sitters. It is/has been a term used for years. Not an insult, at least not to me. And I in no way meant it as such. We all bring our own points of view, life experience and "hinky detectors".

I will refrain from using the term. And apologize for starting a problem. I truly didn't mean it to be an insult.

(off to see if I have enough clothes packed for the dungeon. )

no worries! we even have the smilie! The problem was with other posters trying to "out" the fence sitters and trying to insinuate how they thought. Any questions please pm a moderator.

 

[In da Middle]

You can go with what Joe T said I'll go with the National Weather Service.

And I will go with this very detailed hourly observation that says it was only 57 as a low! (which, btw, confirms what DeAnn and I have said all along:great Notice at 1am it was still 64 degrees! Not even chilly. People that are getting 45 are looking at the WRONG day. The low on the 3rd was around 45. The problem with that is is it is about 3am on the 3rd. 3am on the 3rd is totally irrelevant to this case.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...nsas+City&req_state=MO&req_statename=Missouri



Farmer's Almanac also agrees. Everything agrees if you simply look at the correct day and time.
http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/MO/Kansas City/2011-10-04

KANSAS CITY DOWNTOWN

Temperature

Minimum Temperature

55.0 °F

Mean Temperature

70.9 °F

Maximum Temperature

87.1 °F

 

[jjenny]

And I will go with this very detailed hourly observation that says it was only 57 as a low! (which, btw, confirms what DeAnn and I have said all along:great Notice at 1am it was still 64 degrees! Not even chilly. People that are getting 45 are looking at the WRONG day. The low on the 3rd was around 45. The problem with that is is it is about 3am on the 3rd. 3am on the 3rd is totally irrelevant to this case.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...nsas+City&req_state=MO&req_statename=Missouri

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Farmer's Almanac also agrees. Everything agrees if you simply look at the correct day and time.
http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/MO/Kansas City/2011-10-04

Yes, they have to be looking at the previous night which was colder. As to why they can't figure that out, I don't know.

 

[vlpate]

And I will go with this very detailed hourly observation that says it was only 57 as a low! (which, btw, confirms what DeAnn and I have said all along:great Notice at 1am it was still 64 degrees! Not even chilly. People that are getting 45 are looking at the WRONG day. The low on the 3rd was around 45. The problem with that is is it is about 3am on the 3rd. 3am on the 3rd is totally irrelevant to this case.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...nsas+City&req_state=MO&req_statename=Missouri

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Farmer's Almanac also agrees. Everything agrees if you simply look at the correct day and time.
http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/MO/Kansas City/2011-10-04

This is getting to the point of being :what: - I posted Farmer's Almanac link last night and DeAnn disagreed that it was correct. Her source says 52 because he broke it all down to the Lister area. Oh well - I thought you once said it was colder, and there were reports of lower temperatures - if anyone knows between the three of us, it would be you since you are in the area.

CNN (I trust this info as far as I could throw NG) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/01/ng.01.html
"Now you see at 4:00 in the morning, this man, Mike Thompson, sees a man walking around in the middle of the night, 45 degrees, holding a baby. Another couple had also seen the man, the mystery man, at 12:15, shortly after midnight."

 

[In da Middle]

This is getting to the point of being :what: - I posted Farmer's Almanac link last night and DeAnn disagreed that it was correct. Her source says 52 because he broke it all down to the Lister area. Oh well - I thought you once said it was colder, and there were reports of lower temperatures - if anyone knows between the three of us, it would be you since you are in the area.

CNN (I trust this info as far as I could throw NG) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/01/ng.01.html
"Now you see at 4:00 in the morning, this man, Mike Thompson, sees a man walking around in the middle of the night, 45 degrees, holding a baby. Another couple had also seen the man, the mystery man, at 12:15, shortly after midnight."

Nope. I have ALWAYS said 45 was wrong. I called it out when MT first stated it was 45 as wrong. THAT is what made me question his story all by itself. A dude on a motorcycle should know the difference between 45 and 60, especially on a rare, beautiful October night. Most of us had our windows open that night. I would not have had if it was going to be that cold.

 

[jjenny]

This is getting to the point of being :what: - I posted Farmer's Almanac link last night and DeAnn disagreed that it was correct. Her source says 52 because he broke it all down to the Lister area. Oh well - I thought you once said it was colder, and there were reports of lower temperatures - if anyone knows between the three of us, it would be you since you are in the area.

CNN (I trust this info as far as I could throw NG) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/01/ng.01.html
"Now you see at 4:00 in the morning, this man, Mike Thompson, sees a man walking around in the middle of the night, 45 degrees, holding a baby. Another couple had also seen the man, the mystery man, at 12:15, shortly after midnight."

CNN says it was 45 degrees because MT is the one who kept saying it was 45 degrees. Now, unless MT carries a thermometer with him I fail to see how he would know that it was 45 degrees.

 

[vlpate]

Yes, they have to be looking at the previous night which was colder. As to why they can't figure that out, I don't know.

Correct me if I am wrong JJenny, because I'm one of those trying to figure this out and am just too dense. The lows on the third would have been by dawn or by midnight, whichever was coldest - help me out here....and the spotting by Lisa and her husband was at 12:15 a.m., correct? So at what time of day on the third was it colder, as you state?

 

[jjenny]

Correct me if I am wrong JJenny, because I'm one of those trying to figure this out and am just too dense. The lows on the third would have been by dawn or by midnight, whichever was coldest - help me out here....and the spotting by Lisa and her husband was at 12:15 a.m., correct? So at what time of day on the third was it colder, as you state?

We shouldn't even look at the third. MT would have seen a man on Oct 4.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Very cryptic.

I don't know why DB would say she failed if she didn't even take one (if you're going to lie it makes no sense to me to make up a lie that is not beneficial to you...) so I'm going to assume she did (I know, never assume...).

The alternatives:
-She passed and they don't want to say so
-She failed and they don't want to say so
-She had inconclusive results and they don't want to say so
-The test was not completed and they don't want to say so

I feel so much better informed now.

OR - She wasn't told whether she passed or failed, but since she knew herself she was guilty, she figured that it had said she was guilty and she also figured that if she said it before LE did, it would put in more reasonable doubt...as it already has.

 

[Whisperer]

She plays the victim. It will always be like that. It is part of her personality disorder.

She was rehearsed and tried to explain she was going to take responsibility and live with her guilt when "She" comes home. It didn't come across as sincere.

 

[Little Ol Me]

To the LDT, I believe that Debbie was lead to believe she had taken one and failed.


Whether it was an actual test, I'm not certain of. I believe that LE could use this as a tool in their investagation. I'm sure that many times it works, in getting the person to give more imformation.